2012-05-28, 13:21 | Link #101 | |
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AND your second paragraph WTH?? For all Amata knows is that he isn't fated to be with Mikono and that Kagura is meant to be with Mikono. But he's fighting it because he wants to be with Mikono in the NOW (the present) and not because of some FATE from 12,000 years ago but if Kagura and Amata merge together then it will be a contradiction because they are meant to be together only to be separated again. That was their FATE in SOUSEI NO AQUARION and could possibly be their FATE in Evol...if we go your way Amata is destined to get together with his love but doesn't mean they wont be separated again...So blah! I have watched Sousei No Aquarion and both Celiane/Apollonius and Syliva/Apollo were destined to be together but they were separated in the end that was their FATE. |
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2012-05-28, 13:39 | Link #102 |
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Yes Kagura is a fake, he didn't exist until Mykage pulled him out of Amata. He's literally a clone, a fake of the real thing because he wasn't born of the world but created from being ripped out from another person.
Kagura isn't even his own person, he's just a part of Amata which means that his fate to be with Mikono holds less merit than Amata's BECAUSE he's not the real deal. Apollo didn't reincarnate into Kagura/dark Amata, he reincarnated into Amata. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-05-29 at 01:46. |
2012-05-29, 06:39 | Link #103 |
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If Amata was split into a dark and a light Amata, it doesn't really matter which one of them has the original body and which has the split-off body (that is, if they aren't both split off bodies from the original Amata); that wouldn't make either of them fakes, but just halves of the same whole. Their "fate" should be the same unless it got reshuffled somehow. Which is odd, because the way Kagura was talking, he seemed to have realised what happened but still thought that he was "fated" for Mikono whilst Amata isn't. I suppose we could put it down to Mykage's brainwashing, or perhaps to Kagura believing that Amata is too much of a loser to have any claim on fate.
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2012-05-30, 05:08 | Link #105 |
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The last 2 episodes really gives him a creepy side in regard of his relationship with Mikono.
It's a 2 edged sword, on one hand it makes him more interesting, on the other hand it's not going to contribute to render him or the pursuing of love more sympathetic. And the Zessica ! You alive !! Extremelly hillarious but it doesn't make him look like a good friend that's for sure. My biggest disapointment was about his encounter with Kagura. It turned into a Mikono saaaaaaaaaaaaan vs SYLPHIIIIIIIIIIIE contest with poor Mikono as a prize. Lame. Last edited by Zuul; 2012-05-30 at 07:33. |
2012-06-05, 02:55 | Link #106 | |
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Look, the two of them are Amata. Kagura just happened to be found by Mykage and had his memories sealed to change his name. But he's HALF of Amata. Not a fake, not a portion. He's Amata. Is the concept of yin and yang that difficult to grasp? No half is 'more' than the other. Same goes to Kagura.
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2012-06-05, 10:58 | Link #107 | |
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It is the portions of original Amata, neither less than the other, fighting one another over something that was "destined" to be theirs. Kagura is fighting for it because its the only thing he knows or even has as his identity, the same can be said, to a degree, for Amata but we need to wait and see if Detachment Wings pop back up in the story or if we're stuck with Wings of Glory which lost to Kagura. (I cannot help but think that that was meant to show who's will was stronger, a sort of truth vs. pretty words.)
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2012-06-05, 13:42 | Link #109 |
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Simply because Kagura is a fake. He doesn't even exist on his own right, he was just ripped out of Amata and than given false memories. This isn't like brothers or the such which are born together, Kagura literally didn't exist until Mykage made him exist and with how things are going there's a high chance he will cease to exist again and get put back into Amata.
So yes, Kagura is a fake compared to Amata who is the real deal that has always existed. |
2012-06-05, 21:48 | Link #110 | |
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Woah there. You don't seem to get it, do you? Amata doesn't exist in his own right either. They are both Amata. One is called Kagura for simplicity's sake for the viewers. Both had sealed memories or tweaked on. Not just Kagura. Amata divided in dark and light. The Dark side (which has the 'animalistic' powers of Apollo/Pollon) is called Kagura (by Mykage) but he's really Amata: this side went to Altair. The Light side (which has the flight power) is the Amata side that remained in Vega. If Vega Amata had been renamed Malloy, he would still be a half of complete Amata. They are two equal halves of a complete person.
