Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[Mughi]

Originally Posted by zalem

...I still don't know if I buy this draped jacket thing as evidence of sex though. *goes back to look at screencap*

Well, I'm really leaning more towards it and am pretty convinced at this point, but we were rickrolled on the Pine Salad reference, so in the end I won't be too shattered if we were RankaRolled on the sex...

Scene of Alto and Sheryl having sex:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xAyN9kNas

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Mughi

Scene of Alto and Sheryl having sex:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xAyN9kNas

Errr, what?

Speaking of which, Leon is now the new president of Frontier. So as I said before, he was obviously the next in line.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Man, gg is pretty late. Want subs now! <stamps feet>

[golthin]

Originally Posted by SymphonicRain

Had anyone ever thought of the possibility that Alto is incapable of making love with Ranka as well without him getting the disease as well?

Sure Ranka is immune to the V-virus, but that doesn't mean Alto isn't.

Ranka doesn't have the Virus! Sheryl's virus allow her to do the same thing Ranka can because it make her communicate with the Vajra. It has never been said that Ranka has the virus, Grace kept it quiet that Sheryl had the virus when sheryl went to the hospital and changed her blood sample. Ranka was examined in the hospital after she was rescued and they couldn't find ANYTHING in her. If it has been said anywhere that she has the virus, please point me to where.

Also Luca is assuming that because sheryl can do the same that Ranka can, that she will also be able to control the Vajra, but remember that you need two components, communication capability
and Recognition. the Vajra doesn't only react to Ranka's voice but also to how she fells as we saw in episode 20.

[glyph]

Originally Posted by zalem

I still don't know if I buy this draped jacket thing as evidence of sex though. *goes back to look at screencap*

Maybe he just needed to go take a crap or something after he put Sheryl to sleep.

Although, if they did actually do it, I supposed it's a tender mercy for Ranka that Sheryl's growing fold comms ability is working in receiver mode only at the moment.

[forgottendiary]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Man, gg is pretty late. Want subs now! <stamps feet>

I know! ~_~ I'm almost close to tears right now.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Tak

Errr, what?

Speaking of which, Leon is now the new president of Frontier. So as I said before, he was obviously the next in line.

- Tak

Actually this resolves for me that Glass was just the president of Frontier not the entire NUN. Heck they had their own senate.

Frankly if I was Wilder I'd send one messenger to the closest colony or fleet (Macross 7?) to spill the beans about Leon's assasination plot and dictatorship.

Then NUNS sends a fleet (Chlore?) with the VFX Ravens in tow to clean Leon's clock.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by golthin

Ranka doesn't have the Virus! Sheryl's virus allow her to do the same thing Ranka can because it make her communicate with the Vajra. It has never been said that Ranka has the virus, Grace kept it quiet that Sheryl had the virus when sheryl went to the hospital and changed her blood sample. Ranka was examined in the hospital after she was rescued and they couldn't find ANYTHING in her. If it has been said anywhere that she has the virus, please point me to where..

That´d be the scene in episode 14, when Ranka was in the Vajra mothership, began to sing Aimo and her belly glowed. They then showed the crystal-bugs inside her belly.

Spoiler for Rankas bugs. Not fleas, no no no... ^^:

In this episode they showed that Sheryl has the exact same type of thingies in her. Ergo sum, Sheryl has what Ranka has, only that Ranka somehow doesn´t get sick of them.

As for why nobody has found out about her having those bugs, I suppose it´s because they are only concentrated in her belly? And normally blood samples aren´t taken from there. ^^

Originally Posted by glyph

Maybe he just needed to go take a crap or something after he put Sheryl to sleep.

Although, if they did actually do it, I supposed it's a tender mercy for Ranka that Sheryl's growing fold comms ability is working in receiver mode only at the moment.

I can imagine the reaction... ^^

[Tak]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

In this episode they showed that Sheryl has the exact same type of thingies in her. Ergo sum, Sheryl has what Ranka has, only that Ranka somehow doesn´t get sick if them.

I can imagine the reaction... ^^

As for why nobody has found out about her having those bugs, I suppose it´s because they are only concentrated in her belly? And normally blood samples aren´t taken from there. ^^

In this episode, Sheryl was able to express a faint wave of fold disturbance as Ranka because of her infection, not because she had powers like Ranka. However, her power is nowhere near Ranka's and its only possible due to her infection, now at its terminal stages. Its quite obvious at this point that she was indeed the specimen injected by the V-virus to allow the projection of fold waves in order to control the Vajra. Although along the way, her life must be sacrificed before or after the deed is done.

Moreover, Luca and Leon were pretty heartless in revealing that fact, although Sheryl's reaction was, so what? Or its really her way of saying up yours.

