Left 4 Dead

[Spectacular_Insanity]

In my honest opinion, while I think a lot of the new content is great, I think it still has a lot of balance problems and AI issues. When I say the AI is dumb, I didn't mean just the survivors AI. The enemy AI also tends to be pretty dumb as well, and hardly a challenge if your team knows how to stay together and simply rush through. I did it several times on Expert with a few exceptions which, in my opinion, shouldn't even be possible.

Overall, what I was trying to get at, and failed to mention it in thi particular manner, was that it seems more like an expansion pack and not really a full sequel (new enemies, new guns, new weapons), since gameplay-wise, it is still almost exactly the same. I can justify this because the things that annoyed me about L4D 1 I didn't feel were properly addressed. If I complain about them, then certainly I'm not the only one, because I know people complained about the same things I am now in L4D 1. Not to mention it still uses the exact same engine. It just has better graphics this time.

I'm missing the "wow" factor that I was expecting, and everyone seems to be overhyping about. Sure, it LOOKS better, but it plays almost exactly the same, unless you did what I did a couple games and tried to do melee-only. Which typically fails, but is good for laughs. I actually got to the middle of the hedge-row area but I died when I tried to cr0wn a wandering witch with my machete. Catastrophic (though expected) fail. Though it is fun, I still can't see myself buying it for the full price. If I get news about major issues fixed, then I would be more than happy to. But as is, I'll probably end up waiting a while til the price drops.

[Mueti]

Originally Posted by plmko

1. Most of the games you mentioned are deathmatch games, as so obviously they cannot be played offline, that would defeat the purpose of the game.
2. There are lots of successful offline MMO like games, take Diablo or even the newer borderlands as an example. But again MMOs ala WoW wouldn't make any sense offline.
3. Many multiplayer games offer bot support, if you want a good example checkout Quake wars with possibly the best bot AI. So why can't other games have it?
4. Notice how all the deathmatch games have no context/ storyline etc, Isn't L4D inviting you to play it offline at the very least?
5. Fighting games do have offline gameplay, many offer a strong single player like Tekken. Fighting games also originate from single player.

Obviously we are taking in generalisations here, but in the context of L4D, I see it as a viable single player experience.

If there are exceptions you simply shouldn't have said "a game" as in "all games".

And while those singleplayer you list possibilites do exist, for me they aren't a viable option to enjoy the game. If I temporarily don't have the option to play with my friends or other people on the net, instead of fighting bots in a game clearly designed for multiplayer I'd rather play something with a full-fleshed singleplayer-experience.

Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

In my honest opinion, while I think a lot of the new content is great, I think it still has a lot of balance problems and AI issues. When I say the AI is dumb, I didn't mean just the survivors AI. The enemy AI also tends to be pretty dumb as well, and hardly a challenge if your team knows how to stay together and simply rush through. I did it several times on Expert with a few exceptions which, in my opinion, shouldn't even be possible.

Overall, what I was trying to get at, and failed to mention it in thi particular manner, was that it seems more like an expansion pack and not really a full sequel (new enemies, new guns, new weapons), since gameplay-wise, it is still almost exactly the same. I can justify this because the things that annoyed me about L4D 1 I didn't feel were properly addressed. If I complain about them, then certainly I'm not the only one, because I know people complained about the same things I am now in L4D 1. Not to mention it still uses the exact same engine. It just has better graphics this time.

I'm missing the "wow" factor that I was expecting, and everyone seems to be overhyping about. Sure, it LOOKS better, but it plays almost exactly the same, unless you did what I did a couple games and tried to do melee-only. Which typically fails, but is good for laughs. I actually got to the middle of the hedge-row area but I died when I tried to cr0wn a wandering witch with my machete. Catastrophic (though expected) fail. Though it is fun, I still can't see myself buying it for the full price. If I get news about major issues fixed, then I would be more than happy to. But as is, I'll probably end up waiting a while til the price drops.

That's a valid point there, the AI of the SI is indeed still quite horrible and does possibly detract from the campaign-experience. I don't really mind since I only play Versus but I see how it would affect people who prefer to play campaign. But it might get balanced out by realism mode, I imagine no outlines + less damage on bodyshots to be more of an upgrade to difficulty than one might initially think.


What I don't understand is your second paragraph. Though I fully disagree, I won't argue with you if you think it doesn't warrant a sequel, that's for you to decide. But unlike you I feel that all the annoyances of L4D1 are being adressed in L4D2: If you don't have time for the sometimes very long Versus-matches you can play a few rounds of scavenger, any kind of corner-camping will be eliminated by the charger and the spitter, lack of variety in both survivor and infected play is adressed by more weapons/tools and more SI, crescendos are no longer boring events where everyone just points his shotgun at the only entrance to a small room.
What exactly are thinking about when you say that there are unadressed issues?

