Methods and Possibilities for Defeating Accelerator [Speculation]

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

I don't think he has that good control. Fixing LO's brain took all of his calculation power alone, so something like that would probably be beyond him. It would be much simpler to fix the suffocation by controlling the wind to blow the ozone away.

Spoiler for LN Volume 22:

And I definitely doubt that he can regrow body parts... that's Touma's thing

He got sliced off by Aiwass, and was because of his power that his guts didn't spill over the floor but some hours later on Russia he was fine aka he regenerated himself, and those were some serious wounds.

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

And strong enough to throw Hamazura around with one normal arm. But she doesn't stand a chance against Accelerator.

And Kakine.

Originally Posted by leukrota

Let me put one hypothetical situation.

Spoiler for LN:

First assumption: The Sisters have enough control over electromagnetism to create high precision arcs, being capable of releasing several of them at the same time with different characteristics would be preferable, but that shortcoming can be replaced by using several Sisters at the same time.

Second assumption: They somehow manage to understand the intrincancies of Accelerator's reflection (It's not impossible after lots and lots of more fights)

Third assumption: Like Mikoto, they are immune to ligthning.

With this, similar to what Amata did, they could create several lightning arcs that bend back near Accelerator, hoping one of them gets reflected back at him. Maybe even include one straight lightning in case he nullifies completely the reflection.

If they are like Mikoto and are indeed immune to lightning, getting it reflected back at them should be no problem.

Also, lightnings are extremely fast they should be able to try several times before getting attacked by him, and once one connects they can hope to overwhelm him before he recovers and modifies his reflection (thanks to the Network they should know exactly what configuration worked). If he does recover then they can try again, assuming they are not massacred by then.

So I wouldn't say they have no chance to beat him, even if it's extremely slim.

Mikoto would theoretically have the same chance, if she could get a hold of the appropiate information.

Of course, I got no idea what they could possible do against the black wings. So maybe at most they could help him "awaken" but not get him all the way to level 6.

What if all of that only pushes Accelerator to go BW on them .

[LazyHunter]

^Theoretically if those assumptions were possible, yes, but I don't think the Sisters have that kind of power since they prefer to use weapons against him even when they know it's useless (and with more than 10.000 deaths against him they still try it.) Heck 9982 plan was to use a landmine to blow up Accelerator assuming his reflection powers didn't extend to below him. That also shows their lack of knowdlege of him, until 10031 they didn't know his power was manipulating vectors and not Reflect.

Also, even Amata's technique it's freaking hard to do, not even Sugitani, a ninja and master assasin, could replicate it well enough. With the limited power and control of the Sisters I don't think they could do it. Mikoto clearly would have the control to do it right if she learned about this hole in his defense.

(This is all in the assumption that they would be able to pull back the electricity at the last possible moment, I'm don't know if that's possible.)

[hamazura]

Yeah, sisters are idiot, 10031 retry and shocked as fvk when she heard accel power
I think those sisters should access internet, go to animesuki, and then enter this board. Hope that can make her a little smarter

[SilverTalon]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

He can, and it's been done before.

Yeah that was what I was getting at. Its not that he couldn't but that he didn't.

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

Well he can "turn on" other parts sure, we've seen him do that. But we've never seen him able to turn off his basic threat reflection, so I assume he can't. Maybe he can and like Chaos said it just wouldn't matter against Amata, but it seems simpler to just assume he can't.

Back to the topic on hand, I wonder if Accel could fight off telepathy? I'm inclined to think he can since Mikoto can so it's obviously something that can be 'blocked' but does anybody know for sure?

Spoiler for Index 2:

We were shown exactly what would happen if he turned the reflection off because Amata admitted to using his technique still after the reflection was gone due to the battery being dead. Amata would still have pummeled him into the ground, just without the reflection on, his punches aren't as effective. I'd say he likely didn't just turn it off because that could leave him open for something far worse than a punch.

I'd say science side telepathy could be reflected. We saw Misaki's didn't work on Mikoto which to my implies that it has to pass through her EM (or I guess maybe AIM) field and passing through something means a vector.

Originally Posted by leukrota

Let me put one hypothetical situation.

Spoiler for LN:

First assumption: The Sisters have enough control over electromagnetism to create high precision arcs, being capable of releasing several of them at the same time with different characteristics would be preferable, but that shortcoming can be replaced by using several Sisters at the same time.

Second assumption: They somehow manage to understand the intrincancies of Accelerator's reflection (It's not impossible after lots and lots of more fights)

Third assumption: Like Mikoto, they are immune to ligthning.

With this, similar to what Amata did, they could create several lightning arcs that bend back near Accelerator, hoping one of them gets reflected back at him. Maybe even include one straight lightning in case he nullifies completely the reflection.

If they are like Mikoto and are indeed immune to lightning, getting it reflected back at them should be no problem.

Also, lightnings are extremely fast they should be able to try several times before getting attacked by him, and once one connects they can hope to overwhelm him before he recovers and modifies his reflection (thanks to the Network they should know exactly what configuration worked). If he does recover then they can try again, assuming they are not massacred by then.