- Tak (That, was beautiful)

[golthin]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

That´d be the scene in episode 14, when Ranka was in the Vajra mothership, began to sing Aimo and her belly glowed. They then showed the crystal-bugs inside her belly.

Spoiler for Rankas bugs. Not fleas, no no no... ^^:

In this episode they showed that Sheryl has the exact same type of thingies in her. Ergo sum, Sheryl has what Ranka has, only that Ranka somehow doesn´t get sick of them.

As for why nobody has found out about her having those bugs, I suppose it´s because they are only concentrated in her belly? And normally blood samples aren´t taken from there. ^^



I can imagine the reaction... ^^

Well, in episode 22, sheryl asked Luca if Ranka also has the virus and he said that she doesn't.
So even with the BUGS in her Belly it seems she is not infected by the virus. sheryl's virus is different from Ranka's condition. Watch in episode 22 at 10:10 when sheryl asked If Ranka is also infected with the virus and Luca tells she is not. That Ranka has the bugs inside her is not the same as Sheryl having the virus. I think I have to agree with the theory that some have come about this virus not being transmited from human to human but only from Vajra to human!

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by golthin

Well, in episode 22, sheryl asked Luca if Ranka also has the virus and he said that she doesn't.
So even with the BUGS in her Belly it seems she is not infected by the virus. sheryl's virus is different from Ranka's condition. Watch in episode 22 at 10:10 when sheryl asked If Ranka is also infected with the virus and Luca tells she is not. That Ranka has the bugs inside her is not the same as Sheryl having the virus. I think I have to agree with the theory that some have come about this virus not being transmited from human to human but only from Vajra to human!

Well, if they would have wanted to show the difference between Sheryls condition and Rankas powers, then they wouldn´t have shown us those bugs, which both have in their bodies.

Now, that Sheryls condition is different, because it is a disease and will kill her ( if there should be no saved-by-Ranka ), that is clear.

Ranka, though, still has the bugs inside her, only concentrated in her stomach. It is not a fatal disease for her, but rather the source of her powers.

It still clearly shows that Ranka has a connection to the V-type infection... the question now is why she isn´t affected like Sheryl. Probably though to her being part Vajra or genetically modified, or whatever. We´ll get our answer quite soon.

[CeruleaFeng]

Originally Posted by golthin

I think I have to agree with the theory that some have come about this virus not being transmited from human to human but only from Vajra to human!

But, in episode 18, Klan states that the virus is "transmitted through blood and other bodily fluids". She said nothing about it being exclusively Vajra-Human, so I would guess that it's both equally.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by zalem

Brera is her brother. There is no chance for BreraxRanka. Kawamori isn't the type to go for incest. I can't wait for the next episode because it will once and for all kill this whole BreraxRanka nonsense.

I don't think Sheryl and Alto did anything after that scene. Maybe a kiss. That's it. There is no real evidence that they did anything more. The whole jacket thing is not evidence to me. He could have just felt like taking the damn thing off. Until I am presented with hard evidence (such as dialogue mentioning/alluding to it) then I won't believe it.

No, but there is always a way to have Ranka and Brera together as bro and sis in a place called home for both at the end of the day. I wrote somewhere else that Kawamori pulled Allen (Escaflowne) definitely out of the race for Hitomi's feelings with 3 episodes to go and it coincided with the moment he found his long lost sister who had become a ferocious soldier for the enemy. From that point on, all that mattered for him was to bring his sister back home.

If Ranka finds that Brera IS her long lost brother, the most important for her would be not to lose him again. Anyway, Ranka would give Brera a place called home and make up for all the years which were lost... a good conclusion if you ask me.

[MaiHikari]

Since the subs are not out yet, I'll just post Ozma/Alto conversation here. (Disclaimer: use my translation at your own risk since it's based on what I think I hear).

Spoiler for Ozma/Alto:

Alto: why the hell are you doing this?!
Ozma: you're still the same guy unable to adapt to changing circumstances
Alto: give me a proper answer!
Ozma: everyone must chose a path to walk on. I've chosen to protect the woman I cherish
Alto: to protect?! *angry* That isn't something for an adult to say!
Ozma: Sorry, but I am not an adult. I'm a man! And you, aren't you just suffering from anguish? Think about it, Saotome Alto. It's over *refers to fight as Alto loses* Alto, Ranka has chosen a path for herself, I and have chosen as well. Where are you going?
Alto: damn it!

I actually don't think Alto is on the wrong side. Luca might be misguided in his trust for Leon, and Alto might be blinded by hate. But he'll realize later on how to end this war. And about protecting the woman he loves, Ranka no longer needs his protection because she's got Brera, Ozma, and the whole SMS. So to say he'll defect to protect her is a bit off the mark. The whole Ozma speech is to facilitate a peaceful ending with the Vajra at the end, not directed at the love triangle. Alto, Klan, and Luca stayed back to protect Frontier. Someone's gotta stay for the people of Frontier. Soon, Frontier will head to Vajra land themselves and Alto, Klan, and Luca must determine what's the right path to peace.

