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View Poll Results: Accel World - Episode 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 8 | 12.90% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 14.52% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 33.87% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 19.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 11.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.23% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 3.23% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.61% | |
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-07-22, 20:44 | Link #122 |
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What confuses me is that so many people say that Haru's writing is inconsistent and unrealistic because he slides back to his former self-loathing in this episode. You all do realize that people do, y'know, regress from time to time? Is Haru's development supposed to be absolutely, 100% linear? I used to have horrible self-esteem, I worked on it and I fixed it; but there were days where I'd have setbacks and slip back into old habits and patterns of thinking. Does that mean I'm unrealistic?
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2012-07-22, 21:23 | Link #123 | |
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I probably should've linked that to my previous post but when I was talking about contrived plot developments, I wasn't talking about Haru's characterisation in any way. I was talking about the numeruous plot holes that occured when Haru confronted Noumi. Like how he simply didn't bother telling Taku about the letter, even when he right next to him. Like how Noumi's blackmailing plan seems so flimsy and forced. Like how Haru just stopped beating up Noumi so he could some fancy finishing he didn't even need to do. His actual characterisation is fine. It's the plot development that it rests on that's the problem.
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2012-07-23, 00:41 | Link #124 | ||
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2012-07-23, 00:45 | Link #125 |
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The thing about all of this though is that he really hasn't regressed. His confidence up to this point was all too artificial. I believe he'll come out much much stronger out of this arc than the previous ones because he has no special ability or kuroyukihime ot rely on anymore.
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2012-07-23, 05:05 | Link #127 | ||
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I meant before he met Noumi but afterwards works just as well. Really, it's not like Noumi can read minds and he has no reason not to tell Taku unless he thinks Taku is too stupid to keep it a secret.
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Besides Noumi did still talk about Haru still being under his thumb in the real world so no I don't think it's the case at all that Haru thought it was flimsy. I think Haru just attacked Noumi because he was just angry at what he was about to do to Chiyu. I've rewatched the scene and I don't think there's anything to suggest he attacked because he thought the blackmailing was flimsy. If that's what he actually thought then you think he would've said something. Quote:
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2012-07-23, 20:23 | Link #129 | |||
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It isn't very clear to me what you expected Haru to be able to do about the situation with Noumi in real-life up to this point. But that's why Haru thought he could do something about it in the other world. Quote:
I tend to think that all of Haru's actions make sense from an in-character perspective, even if they're not necessarily what we might think we'd do in his situation.
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2012-07-23, 21:29 | Link #130 |
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No Haru seems to have regressed past where he was before.. that is why it does not feel right. When he thought he still could do nothing and found out Taku had possibly planted a back door in Chiyu he was so pissed he would fight and maybe even lose to defend her as best friends/childhood friends that whose relationship is more like a brother and sister.
Problem is here he just stops caring and goes further than he ever was. Sure he maybe depressed but this is like a total reversal of his personality of doing what it takes to defend Chiyu. This is like cutting the root of him sure he was uncaring at times and hurt her feelings but immediately regretted it and fretted on how to apologize but here he doesn't even fret over apologizing and letting her be victimized. That is not his personality and does not fit with his past at all. |
2012-07-23, 22:54 | Link #131 | |
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First, he easily beats up DT - probably because DT doesn't have much real combat experience. However, when DT is almost finished, what does he do? Finish him? No, he needs to stroke his massive ego first and drag him around, while expecting that DT does nothing and wait passively until it's over. DT of course isn't stupid and sees an opening, and gets back at an unsuspecting Silver Crow. Really brought the loss about all by himself, just because stumbled over his massive ego. Had he finished DT right there, none of that would've happened. Even if DT would've fought back at the last moment, evading defeat, if haru had kept fighting, DT would've never been able to come close face-to-face (which seems to be neccessary for his special) to steal his wings. With his wings gone, Haru turns instantly back into the spineless, disgusting wimp he was before, annoying the living daylights out of anyone. Taku hitting him was the best he could do, this helped him pop out of his psychotic condition somewhat and go fight someone - which incidentally is Ash Roller, who all of a sudden is his best friend ever and tries to help him to overcome his Borderline syndrom and makes him meet some master, who will conveniently teach him some super ability with which to compensate the loss of his wings. Whee. Feels awfully constructed there And what did he fight for in the first place? Some pathetic blackmail attempt, that no one with at least a tiny bit of common sense and a little bit of backbone would take for full. Only because Haru has neither, it worked on him.
