2010-06-18, 14:37 | Link #424 |
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Hey, I thought most people have settled on the Taiwan theory by now? In that case then yes, definitely the river is the Danshui ('Fresh Water') river that was in Qilian (which is around Taipei but back then it was probably an outlying town.)
That river was called 淡水 <-- meaning "flavorless" "water" This is why the epitaph calls it 'Sweetfish' ... which is really the fish called Ayu. 鮎 [あゆ] (n) sweetfish (freshwater trout) I don't know all the places where they live but the river that runs from Gifu up to Shirakawago (the site that Ryukishi picked for Higurashi) definitely had Ayu in them. We had a taste of bbq and sashimi Ayu before. It really is 'sweet', probably because the fish doesn't have a concentration of salt in it like fish from the sea. Anyways, one of the properties of Ayu is that it is silverish in color. I thought this was supposed to be an analogy for the metal that trains were made out of. |
2010-06-18, 16:06 | Link #425 |
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Well Eva solved it by thinking that "the river is not really a river". In other words it's a metaphor. So the conclusion people came to was train tracks. Trains go back and forth just like fish do. That's what the Taiwan and Quilan theory are about.
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2010-06-18, 16:22 | Link #426 |
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Ahh ok. This is the first time I really even thought about the epitath. And the first time I read any post about it. And I thought that maybe the 'sweetfish' was a reference to common people. Since they mentioned that sweetfish was a commoners dish.
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2010-06-20, 15:48 | Link #429 |
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that was me, it's the "kogane theory"
you can find it here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1137
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2010-06-21, 14:58 | Link #430 | |
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I think you're barking up the wrong tree, honestly. "LIG" is pretty clearly referring to Wizard Hunting Wright and his twenty wedges. We already have Knox, so it's totally plausible we'll get Van Dine as well. The TIPS never namedrop something we don't see later. Beato even mentions both of them in Episode 2. "Who was it who said secret passages were forbidden? Knox? Or was it Van Dine...?" (might be a little off, but that's basically the quote) I admire the fact that you made it work that far, though. I'm pretty sold on the Kogane Line theory myself. |
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2010-06-21, 21:48 | Link #431 |
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Didn't Ryukishi tell us to look at the territorial boundaries and occupation of Imperial Japan in 1923 for Kinzo's hometown though? (The year of the Great Kanto Earthquake) I don't think he would tell us to look at that whole boundary if he meant for us to just look inside. And Hokkaido is well within Japan's modern boundary.
I would place greater emphasis on the Taiwan or even the Korea theory though. Besides, Ryukishi said the epitaph was 99% solved awhile ago; I don't think the Kogane theory was ever presented in Japanese.... 8) |
2010-06-22, 14:29 | Link #432 | |
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I'm pretty sure the Kogane theory was presented at some point in Japanese too, basically every thought process presented in the English community has been presented in the Japanese community as well. Though if not the Kogane theory, the Taiwan one is probably it. |
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2010-06-23, 07:32 | Link #433 | ||
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This might be a hint that you need to think about a wider territory, supposing that Ryukishi is expecting people to use their brain and realize that when Kinzo was young yonaguni wasn't the western most tip of Japan at all. Or maybe he teased us again shoving "rebun" in our face, in what was an answer about a question on the epitaph. Quote:
This theory however is a lot less popular and less known than the qilian theory.
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2010-06-28, 05:39 | Link #434 |
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I wonder which theory has solved 99% of the etitaph...
And I wonder what the unsolved 1% is.... Anyway that person who made the theory might not even know it him/herself about being sooo close to solving it |
2010-06-28, 06:16 | Link #435 |
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The 1% was said that you actually have to be on the island to know. I assume this means how it applies to the location of the gold. I think he was vague like Jan-Poo said though. If I remember correctly it sounded more like he presented enough clues up to that point to where you could almost completely solve the epitaph.
However, the Taiwan theory seems pretty solid. |
2010-06-28, 14:06 | Link #437 |
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Copy and paste from the spoiler thread where I examined all the possible combinations to end with "two close" letters and all else separated starting from "quadrillion".