So I wouldn't say they have no chance to beat him, even if it's extremely slim.

Mikoto would theoretically have the same chance, if she could get a hold of the appropiate information.

Of course, I got no idea what they could possible do against the black wings. So maybe at most they could help him "awaken" but not get him all the way to level 6.

I'm not going to tag this because my response is in railgun S1. You are slightly off about Mikoto (and thus potentially the sisters) being immune to lightning. We saw she is immune to getting shocked (though maybe a shock that surpassed her output could work?). She is unlikely to be immune to lightning due to the heat component. We saw how serious that can be when it basically burned up the AIM Burst.

Also assuming bending electricity was possible, if it got reflected as it curved around him, it still wouldn't hit him. You are basically talking about the electricity going tangent to his reflection, and if you do a 180 on that, it still misses.

Spoiler for Index 2:

Amata's worked because he was pulling away from Accel so doing a 180 smashed his fist into Accel.

[leukrota]

Originally Posted by SilverTalon

Also assuming bending electricity was possible, if it got reflected as it curved around him, it still wouldn't hit him. You are basically talking about the electricity going tangent to his reflection, and if you do a 180 on that, it still misses.

I'm talking about it getting perpendicular to Accelerator after the bend. It's all in the timing of course.

If it's done with a continuous stream of electrons many would be dispersed but some should coincide. Then again, who knows how much damage that could do with the Sister's output, it might be better to try to use short bursts with higher power and hope to get the timing right.

At the least, Mikoto should be able to bend it, since it's also magnetism what she masters. If she couldn't, then she shouldn't be able to make a Railgun either.

Originally Posted by SilverTalon

I'm not going to tag this because my response is in railgun S1. You are slightly off about Mikoto (and thus potentially the sisters) being immune to lightning. We saw she is immune to getting shocked (though maybe a shock that surpassed her output could work?). She is unlikely to be immune to lightning due to the heat component. We saw how serious that can be when it basically burned up the AIM Burst.

Hmm... in that case it should "suffice" to manipulate the returned lightning. Once outside Accelerator's space it's free for her to do so. It's an added complexity, but I'm talking here about potential, not the chances of her/them pulling it off.

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

What if all of that only pushes Accelerator to go BW on them .

Yes, that's a very possible outcome

[Strygwyr]

I got a question, and Im asking seriously.

Can Accelator beat Goku?. Goku is purely physical right? That means that's all vectors that Accelator can manipulate.

I'm asking this question because me and my friend are discussing about this. (Im with Goku).

[demino_hellsin]

Accel can alter the vector of punches but not ki attacks I would think.

[Ihaxlikenoob]

Ki would probably have the same effect on Accelerator as directed magic would, they would be disrupted and destroyed by his field.

Ki is like manifested spirit energy from the body right? DBZ energy attacks have never been really complicated, it's just actualized ki in the form of beams and spheres.

[Rising Dragon]

And Goku goes for physical right from the get-go anyway, so if he's completely unaware of Accelerator's abilities, then he's going to wonder why his arm broke the moment he clocked Accelerator. If it were purely physical, then I don't think Goku would stand a chance.

But Goku could just... I dunno, teleport him into space or blow up the planet.

[SilverTalon]

I would say Accel would lose (though that is assuming you mean Goku at his max and not say DB Goku). My reason is

Spoiler for Light Novel 22 Spoiler:

There does seem to be a max to the amount of power he can reflect. Sweep couldn't be entirely blocked with is powers. The blast only small enough to blow up Eurasia knocked white winged Accel out, but by the end of DBZ they are tossing out attacks probably a thousand times, maybe even a million times, more powerful (considering Roshi in dragon ball blew up the moon). I'm also skeptical that Accel's attacks could harm Goku if you consider that Goku also tanks attacks that far, far exceed what would blow up the planet

[dniv]

Originally Posted by SilverTalon

I would say Accel would lose (though that is assuming you mean Goku at his max and not say DB Goku). My reason is

Spoiler for Light Novel 22 Spoiler:

There does seem to be a max to the amount of power he can reflect. Sweep couldn't be entirely blocked with is powers. The blast only small enough to blow up Eurasia knocked white winged Accel out, but by the end of DBZ they are tossing out attacks probably a thousand times, maybe even a million times, more powerful (considering Roshi in dragon ball blew up the moon). I'm also skeptical that Accel's attacks could harm Goku if you consider that Goku also tanks attacks that far, far exceed what would blow up the planet

This is somewhat trollish... but

Spoiler for Light Novel 22 spoiler and Railgun S episode 13:

Even if what you say happens to be true... ... he only has to touch Goku and take advantage of his good nature and manipulate all of the blood in his body to make him explode like MISAKA 10031... Otherwise... I agree with what you are saying.

What about superman? (also a serious question)

[hamazura]

Accel cant even beat the goddamn doraemon

[Rovert10]

^
Lol okay... then...

Originally Posted by dniv

What about superman? (also a serious question)

Get touched by Superman. GG superman you lose?

