2013-06-04, 14:03 | Link #1861 |
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Finally finished volume 12. Gotta say... I find myself bored with it. Very little feels like it's happened romantically or harem...ly?, considering how many volumes it's been (I know it's only been like 8 months at most in the story by this point, but volume-wise it's been pretty long). Deus ex machina keep happening to grant Issei power-ups, which is fine, but really repetitive.
And maybe I was expecting too much due to Zero no Tsukaima doing it so well, but Issei's "death" really had very little emotion felt from the characters. I think part of the repetitiveness stems from fighting the same enemy for essentially the last 6 or so volumes. The Hero faction was not interesting enough to be the main antagonists for that long. I don't know, maybe I just started to expect too much from the series after how good the first few volumes were. |
2013-06-04, 14:45 | Link #1862 | |
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2013-06-04, 18:50 | Link #1863 |
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Like I said, I was probably expecting more having read Zero no Tsukaima. The emotions in that when a similar thing happens are incredibly palpable, and Louise actually does try to commit suicide. Merely stating their current conditions doesn't do much for emotions. Especially Asia, who had all of one line and very little description of her condition.
I mean, when Asia "died", you could feel Issei's emotion. This time, I really couldn't. |
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2013-06-04, 21:03 | Link #1866 |
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True, I also agree with you. I love this series, but volume 12 felt that it kind of lacked a bit of emotion. It was still a good volume nevertheless since it open new windows for the characters. I felt that Ise should have revive a volume later after 12. Vol 13, to be exact though it was a short story volume now but I felt should have been the continuation. The author thus far only done Kiba's narration a couple of times which I think kind of limited him towards the events to one volume. Now, he done a short story with Rias' narration. It should open new creativity for the author and safe to experiment since it was a short story, hope it translates to the main story. It looked like it will in Gasper chapter, I would be disappointed if the author decided to maintain just Kiba's narration during the whole time on Rias end, she should be the one narrating. Ise will also be on the other end working on the Chaos Brigade. Having the two main protagonist narrating would be very nice.
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2013-06-04, 21:18 | Link #1867 |
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I think the author had no other choice, the girls were out of reality, the narrator described how they felt the girls and said "I feel like or I understand the girls". but I think Rias, Asia and Akeno were the most affected.
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2013-06-04, 21:21 | Link #1868 |
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Well that is seeing it on the outside however. Yes, you could see what the death of Ise will cause for them. Though I think what GDB meant is really insight into the exact thoughts of each girl. Something like a life of a part of which the narration of what is going on is in the girls' point of view. Asia, Rias, Kiba, Azazel, and and obviously Ise are the only ones to have narrated the story.
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2013-06-04, 21:39 | Link #1869 |
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I think the big difference between when Asia "died" and when Ise "died" was The POV we were following of course you would get Ise's emotional state because He was the POV during that time. But with Ise's "death" Kiba is the POV first he is no where as hot blooded as Ise and I believe he might just be a little emotionally dead due to his past and even he is crushed. I think the descriptions convey just how soul crushing the event was to the rest of the group
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2013-06-04, 21:53 | Link #1870 | |
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When Asia died, Ise was mostly affect. The rest of the Gremory group did not have the connection with Asia like Ise did. They felt sad for the doll like fragile blond nun, but for Ise it was like losing a piece of himself, it was already deep in vol 1 the feelings of Ise and Asia. With Ise dying in vol 11, everyone was affected like that. The girls reaction were already displayed, but what I think what most readers would like is the feelings of the girls in their own point of view. Giving one point of view seems a bit well, like a short cut. It is still a good volume, you can't take that away, but I felt if the author included all the females' point of view than it would have been great or perfection. |
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2013-06-04, 21:57 | Link #1871 |
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I think that the principal difference is that when Asia "died", Isse don't know anything about resurrection(I am talking search the soul and create a new body) and also at the begin of the series no one believe in the miracles, for that reason Isse explote fury for be a "Man", and when ise "died" all fell into depression for be "Girls", if we think it, the girls who know Isse "died" just could not bear it.
