Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu (月が導く異世界道中) [WN]

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Darius Drake

Venus and Aphrodite are the same person, it's just that one's Roman and the other's Greek. I'm not certain on her, because of her marriage to Hephaestus/Vulcan should have made it so that she's less sensitive about physical ugliness. Alternatively, she could have become more sensitive about it, but I doubt it.

I don't recall Aphrodite ever having any creation in her legends. Venus does though with being the Mother of the Roman race. I might just be mistaken about Aphrodite though.

[Gerard07]

Consultation, in the future there will be a Makoto vs Hibiki?

[acefisher]

Here's an interesting thought, what if the goddess is Ishtar/Inanna, a female goddess of love, fertility/procreation, and war in ancient Babylonia/Sumeria(with Sumeria having one of, if not the, oldest written language that we have found, circa 3000 B.C.)? She was originally Inanna, and was the main goddess of Sumeria, and a very powerful(and beautiful) one at that, having the ability to kill even other gods with her death gaze.
Later on the goddess Inanna becomes Ishtar in the transition to ancient Babylonia. She has lost a lot of her power by this point, but still very beautiful, and despite being a goddess, she is considered to be nothing more than a femme fatal, with all of her lovers, even an 'immortal' god, meeting an untimely end. The religion she was a part of was killed/phased out by Christianity in somewhere between the first and fifth century A.D. So that could be the thing that spurs her to go out and find a new planet to be the main/sole goddess of, and try to make a people to worship her.
If we want to go all Campione on this, then she, in both religions, is considered to be represented by the planet Venus in the sky, so you could draw some correlation there too.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by Gerard07

Consultation, in the future there will be a Makoto vs Hibiki?

A practice round meant to boost Hibiki's confidence infront of all of the Lima royals, I think

[Darius Drake]

Originally Posted by Xacual

I don't recall Aphrodite ever having any creation in her legends. Venus does though with being the Mother of the Roman race. I might just be mistaken about Aphrodite though.

Venus is the Roman version of Aphrodite. It's already been shown that Gods and Goddesses can have more than one "personification" or "name" in what's been recently translated. Thus they're the same person, even if their myths have differences.

Originally Posted by Breimn

She was forced to marry him and would have affair with Ares, god of war.
By the way aftef her betrayal was known to all the gods she had kids with every male god.

Your point? She had affairs with more than just Ares, but she was still married to the "Horrifically Ugly" Hephaestus, and in those days not doing the deed in a marriage, especially at the beginning, wouldn't have been a thing that happened. My point is that she's had relationships with people who look far worse than Makato, and her rejection of him due to being "ugly", aka, not beautiful, would be over-the-top considering that.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Gerard07

Consultation, in the future there will be a Makoto vs Hibiki?

Originally Posted by Okashira

A practice round meant to boost Hibiki's confidence infront of all of the Lima royals, I think

the royals was there only because the duel was taking place in the capital, they are complete outside of the reason for the duel; the only ones who have motives and ambitions about the duel is hibiki himself and Mio.
:spoiler:

Spoiler for spoiler about hibiki's x makoto actions,:

since no one likes a wall text i will try to keep it clean and short:
at makoto visits to limia, after many events planned by Mio(holy shit, Mio is a lot smarter than we give credit , she suggests hibiki to truly know makoto before she take any action, so Mio and hibiki does a behind the scenes deal so hibiki must guide makoto to waterfall lair>> after the lair; Ryuka put a lot of miss information in HIbiki's mind>> so Hibiki is having doubts about what to do!,even wanting to go against him ; but Mio comes at crucial time, and really suggest her to know him before she takes any action against him but this time she is really talking about "power level" so Hibiki ask for a practice match against him:
on the practice match: Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger in that match than sofia was before taking in lancer's life energy , at least in the attack category; she complete toys with Makoto's "armor", he is not going serious against her and keep the "armor" in hidden mode with his power, so the armor itself is not in 100% power but just the fact that she can "destroy" it so easy at the fight and multiples time on that, with her new spell/ability; something that sofia could not do , shows a a lot and in the end she even wound his hand a little.
after the fight: Hibiki calls makoto for a very heavy talk; where she puts all the cards in the table, and makoto drop a very good amount of information to her as well and in the end, the mind break that i was waiting to happen to her like i have wrote multiple times before , it does not happen but on the contrary, she have a fucking Epiphany about everything and herself , and resolves to benefits from him the same as any other power on the world and keep doing her plans as well about the war and the future and in the end if the shit hit the fan , she will handle it at that time in the future but not being in hostility/against him ,of course.
So in the end the only one who truly wants to be hostility with makoto is Tomoki, because he still thinks that he is in fact the "Mc" of the story and the world
on a side note, that i would like to comment, Gudos to princess joshua; when hibiki's come to confess that makoto may have done businesses with the devils, and help them as well and because of that he is dangerous ; the princess takes a very forward and rational response to hibiki >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<< this sentence was so good for me, i tried to give a more literal translation about it, but it seems to cool in the novel, this happen before the duel, when she was still thinking of going against him.

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the limia's mini arc was very good; i can not wait for the translation to catch up.

[Prongs]

When will he snu snued the dragon. Or get eaten by the spider..

[Hokoga]

^ Never ............

[Sparteh]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

the royals was there only because the duel was taking place in the capital, they are complete outside of the reason for the duel; the only ones who have motives and ambitions about the duel is hibiki himself and Mio.
:spoiler:

Spoiler for spoiler about hibiki's x makoto actions,:

since no one likes a wall text i will try to keep it clean and short:
at makoto visits to limia, after many events planned by Mio(holy shit, Mio is a lot smarter than we give credit , she suggests hibiki to truly know makoto before she take any action, so Mio and hibiki does a behind the scenes deal so hibiki must guide makoto to waterfall lair>> after the lair; Ryuka put a lot of miss information in HIbiki's mind>> so Hibiki is having doubts about what to do!,even wanting to go against him ; but Mio comes at crucial time, and really suggest her to know him before she takes any action against him but this time she is really talking about "power level" so Hibiki ask for a practice match against him:
on the practice match: Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger in that match than sofia was before taking in lancer's life energy , at least in the attack category; she complete toys with Makoto's "armor", he is not going serious against her and keep the "armor" in hidden mode with his power, so the armor itself is not in 100% power but just the fact that she can "destroy" it so easy at the fight and multiples time on that, with her new spell/ability; something that sofia could not do , shows a a lot and in the end she even wound his hand a little.
after the fight: Hibiki calls makoto for a very heavy talk; where she puts all the cards in the table, and makoto drop a very good amount of information to her as well and in the end, the mind break that i was waiting to happen to her like i have wrote multiple times before , it does not happen but on the contrary, she have a fucking Epiphany about everything and herself , and resolves to benefits from him the same as any other power on the world and keep doing her plans as well about the war and the future and in the end if the shit hit the fan , she will handle it at that time in the future but not being in hostility/against him ,of course.
So in the end the only one who truly wants to be hostility with makoto is Tomoki, because he still thinks that he is in fact the "Mc" of the story and the world
on a side note, that i would like to comment, Gudos to princess joshua; when hibiki's come to confess that makoto may have done businesses with the devils, and help them as well and because of that he is dangerous ; the princess takes a very forward and rational response to hibiki >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<< this sentence was so good for me, i tried to give a more literal translation about it, but it seems to cool in the novel, this happen before the duel, when she was still thinking of going against him.