First we need to consider some facts: Either the two who are close are the two "l", or at least three among the "illi" characters must be eliminated. Else there wouldn't be a compulsory couple of two close letters. It could be "_li_" but also "_l_i" or "i_l_". At any rate if the riddle is well made, such an occurrence shouldn't be possible. There is however the special case where both "ll" are eliminated and the "i" are not, however in this case we'd have already 4 automatic exclusions. case one: "ll" are the two who are close (both "i" must be eliminated) q_a_r_ll___ --- udiion _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll_o_ --- qadiin q_a___ll_o_ --- udriin q__d__ll_o_ --- uariin q___r_ll_o_ --- uadiin __a_r_ll_o_ --- qudiin _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll__n --- qadiio q_a___ll__n --- udriio q__d__ll__n --- uariio q___r_ll__n --- uadiio __a_r_ll__n --- qudiio case two: both "i" are are kept ("r", "o" and the two "l" are eliminated) qu___i__i_n --- adrllo qu_d_i__i__ --- arllon _ua__i__i_n --- qdrllo __ad_i__i_n --- qurllo q_ad_i__i__ --- urllon case three: both "i" are are kept and "ri" are the two who are close ("d", "o" and the two "l" are eliminated) q___ri__i_n --- uadllo _u__ri__i_n --- qadllo __a_ri__i_n --- qudllo q_a_ri__i__ --- udllon case four: both "i" are are kept and "io" are the two who are close ("r", "n" and the two "l" are eliminated) q__d_i__io_ --- uarlln that's it.... case five: both "i" and one "l" are eliminated q___r_l__on --- uadili _u__r_l__on --- qadili __a_r_l__on --- qudili <- kogane theory qu__r_l__o_ --- adilin qu_d__l__o_ --- arilin _ua_r_l__o_ --- qdilin q_ad__l__o_ --- urilin q__dr_l__o_ --- uailin _u_dr_l__o_ --- qailin <- qilian theory qu__r_l___n --- adilio qu_d__l___n --- arilio _ua_r_l___n --- qdilio q_ad__l___n --- urilio q__dr_l___n --- uailio _u_dr_l___n --- qailio case six: both "l" and one "i" are eliminated "r" and "o" must be eliminated as well because else you wouldn't have a compulsory couple or you might have two of them. qu_d_i____n --- arllin q_ad_i____n --- urllin case seven: both "i" and "l" are eliminated q_a_r____on --- udilli that's it... I think this should cover them all if "quadrillion" is the starting sentence. tell me if you think I missed something. And now the 41 possible combinations ordered by "couple" qu___i__i_n --- adrllo qu_d_i__i__ --- arllon qu__r_l__o_ --- adilin qu_d__l__o_ --- arilin qu__r_l___n --- adilio qu_d__l___n --- arilio qu_d_i____n --- arllin _ua__i__i_n --- qdrllo _ua_r_l__o_ --- qdilin _ua_r_l___n --- qdilio __ad_i__i_n --- qurllo q_ad_i__i__ --- urllon q_ad__l__o_ --- urilin q_ad__l___n --- urilio q_ad_i____n --- urllin q__dr_l__o_ --- uailin _u_dr_l__o_ --- qailin q__dr_l___n --- uailio _u_dr_l___n --- qailio q___ri__i_n --- uadllo _u__ri__i_n --- qadllo __a_ri__i_n --- qudllo q_a_ri__i__ --- udllon q_a_r_ll___ --- udiion _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll_o_ --- qadiin q_a___ll_o_ --- udriin q__d__ll_o_ --- uariin q___r_ll_o_ --- uadiin __a_r_ll_o_ --- qudiin _u_d__ll_o_ --- qariin _u__r_ll__n --- qadiio q_a___ll__n --- udriio q__d__ll__n --- uariio q___r_ll__n --- uadiio __a_r_ll__n --- qudiio q__d_i__io_ --- uarlln q___r_l__on --- uadili _u__r_l__on --- qadili __a_r_l__on --- qudili q_a_r____on --- udilli
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2010-06-28, 16:20 | Link #439 | |
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HOLD RUT, HURD LOT, OLD HURT, OLD RUTH, LORD HUT, DOT HURL. Assuming the condition "No two 'who are close' must remain close after permutation" for the second twilight, we're left with: HOLD RUT, HURD LOT, OLD HURT, LORD HUT, DOT HURL if the two who are close are TH, and OLD HURT, DOT HURL if the two who are close are DR. OLD HURT and DOT HURL are the only ones that fit both conditions. If we remove the "TH" after that, we're back to "LORD U", so it still fits, the question is, can any of those two remaining anagrams be useful. If we remove the RD after that, we get ULOTH as the remaining letters, which produces no interesting permutations that I can see. P.S. LORD HUT sounds suspiciously like Kinzo's study, only, as far as we know, the way to the gold isn't anywhere near it... unless there's something else on the island that could be called "LORD HUT". Maybe that gazebo that keeps coming up?...
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2010-06-28, 16:25 | Link #440 |
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with "quadrillionth" the possible combinations are actually very very few, because it's a lot harder to separate all characters except two by removing 6 among 13 rather than 6 among 11.
q_a_r_ll_o_t_ --- udiinh q_a_r_ll__n_h --- udiiot q_a_r_ll_o__h --- udiint qu_d_i__i_n_h --- arllot q_ad_i__i_n_h --- urllot <- yes the key is "troll u"!!! q_a_ri__i_n_h --- udllot q_a_r_l__on_h --- udilit q_a_r_l__o_th --- udilin
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