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2012-06-05, 21:54 | Link #111 |
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Yes Amata does, he's the original body and the one originally bon into this cycle. Kagura is a fake that didn't even have a body or a soul until he was torn out of Amata. That makes him a fake, or the "other".
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2012-06-06, 02:01 | Link #112 | |
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Only Dark Amata and Light Amata. Kagura looks like an Amata with pseudo (but not quite) inverted colors because is the Dark half. They are halves. In fact, they might be their own person now since they grew up different.
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2012-06-06, 02:08 | Link #113 |
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Currently, it seems Amata is becoming more determined to win Mikono disregarding fate or Kagura's awesomeness. It might have been Kagura's saying he'll kill Mikono all night long puts him in desperate way to get Mikono from what he thinks was a complete perverted part of himself.
I'll never loss from that guy. To hell with the fate!!! I love Mikono!!! |
2012-06-06, 04:11 | Link #114 | |
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You do know that Amata went right back to the fate thing in the next episode and it was the thing that made Zessica even easier to take over when she got to Altair. Even before than he was all fine about fate when it was convient to him but when his fake starts spouting that he's more fated for Mikono than him he gets into a penis size contest over who's more fated for Mikono and who has a cuter reason for why they're more fated by fate to be with their fated lover. Than considering that Kagura is the fake and he's the original than there was no need to argue over something that stupid because he's the one originally fated for Mikono, not Kagura.
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2012-06-06, 05:15 | Link #115 | |
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If they merge, then i am sure the new (or rather the original Amata) will have atleast have some traits of both Kagura and "Amata". So in a sense "Amata" will also cease to exist. |
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2012-06-06, 07:38 | Link #116 |
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The current Amata is the original body that was born into this cycle, thus he isn't a fake. He was born into the world while Kagura on the other hand is a fake that was created by taking some of the original by Mykage. By all accounts Kagura shouldn't even exist and without Mykage using his feather powers he wouldn't exist.
And no, the original wont cease to exist because he's the original. He'll just get the leftovers added to the base. |
2012-06-06, 07:45 | Link #117 | |
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If Kagura was not seperated from Amata, there could be a chance that Amata would have developed some traits that Kagura shows. Because those traits possibly came from his previous incarnation Apollo. Let's compare this with an old classic dragonball. Both Piccolo Daimao and "Kami" are halves of the same person, but you can't actually call either of them fake because they both exist as seperated beings. So in short, if you think Kagura is fake then by your reasoning Amata is fake as well. |
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2012-06-06, 07:53 | Link #118 |
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I have no idea why we're even having this discussion.
Amata and Kagura used to be one person but now they're two different people on their own right. There are even actual physical differences between them, and it's not just how Amata looks a sweeter and Kagura a wilder version: Kagura is taller, has a darker skintone (probably not a tan, seeing how most of Altair seems to be underground), has a different hair and eye color, a different voice... And I think neither of them would be happy if anyone tried to re-merge them. |
2012-06-06, 07:57 | Link #119 |
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Incomplete doesn't make him fake, he was the original and is still the original. Kagura is just a by product that has no right to exist but only does because Mykage was a bit too stupid to just kidnap Amata and brainwash him instead of making a fake that was fragmented and broken.
And again no. You're trying to twist what is happening here. Amata was always around, Kagura wasn't. He was created by being ripped out of the original by Mykage. As far as the universe is concerned he isn't real since he wasn't created by the laws of the universe or even a natural reincarnation. Considering that Kagura is the way he is because of brainwashing and harsh upbringing by Mykage there's a zero precent chance of Amata ever developing the traits that Kagura had unless he was influenced by a powerful outside force like Mykage. Thus what made Kagura who he was wasn't a natural flow of things just like his creation wasn't natural because he isn't the real deal and just a fake imitation for Mykage to troll with. |
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You keep insisting that Kagura is a fake or imitation , while he is just a seperation of the real Amata. |
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