.
the limia's mini arc was very good; i can not wait for the translation to catch up.

I remember I heard that Mio spoiled her about Makoto being walking nuke, didn't she? Could you tell more about that?

[Trov]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

the royals was there only because the duel was taking place in the capital, they are complete outside of the reason for the duel; the only ones who have motives and ambitions about the duel is hibiki himself and Mio.
:spoiler:

Spoiler for spoiler about hibiki's x makoto actions,:

since no one likes a wall text i will try to keep it clean and short:
at makoto visits to limia, after many events planned by Mio(holy shit, Mio is a lot smarter than we give credit , she suggests hibiki to truly know makoto before she take any action, so Mio and hibiki does a behind the scenes deal so hibiki must guide makoto to waterfall lair>> after the lair; Ryuka put a lot of miss information in HIbiki's mind>> so Hibiki is having doubts about what to do!,even wanting to go against him ; but Mio comes at crucial time, and really suggest her to know him before she takes any action against him but this time she is really talking about "power level" so Hibiki ask for a practice match against him:
on the practice match: Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger in that match than sofia was before taking in lancer's life energy , at least in the attack category; she complete toys with Makoto's "armor", he is not going serious against her and keep the "armor" in hidden mode with his power, so the armor itself is not in 100% power but just the fact that she can "destroy" it so easy at the fight and multiples time on that, with her new spell/ability; something that sofia could not do , shows a a lot and in the end she even wound his hand a little.
after the fight: Hibiki calls makoto for a very heavy talk; where she puts all the cards in the table, and makoto drop a very good amount of information to her as well and in the end, the mind break that i was waiting to happen to her like i have wrote multiple times before , it does not happen but on the contrary, she have a fucking Epiphany about everything and herself , and resolves to benefits from him the same as any other power on the world and keep doing her plans as well about the war and the future and in the end if the shit hit the fan , she will handle it at that time in the future but not being in hostility/against him ,of course.
So in the end the only one who truly wants to be hostility with makoto is Tomoki, because he still thinks that he is in fact the "Mc" of the story and the world
on a side note, that i would like to comment, Gudos to princess joshua; when hibiki's come to confess that makoto may have done businesses with the devils, and help them as well and because of that he is dangerous ; the princess takes a very forward and rational response to hibiki >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<< this sentence was so good for me, i tried to give a more literal translation about it, but it seems to cool in the novel, this happen before the duel, when she was still thinking of going against him.

.
the limia's mini arc was very good; i can not wait for the translation to catch up.

That's not quite right.

Spoiler:

1. Ryuka didn't really put misinformation. He was telling the truth. The issue was he considered Makoto dangerous and wanted Hibiki to help keep him in check some way. But since Makoto is bullshit strong, she must never directly oppose him. To see that for herself he suggested something like a sparring match or so, for 'Fun'. He also gave her a backup plan for if/when Makoto gets out of control. Soemthing that would teleport him back to Earth forcibly, though at the lost of thousands of lives.
2. The match itself, she throws out a few hits and tears his armor away, finally happy that maybe she can land a few hits. But then he just builds it up again and squashes her with it. She tries to tear it off again and again, using her awakened technique to do it and it works but Makoto just builds it up again. She then moves super fast. Which Makoto can't follow. But Makoto finds it's the perfect time to test out something. Basically by firing an arrow, it breaks cause and effect, so it doesn't miss, it hits it's target so long as he has a clear image in his mind. Anyway it hits her right arm, but she puts her sword in her left and breaks his armor, then goes all out with a final attack before he builds it up again. Which he forgets to do because he admiring he style too much. So he just grabs the sword bare handed and diverts to to his side.

At which point he says he gives up because sasuga yuusha. Hibiki calls it a draw though. Though even if she says that, she feels its a complete loss since it's obvious he wasn't even remotely serious(She didn't even realize the arrow hit her, if that had been a hit to the head instead of the arm it would have been game over there) and he was planing on losing from the very start. Which vexes her.

3. You're giving the the prince, or princess too much credit? >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<<
Is wrong I believe. It's more like since the demons are likely to get benefits from him, they have no choice but to do the same, less they fall behind.
In general, they are cautious of him because he's not HYUMAN ONLY.

Regardless, Hibiki and the rest are more along the lines of DON'T INSTIGATE. Though she wants to find something he holds dear. and at the end of their talk she starts to think he may have some sort of safe haven should he wipe the floor with the goddess and it has a negative effect of the world. Connects it with the rumors of a mirage town near Tsuige and decides to check it out.

Originally Posted by Sparteh

I remember I heard that Mio spoiled her about Makoto being walking nuke, didn't she? Could you tell more about that?

Spoiler:

Pretty sure it was more like:
Hibiki: You can't tell me he has all that power yet all he wants to do is be a merchant. He must have some goal.
Mio: You're mistaken, he was always that strong. 2 weeks after you came here he came here. about what 5 days after my fight with your team, I fought with him and he won.
Hibiki: W, With Tomoe right?
Mio: Nope, Tomoe didn't help him. He was strong. the gap between you two is just that big and it's getting bigger.

But yea, Mio is smaaart. She just likes to keep it simple though.

[Windsgrace]

Originally Posted by Breimn

Considering Athena was chosen as one of the gods visiting MC then she may really be Aphrodite.

Doesn't Helen of Troy fit the bill? I still think its her.
Concerned with beauty, self centered, not high tier of a god, constantly causing problems (wars and deaths of those around her) etc. I mean she didn't get the title: Helen the Woman who Sunk Thousands of Ships for nothing.
She also has heavy connections to Athena and Aphrodite.

[Sparteh]

Originally Posted by Trov

That's not quite right.

Spoiler:

1. Ryuka didn't really put misinformation. He was telling the truth. The issue was he considered Makoto dangerous and wanted Hibiki to help keep him in check some way. But since Makoto is bullshit strong, she must never directly oppose him. To see that for herself he suggested something like a sparring match or so, for 'Fun'. He also gave her a backup plan for if/when Makoto gets out of control. Soemthing that would teleport him back to Earth forcibly, though at the lost of thousands of lives.
2. The match itself, she throws out a few hits and tears his armor away, finally happy that maybe she can land a few hits. But then he just builds it up again and squashes her with it. She tries to tear it off again and again, using her awakened technique to do it and it works but Makoto just builds it up again. She then moves super fast. Which Makoto can't follow. But Makoto finds it's the perfect time to test out something. Basically by firing an arrow, it breaks cause and effect, so it doesn't miss, it hits it's target so long as he has a clear image in his mind. Anyway it hits her right arm, but she puts her sword in her left and breaks his armor, then goes all out with a final attack before he builds it up again. Which he forgets to do because he admiring he style too much. So he just grabs the sword bare handed and diverts to to his side.

At which point he says he gives up because sasuga yuusha. Hibiki calls it a draw though. Though even if she says that, she feels its a complete loss since it's obvious he wasn't even remotely serious(She didn't even realize the arrow hit her, if that had been a hit to the head instead of the arm it would have been game over there) and he was planing on losing from the very start. Which vexes her.

3. You're giving the the prince, or princess too much credit? >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<<
Is wrong I believe. It's more like since the demons are likely to get benefits from him, they have no choice but to do the same, less they fall behind.
In general, they are cautious of him because he's not HYUMAN ONLY.