[MidnightViper88]

Anyone ever want to take into consideration that there are people out there that don't have the option to play online and can only play offline but still want an enjoyable gaming experience?

Yeah, welcome to the idea of "single player development"...Just because there are a lot of people that can doesn't mean there are a lot of others who just can't...

[-Sho-]

Well , we didn't talk about something that should bother you long times ago .

In your opinion , why the witch is crying ?

My opinion , she lost her pet ^^

[Cub-Sama]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Well , we didn't talk about something that should bother you long times ago .

In your opinion , why the witch is crying ?

My opinion , she lost her pet ^^

I think she is crying because the hunter dumped her to focus on his pouncing career

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

In your opinion , why the witch is crying ?

She's crying because of Bill, who happened to not only mortally dump her, but his love for pills was greater anyway...

[Alchemist007]

My friend who at first was like "I don't care much for it" finally came around and realized how fun it is with people. Hopefully convinced him to buy it so we can play online

[-Sho-]

Yeah , its very fun with friend
My fav characters in the first is Louis ! He's hilarious ^^ i like his voice XD
In the second , its Nick , he's cool . "Hold up coach, maybe the chopper...... maybe he's made of chocolate" lol

[mana-past]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Well , we didn't talk about something that should bother you long times ago .

In your opinion , why the witch is crying ?

My opinion , she lost her pet ^^

I have a feeling she was a prostitute, who found out she was ugly when she was infected, and that no one wanted her because she's too damn ugly.

[Alchemist007]

The special zombies before the infection:

Spoiler:

Spoiler for random:

[-Sho-]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

The special zombies before the infection:

Spoiler:

Rofl good one , i didn't know this one XD its hilarious ^^

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Spoiler for random:

I knew this one . Yum Yum !

[TigerII]

The special infected strip needs to be updated to add Jockey, Spitter, and Charger.

[Alchemist007]

I guess this would belong in the vids section but its all L4D/2 hilarity

Spoiler:

L4D1

Spoiler:

L4D2

Spoiler:

This one killed me

Louis meets L4D2

Spoiler:

[MidnightViper88]

Well, continuing on with pills videos, I posted this earlier, but an embedding is worth seeing Louis and Bill have a pills orgasm again

Spoiler:

And pills makes Louis do weird things

Spoiler:

[-Sho-]

I already watched L4D 1 videos but L4D 2 omg XD Louis come back for his pills Coach => Chocolate lol

Well , anyone already played the full L4D 2? its out since this morning .

I played the firsts campaign , Dead Center and Dark Carnival . Very good campaigns specially Dark Carnival .

Spoiler for Dead Center Ending:

Lol , the final is like the new mode Scavenge , you'll have to put 8 oils in a car then when you have done , drive and its the end with a beautiful exit XD"

Spoiler for Dark Carnival Ending:

Rofl , it was awesome , you know what ? a rock band ! You'll have to activate the music on a concert to call the chopper then horde is coming etc .... I take the guitar and having fun with it ! Well , its hard to get in the chopper , the tank appears near it and it takes a moment for the chopper to get you so run fast and throw pile bomb !! Dead 2 times XD

Well , its very good , more amazing than the first and it moves a lot , you don't feel bored .

I'm only dissapointed , for some servers , who can crash the game , and others servers who lags ! And , too much weapons and items ! Well you'll see ...

See ya !

[Kyero Fox]

lol @ http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme...topic=52284105

[-Sho-]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

lol @ http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme...topic=52284105

Seems he's one of the people who still boycott the game even if its already released.
His words have no credibility sorry . He can be mad whenever he wants . I don't care

[Alchemist007]

l4d2 is VERY f***ing hard on expert compared to l4d1, on certain levels especially because they're so long now, takes 2 hrs to beat a campaign on average. And that's not considering the millions of retrys.

[EoT]

Very fun game

I love the new infected. They make levels a lot more interesting especially levels where you can push people off edges.

I also like how you can't really hide in a corner anymore together to fight a horde and how horde's come more frequently than before!

[Mueti]

The new versus is absolutely frenetic, intense, hard and brilliant. Effective attacks really hurt now and pretty much any combination involving the spitter can really rip a team apart. And all the new infected are useful and fun to use.

Level-design is great, the new weapons are great, melee weapons are vicious (and actually useful!). Overall it feels very different from the first L4D and improved on every single aspect of a game I already loved.
L4D2 will keep me entertained for a long, long time.