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2013-06-04, 22:18 | Link #1872 |
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The problem with Issei and Asia is simple when asia first comes into play she's a sister and issei is the only one who cares about her. Yes Vol 6 death of Asia is tough for everyone but that's more because of the way it happened I mean you go save her after all that and she vanishes like that.
Vol 12 was done poorly because first he just vanishes comes back with the pieces but the fact that he comes back and honestly the fact he needed to say Oppai just for them to realize it was him kinda ticked me off personally granted the way he came back was so theatrical it also kinda bored me to tears |
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2013-06-04, 22:52 | Link #1874 |
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The author used Kiba because after Issei he's the only other masculine guy the girls could lean on. He needed to stay strong and help them any way he could, using the point of view of the girls would've just been like this;
Rias= Self loathing mixed with regrets for letting him stay. Crying. Asia= Suicidal thoughts intermingled with pleading to god for help. More Crying. Akeno= Blankness. Maybe a few scenes with Ise. Lotsa Crying. Koneko = I admit would've been an interesting point of view, but nothing after she breaks down. Even more crying. Ravel = Crying. Would any of you really wanna be in the mind of a hysterically grieving girl, not me I've been around women when they're like this not fun or interesting? From a writing standpoint he was the only logical one to have the story follow. Him being a man the same as Issei but being powerless to comfort the girls was what made the story for me, he even states it multiple times, what would Issei do? The futileness of the story is what why I think some people don't like about most of volume 12 which just cinches the fact that Issei IS the teams heart, without him it breaks down. Sure the author isn't perfect and he kinda messed up the Issei return, but all in all the story wasn't bad nor was it outstanding just good. |
2013-06-04, 23:15 | Link #1875 | |
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While, yes, there will be crying but it sure would be nice to know exactly how much Ise meant to these girls. Each of the girls in the harem has a traumatic experience that scarred them, many of whom felt rejected and already lived to the point where after not finding someone of the opposite sex to accept them and not judge them like the rest, they would have just suffered for a long time or the res of their lives. Then Ise pops in, for the girls one thought came into mind "he is a big pervert". After what he did for Rias, it changed into "a big pervert with a huge heart and will do everything in his power to fight no matter what odds". Then each of the girls had a glimpse of hope, thinking this one is different from the rest (we already know by now he is one of a kind). Vol 3 started with Akeno first to take action other than Asia and Rias to try to figure out Ise with *cough cough* sucking of the finger *cough*. After what Ise did for Kiba in the same volume, the thoughts that the girls had before grew stronger then hit the impact of vol 4 and 5 with the girls opening up their greatest fear and struggle to Ise thinking it may go south, instead Ise felt it was nothing much to worry about and accepted them. The thing what they were looking for a long time. It would be nice to read those thoughts of the girls. Despite the anguish, moaning is when some completely opens their heart so it was the best situation to explore the female cast. |
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2013-06-05, 07:44 | Link #1876 |
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At that point it was all anguish none of then were focusing on any of the good he did in the past and pretty much all but Koneko and Ravel were Psychologicaly broken and they weren't much better. I feel the chapter did very well in addressing their feelings. No one was hiding their feelings all there was was pain and an overwhelming sense of hopelessness.
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2013-06-05, 07:57 | Link #1877 |
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Although i do agree , Ise's "death" compared to Asia's "death" , can't be seen the same way , because of the POV of one and the "supposed" death of the other , i still think it was pretty much well done , after reading all the comment above , i think pretty much everybody pointed out what was missing or should have been done , but i think none of them were in a mental state able to be the support role in the volume 12 .. if i was the author Kiba would have come in second to me , first i would see either Azazel , which is the advisor for the Gremory or Sona , someone plus or less related/close to them and what going on in here , sure IF we could dive in the girls mind at this moment i'm sure the emotional impact would be greater but an outcast view still fit too , at least to show how devastated they are as a comparison of how they are usually..
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2013-06-24, 05:29 | Link #1880 |
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Some happy info:
-Volume 16 will be released this year. (So the anime wont slow down the rate LN will be released. Unlike majority of LN that got animated....) -Volume 17 will be Rossweisse volume if everything goes accordingly!! Finally, its my Ross-chan's time to shine!
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