Regardless, Hibiki and the rest are more along the lines of DON'T INSTIGATE. Though she wants to find something he holds dear. and at the end of their talk she starts to think he may have some sort of safe haven should he wipe the floor with the goddess and it has a negative effect of the world. Connects it with the rumors of a mirage town near Tsuige and decides to check it out.

Spoiler:

Pretty sure it was more like:
Hibiki: You can't tell me he has all that power yet all he wants to do is be a merchant. He must have some goal.
Mio: You're mistaken, he was always that strong. 2 weeks after you came here he came here. about what 5 days after my fight with your team, I fought with him and he won.
Hibiki: W, With Tomoe right?
Mio: Nope, Tomoe didn't help him. He was strong. the gap between you two is just that big and it's getting bigger.

But yea, Mio is smaaart. She just likes to keep it simple though.

Which chapter it was?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Windsgrace

Doesn't Helen of Troy fit the bill? I still think its her.
Concerned with beauty, self centered, not high tier of a god, constantly causing problems (wars and deaths of those around her) etc. I mean she didn't get the title: Helen the Woman who Sunk Thousands of Ships for nothing.
She also has heavy connections to Athena and Aphrodite.

Helen is not a goddess but just a beatiful human woman.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Trov

That's not quite right.
[spoiler]1. Ryuka didn't really put misinformation. He was telling the truth. The issue was he considered Makoto dangerous and wanted Hibiki to help keep him in check some way. But since Makoto is bullshit strong, she must never directly oppose him. To see that for herself he suggested something like a sparring match or so, for 'Fun'. He also gave her a backup plan for if/when Makoto gets out of control. Soemthing that would teleport him back to Earth forcibly, though at the lost of thousands of lives.
2. The match itself, she throws out a few hits and tears his armor away, finally happy that maybe she can land a few hits. But then he just builds it up again and squashes her with it. She tries to tear it off again and again, using her awakened technique to do it and it works but Makoto just builds it up again. She then moves super fast. Which Makoto can't follow. But Makoto finds it's the perfect time to test out something. Basically by firing an arrow, it breaks cause and effect, so it doesn't miss, it hits it's target so long as he has a clear image in his mind. Anyway it hits her right arm, but she puts her sword in her left and breaks his armor, then goes all out with a final attack before he builds it up again. Which he forgets to do because he admiring he style too much. So he just grabs the sword bare handed and diverts to to his side.

At which point he says he gives up because sasuga yuusha. Hibiki calls it a draw though. Though even if she says that, she feels its a complete loss since it's obvious he wasn't even remotely serious(She didn't even realize the arrow hit her, if that had been a hit to the head instead of the arm it would have been game over there) and he was planing on losing from the very start. Which vexes her.

i just keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary about all events, because when i gave full summary before, with my English, it seem that for our friends here is fair hard for them to read, but since you said that i was wrong in some of my explanation i will try to write a full summary now, about the events that i commented before.

Spoiler for spoiler about ryuka and the match:

to start ;for me yes; ryuka lied/ gave miss information to her, some of them i will write down here, the rest are just small things that have no importance, like the "trap" demonic book to makoto, since it was "to" makoto not hibiki, i will focus more on her.
he implied to Hibiki that makoto is in fact a genocide, and he would kill everything in the world, so Hibiki ask Ryuka if the Goddess would allow him to do it, but Ryuka answers that even if the Goddess came down to fight him ,would not make any difference because the world would already be gone by that time , and because of that i call it bullshit in his part because he mainly told lies to Hibiki because he himself confirmed to hibiki that when he was in egg form he did not have a complete grasp of everything around him, he only had fragmented information [/B] so not only he assumed that makoto would destroy the world , he was so sure of it : that he proposed to break a deal made by ages ago by the dragons that is do not direct help in the matters of the "hyumans and devils', but if hibiki helped him, he would in fact take his place as her partner , not just giving her his blessing, but partners , just like lancer was doing with sofia and this is so wrong, that is in fact the reason that root send lancer to the white desert, so sand wave can keep him in check when he is reborn.
So by the words of ryuka the only way for them to "protect" the world, is for them to create some type of anchor/limiter with makoto, that would not allow him to kill/destroy everything, in this case is to create some type of connection with him since fighting is out already, for example if Hibiki becomes close to him, she could "ask" him to not kill the hyumans, and so on.

he was so sure that makoto would destroy everything even without having any basis for it , that he even gave the information about recall spell to her, and no! you are wrong about it, ; the recall spell can not forcibly teleport anyone to anywhere, is very clear told that the recall spell not only need to have a confirmation by the one who is being teleported, but it he also must "answer" willing to the teleport, so he can not even be forced to accept it but can be tricked in accepting it , and yes the cost is a thousand hyuman lives, something that hibiki herself do have not even any consideration of using, because even if they can trick makoto to accept the recall, she is afraid of what the firm would do to the world after that.
so, yes makoto have the power to destroy the world, to fight the Goddess, to kill everyone but Ryuka was telling hibiki that he would use that power without doubt and that he would direct that power to the world, and not to the Goddess, something that in the end after makoto and hibiki conversation (will explain later),he dismiss it so she even apologies to ryuka in her mind , because she would not act in the way that Ryuka complete wants, but since the end result would be the "same" she hopes that he can still help/have connection with her.
match: i have not seen anything difference of what i wrote by what have you wrote; you just gave a more complete summary of the match it self.
i simply said that Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger than sofia at that fight because she can in fact destroy the armor multiples times , and yes makoto toyed with her and was not using his full power something that i make sure to mention; i could go on more details of the fight like you did , but like i have wrote; i keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary of the entire fight, mainly about how makoto was in fact testing some new attack with her as well.
but again there is no direct contact of sword > armor>> hand>> is a new medium-distance spell made by hibiki in favor of her "previous defeat" of not being able to destroy the toxic cloud, so she created this new spell with her ability given by that "other god", so she have a good amount of fire power with some type of ranged spell.

Originally Posted by Trov

3. You're giving the the prince, or princess too much credit? >>"if they can have benefits from him, why we should be the Only one left out"<<
Is wrong I believe. It's more like since the demons are likely to get benefits from him, they have no choice but to do the same, less they fall behind.
In general, they are cautious of him because he's not HYUMAN ONLY.

like i wrote, i tried to give a literal translation to it; but for me i believe she deserves the credit i'm giving her, mainly because if you read the entire chapter and know the opinions of her brother and hibiki, not only the princess turned the situation around with "only" one sentence, she destroyed the fears that hibiki had about makoto helping the devils, and the main hostility that was growing in Hibiki because of that.
So not only she knew many inside information about the entire mental situation of hibiki at that time , something that is confirmed by her own monologue and the talk to hibiki, she choice the complete right words to keep hibiki at ease.
mainly she corrected many problems that Hibiki could have cause in the future to the firm, because they have in fact a choice to accept or not makoto's help and this was in fact the reason of the entire "section" of that chapter, they are discussing if they should or not allow makoto to do business with them and that Hibiki was against it in the start of the discussion because she was believing in her mind to be wrong to accept them in the kingdom if he was also doing businesses with the devils.
because she seems to have some type of mistake in which scale makoto's help would come from both sides(in hibiki's mind at the start, she was thinking of makoto as "war lord" gaining profit because of the war); the Princess already had the conclusion that makoto would not help in the war like hibiki was thinking, so she comes to the conclusion(explain-led hibiki to reach the conclusion by herself) with Hibiki and removes her fear to him explaining ; that makoto would never help in the war, but makoto is a gentle guy, and not only the kingdom but devils have vast number of territories and people, so is impossible for them to take care of "everyone", and this is where makoto enters, since he is kind he would help those villages, that are out side of the kingdoms grasp, the same as he will do to the devil, so there is no reason for "only" the devils gain this benefits from him, since he could also help those far away villages from the kingdom too, there is no reason to refuse his help, because like i have wrote before they can in fact do so, and hibiki and the prince (not the princess), was ready to do as well, if the princess (joshua) have not led hibiki to the connection that in reality there is no downside of accepting him, even if he where to help any other power, they should just do the same as them.
she not only choice the right words, she led hibiki by her palm in reaching the conclusion by herself, since she knows Hibiki, and since day One Hibiki is on the "level" of genius character, so i think that i'm giving enough credit to the princess to be able to lead Hibiki like that, even if the there was other person doing the same think to her in the arc as well: Mio for example.
both Mio and the princess, have not "told" hibiki what to do, but gave clues to Hibiki to reach the conclusion that both of them wanted, without she even noticing it; and this is also why i gave gudos to Mio as well, on my previous msg.