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Rovert10

^
Lol okay... then...



Get touched by Superman. GG superman you lose?

Superman is weak against supernatural powers and reflection he loses badly because all of that force is reflected...

Spoiler for Accelerator LN 22, NT 2:

also wings... make it even worse. And superman is weak against magic right?

@Hamazura: MISAKA 10031 has to go to anime-suki forums. You are right!!!

I mean

Spoiler for MMR Railgun 1,2:

Uiharu was able to go on the internet and hear about Railgun being an anime series that was being put on for other people... wait... she was the one who posted that...

MISAKAs, Mikoto should be able to access anime-suki forums. I'm guessing in Raildex: anime-suki forums don't have railgun as an anime.... (interesting)... otherwise she would be able to search herself.... I say this because we do know that anime exists in Raildex and that she does read it so she would know if it were real... This also means anything that has a cross-over with railgun has less material in raildex verse...

but going back on topic...

You all are forgetting something important that I just remembered:

why talk about Accel

Spoiler for LN 13, 14, or 15:

getting wings

when really we know that

Spoiler for LN 13, 14, or 15:

we know that Aleister wanted to end the project before 20,000. We can assume it either would have happened before the end of the project or that it wouldn't have happened then at all yet... Aleister is a kind of glorious bastard (without the major appearances though.... and the likeable personality.... (the trope) he turns every defeat into a +++ and every sucess into a ++ and every major failure into a + ...

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[Yui Is My Wife]

Well, there's always going to a black alley with a HUGE wad of cash, handing it to a gentleman in a trenchcoat with a business card that says "Weyland Yutani", and then you take a glass jar that contains what seems to be two hands joined at the wrist with a snake like tail...

You face the little sociopath, open the jar, and run as you watch the hands within leap at his face and wrap its tail around his skinny little neck.....

24 hours later, Accelerator begins to complain about "chest pains" as he takes Last Order to the local family restaurant..... Well, at least it's a MUCH kinder and gentler way to die than what you did to the poor Misaka Sisters, you sadistic albino bitch.

Good old Weyland Yutani Corporation.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Well, there's always going to a black alley with a HUGE wad of cash, handing it to a gentleman in a trenchcoat with a business card that says "Weyland Yutani", and then you take a glass jar that contains what seems to be two hands joined at the wrist with a snake like tail...

You face the little sociopath, open the jar, and run as you watch the hands within leap at his face and wrap its tail around his skinny little neck.....

24 hours later, Accelerator begins to complain about "chest pains" as he takes Last Order to the local family restaurant..... Well, at least it's a MUCH kinder and gentler way to die than what you did to the poor Misaka Sisters, you sadistic albino bitch.

Good old Weyland Yutani Corporation.

That's a good one.

But actually true... (that it would defeat him)

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Well, there's always going to a black alley with a HUGE wad of cash, handing it to a gentleman in a trenchcoat with a business card that says "Weyland Yutani", and then you take a glass jar that contains what seems to be two hands joined at the wrist with a snake like tail...

You face the little sociopath, open the jar, and run as you watch the hands within leap at his face and wrap its tail around his skinny little neck.....

24 hours later, Accelerator begins to complain about "chest pains" as he takes Last Order to the local family restaurant..... Well, at least it's a MUCH kinder and gentler way to die than what you did to the poor Misaka Sisters, you sadistic albino bitch.

Good old Weyland Yutani Corporation.

The thing would jump back at you the moment it jumps to Accelerator and then by-bye Yui. You will die :S.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

The thing would jump back at you the moment it jumps to Accelerator and then by-bye Yui. You will die :S.

But he has to be aware of an impact to deliberately reflect it dosen't he? And those little buggers are SILENT and VERY good at hiding to get to the right spot to jump.... The SECOND it sends anaesthetics gas straight into his lungs via that tube down his throat, it will be lights out, Sadistic-Perverted-Killer-of-Adorable-Sisters, followed by a short and WELL-deserved ribcage pregnancy that not even HE can do anything about.

Oh, and Yui-chan won't die. Just her husband.

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

But he has to be aware of an impact to deliberately reflect it dosen't he?

No his reflection is automatic.

Unless you mean after he gets the choker but killing him from surprise after that isn't much to brag about really.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Oh, just realized the PERFECT person to kill Accelerator with!

He won't be animated for another month or two, but meet Kujo Jotaro, also known as JoJo the third, from Jojo's Bizzare Adventure.

You see, a "Stand", your super-powered shamanic guardian spirit which is a projection and reflection of your soul, although incorporeal and hence can't be touched by the white-haired little psycho, CAN very much touch and indeed SMASH any physical enemy who has no stand of his own to defend himself.

With the Stand known as Star Platinum projected before him, JoJo can pummel Accelerator with HUNDREDS of steel shattering ghostly-punches a second, NONE of which can be fought back against or even reflected unless cutie-murdering sociopath here learns to be spiritual and gets a Stand of his own.

So-called most powerful, you have once again met your match.