The love triangle is a separate matter. Right now, I do not see any romance between Ranka and Alto. While Ranka doesn't want to sing, Alto still asked her to sing for the people. On the other hand, he doesn't want Sheryl to sing because he doesn't want to see her suffer. At the end, he agreed to stay by herside and support her decision to sing. Alto and Sheryl understand each other, support each other, and respect each other for it. Episode 21 shows that the same understanding between him and Ranka does not exist. He doesn't know what she really wanted and she doesn't really understand he couldn't defect to the Vajra when his best friend was just killed by one. Ranka loved a vision of Alto who she thought would always support her, but in the end, neither really understood each other. You can't really love someone you don't understand in the first place.

[justinstrife]

You should post that in random curiosity's blog and direct it at ani_D and others. I'd steal it, but it's not my work, so even if i posted up the author, it still wouldn't be right.

I do agree with you 100% though maihikari. cookies for your well thought out post and your translation.

[KiNA]

Alto stayed because of his word to Sheryl.

KK stayed because her lover just got killed by the one Ozma heading for.

Luca stayed because he cant forgive Ranka as a traitor(to his eyes at least).

Thats what I thought anyway >.<

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by KiNA

Alto stayed because of his word to Sheryl.

KK stayed because her lover just got killed by the one Ozma heading for.

Luca stayed because he cant forgive Ranka as a traitor(to his eyes at least).

Thats what I thought anyway >.<

I had the same thoughts though I'm still not sure about KK.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by MaiHikari

Since the subs are not out yet, I'll just post Ozma/Alto conversation here. (Disclaimer: use my translation at your own risk since it's based on what I think I hear).

Spoiler for Ozma/Alto:

Alto: why the hell are you doing this?!
Ozma: you're still the same hot headed guy
Alto: give me a proper answer!
Ozma: everyone must chose a path to walk on. I've chosen to protect the woman I cherish
Alto: to protect?! *angry* That is something for an adult to say!
Ozma: Sorry, but I am not an adult. I'm a man! And you, aren't you just suffering from anguish? Think about it, Saotome Alto. It's over *refers to fight as Alto loses* Alto, Ranka has chosen a path for herself, I and have chosen as well. Where are you going?
Alto: damn it!

I actually don't think Alto is on the wrong side. Luca might be misguided in his trust for Leon, and Alto might be blinded by hate. But he'll realize later on how to end this war. And about protecting the woman he loves, Ranka no longer needs his protection because she's got Brera, Ozma, and the whole SMS. So to say he'll defect to protect her is a bit off the mark. The whole Ozma speech is to facilitate a peaceful ending with the Vajra at the end, not directed at the love triangle. Alto, Klan, and Luca stayed back to protect Frontier. Someone's gotta stay for the people of Frontier. Soon, Frontier will head to Vajra land themselves and Alto, Klan, and Luca must determine what's the right path to peace.

The love triangle is a separate matter. Right now, I do not see any romance between Ranka and Alto. While Ranka doesn't want to sing, Alto still asked her to sing for the people. On the other hand, he doesn't want Sheryl to sing because he doesn't want to see her suffer. At the end, he agreed to stay by herside and support her decision to sing. Alto and Sheryl understand each other, support each other, and respect each other for it. Episode 21 shows that the same understanding between him and Ranka does not exist. He doesn't know what she really wanted and she doesn't really understand he couldn't defect to the Vajra when his best friend was just killed by one. Ranka loved a vision of Alto who she thought would always support her, but in the end, neither really understood each other. You can't really love someone you don't understand in the first place.

Well, you are not putting in the equation the illness! If Alto had not found out about sheryl;s Illness, I doubt he had stayed behind. He still stayed behind knowing what Leon did, from the email he received. If klan had not told him about the disease he will be with the MSM crew. People keep discarding the fact that Alto found about the disease, I wish they had not mentioned it at all and then if he had chosen to stay behind there would be no doubts about his motives for staying behind. it is very insteresting that MaiHikari doesn't mention anything about the illness in the post, because it would make it less valid, selective memory!

By the way, if what happen between Alto and Sheryl would have happened without the illness card, it would be a 100% lock for sheryl.

[indr0008]

still, the promise was real

[golthin]

Originally Posted by indr0008

still, the promise was real

nobody anywhere have said it was not! alto have a high sesne of honor, i guess from his time in theater and the romantism of what honor is. So after he promised to stay with sheryl he couldn't break that promise, though he broke the promise to protect Ranka. so it is possible for him to place priority on his promises.