Originally Posted by Trov

Regardless, Hibiki and the rest are more along the lines of DON'T INSTIGATE. Though she wants to find something he holds dear. and at the end of their talk she starts to think he may have some sort of safe haven should he wipe the floor with the goddess and it has a negative effect of the world. Connects it with the rumors of a mirage town near Tsuige and decides to check it out.

again: i tried to keep it clean, you are like doing a full summary and saying that i was wrong because of it; but i must say that or you have not complete read the entire arc yet, or you have having some deep misunderstand about Hibikis resolves after the arc,this thing about finding someone he hold dear never come up later on , Ryuka only suggested to Hibiki to become the person itself in their first debate at their lair at the start, but by the end of the arc she already dismiss the idea of it. i will explain below.
but the discussion is a lot more profound than you have point out; and the end result as well because she is not more on the lines of "don't instigate", she just wants Io's head, and after that if she can, she will join sides with him, of course if it becomes possible, because she her self comments that just like her hates IO, many devils must hate her as well, so a complete reconciliation after killing Io would be almost impossible for her: i will explain more in the summary about the discussion

Spoiler for spoiler about makoto x hibiki discussion:

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the discussion already started with hibiki saying that she is against the Goddess as well, but resolves herself to change things slow and with time and before everything settles in place she comments with him ; what is god? by the words of hibiki, is someone who is there but is not with direct contact with the world, so she resolves herself to take control of the situation herself and because of that she want makoto to transport goods for the kingdom and her end game plan after the war is the complete slavery of the entire devil group and change the beliefs of the Goddess with time once the war is over because as slave they can climb the social ladder, even if takes generations for this to happen , something that for her it makes perfectly sense once she takes in consideration, that Limia alone have 50-70 millions hyumans, where the entire devil population have only 1- 1,5millions (by word of makoto), so she believes that this would be the path with less sacrifices,
but makoto call it bullshit that there is no reason for them to suffer, because the main problem is the Goddess, so hibiki resorts saying that he is so crazy right now, even call him racist toward Hyuman, this a very strong scene, because even makoto confirms it, that he can not stop looking at them with disgusting eyes because of what they are doing , so hibiki completes saying that he does not even want to become a king or someone of direct importance with the world , but he want to ascend direct to become god of the world, but makoto of course dismiss it; with so much power, that the legs from hibiki loses strength, and she falls down; at this time when she is "down" she Hibiki have a epiphany about herself once that she takes in consideration her words and makoto power, that she would be fine with the end result from makoto's plan and believe that if makoto in fact becomes "god" of the world, would be many times better than the current Goddess and not only that, with his power he would be able to finally put the entire world at peace, and if anyone disagree with him, he just needed to show his power to them and everyone would shut up, and this would result in a world with fair less sacrifices than her own "plan" but when she is thinking of joining "him" to bring to the Goddess down and everything else she simple can not must the word to say to him and the reason is that she does not want to stop the war anymore, she have rage and anger inside her against the devils already and she does not even know when those feelings started, but now she already have it and this is the reason of why she refuses the "idea" to join makoto and resolves her self to keep going in her own path, at least until IO is killed by her own hands; But then a new problem arises, that is even if she Win against Io, and then Win against the Empire(tomoki), makoto would bring down the Goddess and with this would come chaos to the world, so she tries one more time to ask confirmation that he will truly do that and that he is ready to accept the consequences of the world without Goddess (the chaos that would result) , something that he confirms but then he mentions that it is a fact that the world would come to chaos once the Goddess in down, but is not like he is planning to kill her, and he will at best beat her up to a pulp and given time other gods would come to take her place, so everything they need to do is to take shelter.
something that hibiki ponders , that yes! she already have meet "other" gods before,so she accepts his words that other gods would come to take control of the situation so the only problem is where to take shelter from;
and after a long time thinking, without answering makoto, so makoto resolves to "leave" and let her be; so after long time thinking, she comes to the conclusion, that makoto have in fact a place to take shelter if everything comes to end when he fight the Goddess, the place must be the real base of his firm, and a place where he could freely come and go and without interference from the Goddess, she also have made the connection that the fucking "play" that he and tomoe did in the academy school when limia was being invaded was full of crap and he can still teleport, simple because even after the fact (tomoe's sword destroyed), Makoto never changed the prices/supplies of any goods in any of his stories, so she accepts the reality that he can still teleport and tries to look for clues where his real "base" is , so she makes the connection that the first place where makoto landed is the westland, and the "rumors" about the mirage city in the west land, and she accepts that is makoto "base", and is a place outside of the influence of the goodness because it is in the deeps of the west land (she does not know about asora) , a place that would be safe if everything comes to the worse, so she resolves herself to continuing her plans (slavery-end of the war-tomoki) and in the end when makoto bring down the goodness, she would need to keep their relationship in good state, so she could bring as many people as possible to take shelter with him.

i will come to read it again, after taking a break to correct some grammar mistakes , it took me 1 hours to write, and check some of the facts about the discussion in the novel.

Originally Posted by Sparteh

I remember I heard that Mio spoiled her about Makoto being walking nuke, didn't she? Could you tell more about that?

Before makoto's visit to Limia, Hibiki's party with Lime was doing a few missions in laurel, there Chiya learned a new ability by request of Hibiki, that is the something like "mind Eye", this ability allow the user to see the real form of a person.
then at asora, after Lime made the report to tomoe; tomoe shiki and mio, got together and made multiples assurances against the ability ,so Chiya would not be able to "see" Mio and Makoto in their trip.
before the trip Mio had a very serious discussion with tomoe, about how to handle Hibiki, the discussion was very serious that they are almost going to fight, but in the end they reached the agreement that was to Mio to take Lime with them( well lime is mainly tomoe spy, so it would be like tomoe was there).
Makoto arrives at limia with Lime and MIo; since the previous discussion, Mio simple fakes to accept tomoe's conditions and have made her own moves since the start; the first one was not warn makoto about the Mind Eye's abilities, and allow chiya do not only see her true form, the black spider, but makoto form as as well;
after most of the events of the trip to ryuka's lair , and after Hibiki already knowing that Mio was in fact the spider because chiya told her , Mio and Hibiki have the second talk where: she just confirm it, and explain to her; that makoto fought her 14 days after he had arrived here and fought against her alone ; and Hibiki fought them, almost one month they arrived here, this may seems fuzzy for us reader since the dates may not seems to be right; but Mio explain this as well, saying that it seems that Makoto trip to the end of the world had some type of delay of more than 10 days: so for us reader when reading that monologue at the start; the goodness simple launched "makoto" at the end of the world , but it seems that in reality more than "10" days passed in his "trip" to the end of the world at that time.
this is what i could grasp about the "time frame" explanation from Mio so after that Mio recommends Hibiki to sees makoto power by her self, like i have wrote before and she request a match with him.
on a side note:

Spoiler for lime-makoto- mio figures by Chiya's Mind eye.:

Lime "image" is a large green tree with a blue baby dragon growing; in her base.(forwarding of lime becoming something more to tomoe? maybe receiving her blessing and so on since right now he is mainly tomoe's spy/more trusted servant).
Mio: is a black spider (haha), but the spider have a "collar" and very seductive/sexy face, well at least Chiya comments of it.
Makoto's: is a complete White armor, with a White bow with multiples drawing in one hand, and "three" chains on the other; those chains Leeds to each one of his contracts: since one of the chains is linked to Mio's collar, and once Chiya focused on the armor itself, it seems that there is some cracks happening in the armor, and when she looked at it, she saw "multiples monsters of darkness" inside armor.
mainly for me: the cracking of the armor, is the way of the author to symbolize the current status of the mind of makoto;

[mufarasu]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

i just keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary about all events, because when i gave full summary before, with my English, it seem that for our friends here is fair hard for them to read, but since you said that i was wrong in some of my explanation i will try to write a full summary now, about the events that i commented before.

Spoiler for spoiler about ryuka and the match:

to start ;for me yes; ryuka lied/ gave miss information to her, some of them i will write down here, the rest are just small things that have no importance, like the "trap" demonic book to makoto, since it was "to" makoto not hibiki, i will focus more on her.
he implied to Hibiki that makoto is in fact a genocide, and he would kill everything in the world, so Hibiki ask Ryuka if the goodness would allow him to do it, but Ryuka answers that even if the goodness came down to fight him ,would not make any difference because the world would already be gone by that time , and because of that i call it bullshit in his part because he mainly told lies to Hibiki because he himself confirmed to hibiki that when he was in egg form he did not have a complete grasp of everything around him, he only had fragmented information [/B] so not only he assumed that makoto would destroy the world , he was so sure of it : that he proposed to break a deal made by ages ago by the dragons that is do not direct help in the matters of the "hyumans and devils', but if hibiki helped him, he would in fact take his place as her partner , not just giving her his blessing, but partners , just like lancer was doing with sofia and this is so wrong, that is in fact the reason that root send lancer to the white desert, so sand wave can keep him in check when he is reborn.
So by the words of ryuka the only way for them to "protect" the world, is for them to create some type of anchor/limiter with makoto, that would not allow him to kill/destroy everything, in this case is to create some type of connection with him since fighting is out already, for example if Hibiki becomes close to him, she could "ask" him to not kill the hyumans, and so on.

he was so sure that makoto would destroy everything even without having any basis for it , that he even gave the information about recall spell to her, and no! you are wrong about it, ; the recall spell can not forcibly teleport anyone to anywhere, is very clear told that the recall spell not only need to have a confirmation by the one who is being teleported, but it he also must "answer" willing to the teleport, so he can not even be forced to accept it but can be tricked in accepting it , and yes the cost is a thousand hyuman lives, something that hibiki herself do have not even any consideration of using, because even if they can trick makoto to accept the recall, she is afraid of what the firm would do to the world after that.
so, yes makoto have the power to destroy the world, to fight the goodness, to kill everyone but Ryuka was telling hibiki that he would use that power without doubt and that he would direct that power to the world, and not to the goodness, something that in the end after makoto and hibiki conversation (will explain later),he dismiss it so she even apologies to ryuka in her mind , because she would not act in the way that Ryuka complete wants, but since the end result would be the "same" she hopes that he can still help/have connection with her.
match: i have not seen anything difference of what i wrote by what have you wrote; you just gave a more complete summary of the match it self.
i simply said that Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger than sofia at that fight because she can in fact destroy the armor multiples times , and yes makoto toyed with her and was not using his full power something that i make sure to mention; i could go on more details of the fight like you did , but like i have wrote; i keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary of the entire fight, mainly about how makoto was in fact testing some new attack with her as well.
but again there is no direct contact of sword > armor>> hand>> is a new medium-distance spell made by hibiki in favor of her "previous defeat" of not being able to destroy the toxic cloud, so she created this new spell with her ability given by that "other god", so she have a good amount of fire power with some type of ranged spell.

like i wrote, i tried to give a literal translation to it; but for me i believe she deserves the credit i'm giving her, mainly because if you read the entire chapter and know the opinions of his brother and hibiki, not only the princess turned the situation around with "only" one sentence, she destroyed the fears that hibiki had about makoto helping the devils, and the main hostility that was growing in Hibiki because of that.
So not only she knew many inside information about the entire mental situation of hibiki at that time , something that is confirmed by her own monologue and the talk to hibiki, she choice the complete right words to keep hibiki at ease.
mainly she corrected many problems that Hibiki could have cause in the future to the firm, because they have in fact a choice to accept or not makoto's help and this was in fact the reason of the entire "section" of that chapter, they are discussing if they should or not allow makoto to do business with them and that Hibiki was against it in the start of the discussion because she was believing in her mind to be wrong to accept them in the kingdom if he was also doing businesses with the devils.
because she seems to have some type of mistake in which scale makoto's help would come from both sides(in hibiki's mind at the start, she was thinking of makoto as "war lord" gaining profit because of the war); the Prince already had the conclusion that makoto would not help in the war like hibiki was thinking, so she comes to the conclusion(explain-led hibiki to reach the conclusion by herself) with Hibiki and removes her fear to him explaining : that makoto would never help in the war, but makoto is a gentle guy, and not only the kingdom but devils have vast number of territories and people, so is impossible for them to take care of "everyone", and this is where makoto enters, since he is kind he would help those villages, that are out side of the kingdoms grasp, the same as he will do to the devil, so there is no reason for "only" the devils gain this benefits from him, since he could also help those far away villages from the kingdom too, there is no reason to refuse his help, because like i have wrote before they can in fact do so, and hibiki and the prince (not the princess), was ready to do as well, if the princess (joshua) have not led hibiki to the connection that in reality there is no downside of accepting him, even if he where to help any other power, they should just do the same as them.
she not only choice the right words, she led hibiki by her palm in reaching the conclusion by herself, since she knows Hibiki, and since day One Hibiki is on the "level" of genius character, so i think that i'm giving enough credit to the princess to be able to lead Hibiki like that, even if the there was other person doing the same think to her in the arc as well: Mio for example.
both Mio and the princess, have not "told" hibiki what to do, but gave clues to Hibiki to reach the conclusion that both of them wanted, without she even noticing it; and this is also why i gave gudos to Mio as well, on my previous msg.

again: i tried to keep it clean, you are like doing a full summary and saying that i was wrong because of it; but i must say that or you have not complete read the entire arc yet, or you have having some deep misunderstand about Hibikis resolves after the arc,this thing about finding someone he hold dear never come up later on , Ryuka only suggested to Hibiki to become the person itself in their first debate at their lair at the start, but by the end of the arc she already dismiss the ideia of it. i will explain below.
but the discussion is a lot more profound than you have point out; and the end result as well because she is not more on the lines of "don't instigate", she just wants Io's head, and after that if she can, she will join sides with him, of course if it becomes possible, because she her self comments that just like her hates IO, many devils must hate her as well, so a complete reconciliation after killing Io would be almost impossible for her: i will explain more in the summary about the discussion