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2012-07-24, 03:30 | Link #132 | ||||
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Considering how young the characters are, Ash Roller most likely cannot drive a motorcycle in the real world on his own. Considering his looks, I bet his fear is a fear of death, maybe even a fear of riding a bicycle? Sky Raker is probably has leg issues. However, she is also the closest to flying before Silver Crow came. Her special ability must be pretty awesome to overcome all that. Quote:
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It is nice to see that Taku has grown out of this, but they sure like to use him as a background character almost. It would be nice if Taku and Haru can work together and resolve this as a team. Right now, with Haru going solo, it's probably not going to end well. Thank goodness for Ash Roller. As for Chiyu, she still is essentially where she has been the whole series so far. They really have done little to resolve her story so far in the series. Hopefully, there will be a resolution by the time KYH comes back.
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2012-07-24, 04:32 | Link #133 | |||
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But still, there's no reason why he didn't tell Taku about the mail before he went to see Noumi. Quote:
The only reason Haru attacked Noumi in the real world was when Noumi was about to do something horrible to Chiyu. He only attacked Noumi in Accel World when Noumi said "Let's fight" indicating that he actually wanted a proper duel. Quote:
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2012-07-24, 05:07 | Link #134 | ||
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Silver Crow only has melee attacks, even if he hadn't used his wings and finished DT with a simple high jump kick, DT could've still used his tentacle arm to catch him mid-air...and probably use his special move. Sure, this is only a possible outcome, but it could've happened. Not to mention there was also the "plot device" (aka Field Effect) that activated when Silver Crow fell and the skeleton arms grabbed him. Quote:
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2012-07-24, 05:53 | Link #135 |
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Ah I see. I just read the Light Novel counterpart now and there's a few details that were decidedly missing in this episode.
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In an all too frequent conclusion it seems the animators are frequently leaving out important details like this, to the detriment of the storyline. Even so, the reason he thinks Noumi's blackmailing is flimsy is not because it clearly wouldn't work, but because Haru could still hit back with his own blackmail. The truth is that the whole blackmailing nonsense is still pretty contrived. There was also this: Spoiler for Light Novel: Before the encounter with Noumi:
Well I suppose that's partly okay except it still doesn't make sense for him to only leave the reporting until after the meeting. It's still helpful to make sure Taku knows in case something happens. The way he's saying it, it sounds like he sincerely believes nothing will happen which is just ridiculous. And it's also clear from the Light Novel that the only reason he isn't telling Taku about his encounter afterwards is because he doesn't want Taku to find out that he lost his wings. And reading the Novel version of the fight it seems even more clear to me that Haru wasn't battle raged to the point of stupidity. He was very clearly and constantly analysing the situations. It's also clear that he had fully intended to take his remaining HP by dragging him across the field.
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2012-07-24, 08:14 | Link #136 | |||
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2012-07-24, 15:33 | Link #137 | |
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2012-07-24, 16:01 | Link #138 | |
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People in this thread weren't fuming at the Haru's character development. It's the all too convenient plot device to stir the plot which is a bit stretching. Other than some of the most basic human element, we shouldn't be able to relate to Haru. Yeah, at that age most of us are walking/breathing issues, but with the integration of that world with technology along with other social factors which aren't that obvious, we shouldn't be able to guess how it is developing the adolescent mind. Haru's world and circumstances are much different. His age doesn't help the argument much either considering the blackmailer is probably younger than him. For me, all this had to take place because the plot required it. How it came about is what I don't like. And like a lot of people in the thread, understanding where Haru is coming from doesn't help at all at how it was brought about.
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2012-07-24, 19:05 | Link #139 | |
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I think what I disagreed with most strongly was when people called this a "regression", or like his character development was going backwards. I feel pretty strongly that something like this was necessary to bring his character forward. Now, if we want to argue that there would have been other much better ways of accomplishing the same goals that wouldn't have required some random antagonist appearing out of nowhere and being an unjustifiably extreme jerk... well, yeah, I can buy that. There is no doubt at all that Noumi is all measures of annoying, and isn't really a well-written character (at least to this point). But I don't really care about Noumi, personally. I just appreciate the development that Haru is going through and where I think this story will result. So all that to say, I guess different people value different things. I see what people are mad about, but what I liked about the episode was different than what others disliked.
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