Spoiler for spoiler about makoto x hibiki discussion:

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the discussion already started with hibiki saying that she is against the goodness as well, but resolves herself to change things slow and with time and before everything settles in place she comments with him ; what is god? by the words of hibiki, is someone who is there but is not with direct contact with the world, so she resolves herself to take control of the situation herself and because of that she want makotos to transport goods for the kingdom and her end game plan after the war is the complete slavery of the entire devil group and change the beliefs of the goodness with time once the war is over because as slave they can climb the social ladder, even if takes generations for this to happen , something that for her it makes perfectly sense once she takes in consideration, that Limia alone have 50-70 millions hyumans, where the entire devil population have only 1- 1,5millions (by word of makoto), so she believes that this would be the path with less sacrifices,
but makoto call it bullshit that there is no reason for them to suffer, because the main problem is the goodness, so hibiki resorts saying that he is so crazy right now, even call him racist toward Hyuman, this a very strong scene, because even makoto confirms it, that he can not stop looking at them with disgusting eyes because of what they are doing , so hibiki completes saying that he does not even want to become a king or someone of direct importance with the world , but he want to ascend direct to become god of the world, but makoto of course dismiss it; with so much power, that the legs from hibiki loses strength, and she falls down; at this time when she is "down" she Hibiki have a epiphany about herself once that she takes in consideration her words and makoto power, that she would be fine with the end result from makoto's plan and believe that if makoto in fact becomes "god" of the world, would be many times better than the current goodness and not only that, with his power he would be able to finally put the entire world at peace, and if anyone disagree with him, he just needed to show his power to them and everyone would shut up, and this would result in a world with fair less sacrifices than her own "plan" but when she is thinking of joining "him" to bring to the goodness down and everything else she simple can not must the word to say to him and the reason is that she does not want to stop the war anymore, she have rage and anger inside her against the devils already and she does not even know when those feelings started, but now she already have it and this is the reason of why she refuses the "idea" to join makoto and resolves her self to keep going in her own path, at least until IO is killed by her own hands; But then a new problem arises, that is even if she Win against Io, and then Win against the Empire(tomoki), makoto would bring down the goodness and with this would come chaos to the world, so she tries one more time to ask confirmation that he will truly do that and that he is ready to accept the consequences of the world without goodness (the chaos that would result) , something that he confirms but then he mentions that it is a fact that the world would come to chaos once the goodness in down, but is not like he is planning to kill her, and he will at best beat her up to a pulp and giving time other gods would come to take her place, so everything they need to do is to take shelter.
something that hibiki ponders , that yes! she already have meet "other" gods before,so she accepts his words that other gods would come to take control of the situation so the only problem is where to take shelter from;
and after a long time thinking, without answering makoto, so makoto resolves to "leave" and let her be; so after long time thinking, she comes to the conclusion, that makoto have in fact a place to take shelter if everything comes to end when he fight the goodness, the place must be the real base of his firm, and a place where he could freely come and go and without interference from the goodness, she also have made the connection that the fucking "play" that he and tomoe did in the academy school when limia was being invaded was full of crap and he can still teleport, simple because even after the fact (tomoe's sword destroyed), Makoto never changed the prices/supplies of goods in any of his stories, so she accepts the reality that he can still teleport and tries to look for clues where his real "base" is , so she makes the connection that the first place where makoto landed is the westland, and the "rumors" about the mirage city in the west land, and she accepts that is makoto "base", and is a place outside of the influence of the goodness because it is in the deeps of the west land (she does not know about asora) , a place that would be safe if everything comes to the worse, so she resolves herself to continuing her plans (slavery-end of the war-tomoki) and in the end when makoto bring down the goodness, she would need to keep their relationship in good state, so she could bring as many people as possible to take shelter with him.

i will come to read it again, after taking a break to correct some grammar mistakes , it took me 1 hours to write, and check some of the facts about the discussion in the novel.


Before makoto's visit to Limia, Hibiki's party with Lime was doing a few missions in laurel, there Chiya learned a new ability by request of Hibiki, that is the something like "mind Eye", this ability allow the user to see the real form of a person.
then at asora, after Lime made the report to tomoe; tomoe shiki and mio, got together and made multiples assurances against the ability ,so Chiya would not be able to read Mio and Makoto in their trip.
before the trip Mio had a very serious discussion with tomoe, about how to handle Hibiki, the discussion was very serious that they are almost going to fight, but in the end they reached the agreement that was to Mio to take Lime with them( well lime is mainly tomoe spy, so it would be like tomoe was there).
Makoto arrives at limia with Lime and MIo; since the previous discussion, Mio simple fakes to accept tomoe's conditions and have made her own moves since the start; the first one was not warn makoto about the Mind Eye's abilities, and allow chiya do not only see her true form, the black spider but makoto form as as well;
after most of the events of the trip to ryuka's lair , and after Hibiki already knowing that Mio was in fact the spider because chiya told her , Mio and Hibiki have the second talk where: she just confirm it, and explain to her; that makoto fought her 14 days after he had arrived here and fought against her alone ; and Hibiki fought them, almost one month they arrived here, this may seems fuzzy for us reader since the dates may not seems to be right; but Mio explain this as well, saying that it seems that Makoto trip to the end of the world had some type of delay of more than 10 days: so for us reader when reading that monologue at the start; the goodness simple launched "makoto" at the end of the world , but it seems that in reality more than "10" days passed in his "trip" to the end of the world at that time.
this is what i could grasp about the "time frame" explanation from Mio so after that Mio recommends Hibiki to sees makoto power by her self, like i have wrote before and she request a match with him.
on a side note:

Spoiler for lime-makoto- mio figures by Chiya's Mind eye.:

Lime "image" is a large green tree with a blue baby dragon growing; in her base.(forwarding of lime becoming something more to tomoe? maybe receiving her blessing and so on since right now he is mainly tomoe's spy/more trusted servant).
Mio: is a black spider (haha), but the spider have a "collar" and very seductive/sexy face, well at least Chiya comments of it.
Makoto's: is a complete White armor, with a White bow with multiples drawing in one hand, and "three" chains on the other; those chains Leeds to each one of his contracts: since one of the chains is linked to Mio's collar, and once Chiya focused on the armor itself, it seems that there is some cracks happening in the armor, and when she looked at it, she saw "multiples monsters of darkness" inside armor.
mainly for me: the cracking of the armor, is the way of the author to symbolize the current status of the mind of makoto;

Your English is fine except for one one thing.
It's Goddess NOT Goodess. That error really irritates me.

[travelingbum]

with vol 10 being tomorrow..... soon to be 2 months dead with no update.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by mufarasu

Your English is fine except for one one thing.
It's Goddess NOT Goodess. That error really irritates me.

thanks, i will edit it now.
if you find any other, please just mention and i will edit it.

[joako210293]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

i just keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary about all events, because when i gave full summary before, with my English, it seem that for our friends here is fair hard for them to read, but since you said that i was wrong in some of my explanation i will try to write a full summary now, about the events that i commented before.

Spoiler for spoiler about ryuka and the match:

to start ;for me yes; ryuka lied/ gave miss information to her, some of them i will write down here, the rest are just small things that have no importance, like the "trap" demonic book to makoto, since it was "to" makoto not hibiki, i will focus more on her.
he implied to Hibiki that makoto is in fact a genocide, and he would kill everything in the world, so Hibiki ask Ryuka if the Goddess would allow him to do it, but Ryuka answers that even if the Goddess came down to fight him ,would not make any difference because the world would already be gone by that time , and because of that i call it bullshit in his part because he mainly told lies to Hibiki because he himself confirmed to hibiki that when he was in egg form he did not have a complete grasp of everything around him, he only had fragmented information [/B] so not only he assumed that makoto would destroy the world , he was so sure of it : that he proposed to break a deal made by ages ago by the dragons that is do not direct help in the matters of the "hyumans and devils', but if hibiki helped him, he would in fact take his place as her partner , not just giving her his blessing, but partners , just like lancer was doing with sofia and this is so wrong, that is in fact the reason that root send lancer to the white desert, so sand wave can keep him in check when he is reborn.
So by the words of ryuka the only way for them to "protect" the world, is for them to create some type of anchor/limiter with makoto, that would not allow him to kill/destroy everything, in this case is to create some type of connection with him since fighting is out already, for example if Hibiki becomes close to him, she could "ask" him to not kill the hyumans, and so on.

he was so sure that makoto would destroy everything even without having any basis for it , that he even gave the information about recall spell to her, and no! you are wrong about it, ; the recall spell can not forcibly teleport anyone to anywhere, is very clear told that the recall spell not only need to have a confirmation by the one who is being teleported, but it he also must "answer" willing to the teleport, so he can not even be forced to accept it but can be tricked in accepting it , and yes the cost is a thousand hyuman lives, something that hibiki herself do have not even any consideration of using, because even if they can trick makoto to accept the recall, she is afraid of what the firm would do to the world after that.
so, yes makoto have the power to destroy the world, to fight the Goddess, to kill everyone but Ryuka was telling hibiki that he would use that power without doubt and that he would direct that power to the world, and not to the Goddess, something that in the end after makoto and hibiki conversation (will explain later),he dismiss it so she even apologies to ryuka in her mind , because she would not act in the way that Ryuka complete wants, but since the end result would be the "same" she hopes that he can still help/have connection with her.
match: i have not seen anything difference of what i wrote by what have you wrote; you just gave a more complete summary of the match it self.
i simply said that Hibiki seems to be a lot stronger than sofia at that fight because she can in fact destroy the armor multiples times , and yes makoto toyed with her and was not using his full power something that i make sure to mention; i could go on more details of the fight like you did , but like i have wrote; i keep it clean and short, not giving a full summary of the entire fight, mainly about how makoto was in fact testing some new attack with her as well.
but again there is no direct contact of sword > armor>> hand>> is a new medium-distance spell made by hibiki in favor of her "previous defeat" of not being able to destroy the toxic cloud, so she created this new spell with her ability given by that "other god", so she have a good amount of fire power with some type of ranged spell.

like i wrote, i tried to give a literal translation to it; but for me i believe she deserves the credit i'm giving her, mainly because if you read the entire chapter and know the opinions of her brother and hibiki, not only the princess turned the situation around with "only" one sentence, she destroyed the fears that hibiki had about makoto helping the devils, and the main hostility that was growing in Hibiki because of that.
So not only she knew many inside information about the entire mental situation of hibiki at that time , something that is confirmed by her own monologue and the talk to hibiki, she choice the complete right words to keep hibiki at ease.
mainly she corrected many problems that Hibiki could have cause in the future to the firm, because they have in fact a choice to accept or not makoto's help and this was in fact the reason of the entire "section" of that chapter, they are discussing if they should or not allow makoto to do business with them and that Hibiki was against it in the start of the discussion because she was believing in her mind to be wrong to accept them in the kingdom if he was also doing businesses with the devils.
because she seems to have some type of mistake in which scale makoto's help would come from both sides(in hibiki's mind at the start, she was thinking of makoto as "war lord" gaining profit because of the war); the Princess already had the conclusion that makoto would not help in the war like hibiki was thinking, so she comes to the conclusion(explain-led hibiki to reach the conclusion by herself) with Hibiki and removes her fear to him explaining ; that makoto would never help in the war, but makoto is a gentle guy, and not only the kingdom but devils have vast number of territories and people, so is impossible for them to take care of "everyone", and this is where makoto enters, since he is kind he would help those villages, that are out side of the kingdoms grasp, the same as he will do to the devil, so there is no reason for "only" the devils gain this benefits from him, since he could also help those far away villages from the kingdom too, there is no reason to refuse his help, because like i have wrote before they can in fact do so, and hibiki and the prince (not the princess), was ready to do as well, if the princess (joshua) have not led hibiki to the connection that in reality there is no downside of accepting him, even if he where to help any other power, they should just do the same as them.
she not only choice the right words, she led hibiki by her palm in reaching the conclusion by herself, since she knows Hibiki, and since day One Hibiki is on the "level" of genius character, so i think that i'm giving enough credit to the princess to be able to lead Hibiki like that, even if the there was other person doing the same think to her in the arc as well: Mio for example.
both Mio and the princess, have not "told" hibiki what to do, but gave clues to Hibiki to reach the conclusion that both of them wanted, without she even noticing it; and this is also why i gave gudos to Mio as well, on my previous msg.

again: i tried to keep it clean, you are like doing a full summary and saying that i was wrong because of it; but i must say that or you have not complete read the entire arc yet, or you have having some deep misunderstand about Hibikis resolves after the arc,this thing about finding someone he hold dear never come up later on , Ryuka only suggested to Hibiki to become the person itself in their first debate at their lair at the start, but by the end of the arc she already dismiss the idea of it. i will explain below.
but the discussion is a lot more profound than you have point out; and the end result as well because she is not more on the lines of "don't instigate", she just wants Io's head, and after that if she can, she will join sides with him, of course if it becomes possible, because she her self comments that just like her hates IO, many devils must hate her as well, so a complete reconciliation after killing Io would be almost impossible for her: i will explain more in the summary about the discussion

Spoiler for spoiler about makoto x hibiki discussion:

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the discussion already started with hibiki saying that she is against the Goddess as well, but resolves herself to change things slow and with time and before everything settles in place she comments with him ; what is god? by the words of hibiki, is someone who is there but is not with direct contact with the world, so she resolves herself to take control of the situation herself and because of that she want makoto to transport goods for the kingdom and her end game plan after the war is the complete slavery of the entire devil group and change the beliefs of the Goddess with time once the war is over because as slave they can climb the social ladder, even if takes generations for this to happen , something that for her it makes perfectly sense once she takes in consideration, that Limia alone have 50-70 millions hyumans, where the entire devil population have only 1- 1,5millions (by word of makoto), so she believes that this would be the path with less sacrifices,
but makoto call it bullshit that there is no reason for them to suffer, because the main problem is the Goddess, so hibiki resorts saying that he is so crazy right now, even call him racist toward Hyuman, this a very strong scene, because even makoto confirms it, that he can not stop looking at them with disgusting eyes because of what they are doing , so hibiki completes saying that he does not even want to become a king or someone of direct importance with the world , but he want to ascend direct to become god of the world, but makoto of course dismiss it; with so much power, that the legs from hibiki loses strength, and she falls down; at this time when she is "down" she Hibiki have a epiphany about herself once that she takes in consideration her words and makoto power, that she would be fine with the end result from makoto's plan and believe that if makoto in fact becomes "god" of the world, would be many times better than the current Goddess and not only that, with his power he would be able to finally put the entire world at peace, and if anyone disagree with him, he just needed to show his power to them and everyone would shut up, and this would result in a world with fair less sacrifices than her own "plan" but when she is thinking of joining "him" to bring to the Goddess down and everything else she simple can not must the word to say to him and the reason is that she does not want to stop the war anymore, she have rage and anger inside her against the devils already and she does not even know when those feelings started, but now she already have it and this is the reason of why she refuses the "idea" to join makoto and resolves her self to keep going in her own path, at least until IO is killed by her own hands; But then a new problem arises, that is even if she Win against Io, and then Win against the Empire(tomoki), makoto would bring down the Goddess and with this would come chaos to the world, so she tries one more time to ask confirmation that he will truly do that and that he is ready to accept the consequences of the world without Goddess (the chaos that would result) , something that he confirms but then he mentions that it is a fact that the world would come to chaos once the Goddess in down, but is not like he is planning to kill her, and he will at best beat her up to a pulp and given time other gods would come to take her place, so everything they need to do is to take shelter.
something that hibiki ponders , that yes! she already have meet "other" gods before,so she accepts his words that other gods would come to take control of the situation so the only problem is where to take shelter from;
and after a long time thinking, without answering makoto, so makoto resolves to "leave" and let her be; so after long time thinking, she comes to the conclusion, that makoto have in fact a place to take shelter if everything comes to end when he fight the Goddess, the place must be the real base of his firm, and a place where he could freely come and go and without interference from the Goddess, she also have made the connection that the fucking "play" that he and tomoe did in the academy school when limia was being invaded was full of crap and he can still teleport, simple because even after the fact (tomoe's sword destroyed), Makoto never changed the prices/supplies of any goods in any of his stories, so she accepts the reality that he can still teleport and tries to look for clues where his real "base" is , so she makes the connection that the first place where makoto landed is the westland, and the "rumors" about the mirage city in the west land, and she accepts that is makoto "base", and is a place outside of the influence of the goodness because it is in the deeps of the west land (she does not know about asora) , a place that would be safe if everything comes to the worse, so she resolves herself to continuing her plans (slavery-end of the war-tomoki) and in the end when makoto bring down the goodness, she would need to keep their relationship in good state, so she could bring as many people as possible to take shelter with him.

i will come to read it again, after taking a break to correct some grammar mistakes , it took me 1 hours to write, and check some of the facts about the discussion in the novel.


Before makoto's visit to Limia, Hibiki's party with Lime was doing a few missions in laurel, there Chiya learned a new ability by request of Hibiki, that is the something like "mind Eye", this ability allow the user to see the real form of a person.
then at asora, after Lime made the report to tomoe; tomoe shiki and mio, got together and made multiples assurances against the ability ,so Chiya would not be able to "see" Mio and Makoto in their trip.
before the trip Mio had a very serious discussion with tomoe, about how to handle Hibiki, the discussion was very serious that they are almost going to fight, but in the end they reached the agreement that was to Mio to take Lime with them( well lime is mainly tomoe spy, so it would be like tomoe was there).
Makoto arrives at limia with Lime and MIo; since the previous discussion, Mio simple fakes to accept tomoe's conditions and have made her own moves since the start; the first one was not warn makoto about the Mind Eye's abilities, and allow chiya do not only see her true form, the black spider, but makoto form as as well;
after most of the events of the trip to ryuka's lair , and after Hibiki already knowing that Mio was in fact the spider because chiya told her , Mio and Hibiki have the second talk where: she just confirm it, and explain to her; that makoto fought her 14 days after he had arrived here and fought against her alone ; and Hibiki fought them, almost one month they arrived here, this may seems fuzzy for us reader since the dates may not seems to be right; but Mio explain this as well, saying that it seems that Makoto trip to the end of the world had some type of delay of more than 10 days: so for us reader when reading that monologue at the start; the goodness simple launched "makoto" at the end of the world , but it seems that in reality more than "10" days passed in his "trip" to the end of the world at that time.
this is what i could grasp about the "time frame" explanation from Mio so after that Mio recommends Hibiki to sees makoto power by her self, like i have wrote before and she request a match with him.
on a side note:

Spoiler for lime-makoto- mio figures by Chiya's Mind eye.:

Lime "image" is a large green tree with a blue baby dragon growing; in her base.(forwarding of lime becoming something more to tomoe? maybe receiving her blessing and so on since right now he is mainly tomoe's spy/more trusted servant).
Mio: is a black spider (haha), but the spider have a "collar" and very seductive/sexy face, well at least Chiya comments of it.
Makoto's: is a complete White armor, with a White bow with multiples drawing in one hand, and "three" chains on the other; those chains Leeds to each one of his contracts: since one of the chains is linked to Mio's collar, and once Chiya focused on the armor itself, it seems that there is some cracks happening in the armor, and when she looked at it, she saw "multiples monsters of darkness" inside armor.
mainly for me: the cracking of the armor, is the way of the author to symbolize the current status of the mind of makoto;

just to know, its already known what is the wish of lime? in one chapter (when talking with Mondo) he speaks about the wish he want to ask to Makoto, but also it depends on tomoe

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by joako210293

just to know, its already known what is the wish of lime? in one chapter (when talking with Mondo) he speaks about the wish he want to ask to Makoto, but also it depends on tomoe

I think there is a spoiler that said

Spoiler for :

That Lime wants to become a permanent resident of Asora.

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by joako210293

just to know, its already known what is the wish of lime? in one chapter (when talking with Mondo) he speaks about the wish he want to ask to Makoto, but also it depends on tomoe

Originally Posted by Hokoga

I think there is a spoiler that said

Spoiler for :

That Lime wants to become a permanent resident of Asora.

for what i have been reading so far, no, i do not know what his wish is yet,but i have a guess, in mean time i can say that it is in fact that he will not ask for being a permanent resident of asora; because he already is from a long time;
tomoe took him in, after they meet in tsige, and have been training him in asora even before Makoto got to know that he work for them.
later on as well, lime is the doing a very hard work in Asora

Spoiler for very hard work indeed.:

as Gorgon semen supplies; yes Lime have a harem of gorgons in asora. and makoto is even worried that the new race of mermaids will use him as well..

And to end, he is one of the most trusted aides of tomoe, so his Asora's membership card already have been made ages before his talk with Mondo.

Spoiler for guess about his wish::

for me i believe that he want to ask for Tomoe's Dragon blessing, this is something very important for dragons, because not only they can not give it to many people, it also means that they will have a important type of connection with the person , not even saying the power spike that would result for him but since Makoto is the boss, he would need to ask Makoto , not tomoe; because it is how their relationship work.
Facts that supports my guess: first: like i have wrote before, what lime really want is power, i already have wrote about it before, just check some of my previous msg.
second: right now, we have a very good amount of exposure about blessings, the author have not given a direct information about it besides the sand wave blessing , but when he writes about dragons, he always write about the blessing as well, the recent chapters.
third: the most important clue for me, is the foreshadowing about Chiya's Mind eye vision about Lime, that it have "baby" dragon growing in the base of a huge green tree. One extra information: Lime special ability is a buffer type ability, he can boost anyone power for a large amount, but the downside is that he need direct contact with the person he is buffing.