2006-12-17, 09:47 | Link #41 | |
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Not only the room is far from closed since there are open windows everywhere but there is alos hardly a handfull of sand to stop Gaara to knive anyway. |
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2006-12-17, 17:33 | Link #43 |
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Okay.. I'm too lazy to quote people right now but in regards to this whole Hunter/Suna conversation about Gaara and his sand... I am going to have to side with Suna on this one, although I do respect Hunter and his rationale... he has been wrong about Gaara before. I mean he formally believed that Shuukaku was not one of the nine demons, but rather only a priest.
The most logical explanation for where Gaara got his sand from when his automatic defense prevented him from injuring himself is of course... his surroundings. I know there is no gourd, most-likely no sand armour, and no visible clumps of sound around.... but keep in mind they are in the Sand Village..in the dessert.. as Hunter has been saying; the most obvious place the sand came from is from the buildings themselves. The people of the Sand Village are probably not going to be using wood for their structures, but more so would make them out of some form of adobe, mud-bricklike houses. I'm sure that there is a ninja who specializes in making the sand houses for the village. So regardless of where Gaara is in the village and what he has on his person, there is always available material that seems to come out of nowhere. The main issue about this sub-topic, however, is whether Gaara loses his automatic sand defense when he goes into Demon-form. It is in my belief that he does in fact lose it... -Gaara's sand is being used by Shuukaku. -There are no longer two conscious minds controlling his sand (in full Demon), so Shuukaku is doing everything on its own and would possibly be taxed if still having to maintain the auto-defense. -Normally Gaara in full-demon mode would not have to be at all concerned about enemies as there are very few ninja who can withstand such a giant monster; The Sannin, Naruto, Yondaime(all of these can summon bosses), Shodaime(his wood can grow to rival the sheer body scale of the enemies), and possilby a few other select nins can stand against the large demons on equal terms. So why would his demon half even bother to use the limited (Shuukaku is not the same as Kyubi) chakra it has to maintain an otherwise unneccessary defense? Logistically speaking, keeping the outstanding abilities preserved in an upgraded form of that ability seems, to me, to be spreading your chakra levels too far only to end up with a heedless over-exurtion of yourself. In the case of the MS, why would you need to have reading, copying, and prediction abilities when, in most cases, your enemies falls in a second or two? |
2006-12-17, 22:45 | Link #45 |
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Didnt Itachi tell sasuke you have to kill your best friend in order to achieve MS, then how could Kakashi get MS? he didnt exactly kill his best friend. I am sorry if its already been discussed i wasnt around for a while.
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2006-12-19, 17:49 | Link #50 |
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I know what everyone's talking about on this thread and I'm new, so don't criticize me. I believe that Tsukyomi of MS could be used against the user if the user uses it and then sees a reflection of their own eyes, thus using it on themselves. Since it would be stupid to use a mirror, the person could wear mirrored contacts like in that third Artemis Fowl book.
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2006-12-19, 19:39 | Link #52 |
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I think he always had the sand armor, that is the last defense line, and also acts as an outer skin. It looks like normal skin, but it's there. His battle-sand is probably of the same special sand but as the shield but he uses it for his attacking techniques, so he did not have it back than. In the flashbacks the sand does not come from nowhere, it's on him all the time. It's probably what killed his mother too. I think in the flashbacks all the attacks were weak compared to the chuunin exam times, so that the sand skin armor was enough to hold.
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2006-12-20, 13:10 | Link #54 | |
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Twice the "space warp" effect was targeted ON Deidara, but he moved away. Both Kakashi and Deidara were running/flying at full speed so it's obvious he can move the space warp effect. However, he wasn't able to predict and track Deidara's movement. |
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2006-12-20, 13:35 | Link #55 | |
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So yeah by Kakashi's own admission he can't use this jutsu properly which is why he missed. And he used it because despite his lack of control it remains one of the deadliest long range jutsu in the whole story. |
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2006-12-21, 10:34 | Link #56 | |
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The technique is like the other Mangekyou Sharingan techniques: powerful but not cost effective. For the chakra cost of one space warp, Kakashi could have made several Kage Bunshin and have each one launch several lower powerd long range jutsu. Currently it hit 0.5/2 times on moving targets and costs 1/3 your chakra, making it useless for anything besides stationary targets with high defense. It also has all the weaknesses inherent in a high power single target jutsu. |
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2006-12-21, 11:45 | Link #57 | |
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Between Kishimoto's explanation through Kakashi the guy who uses and created the jutsu to begin with and an assumption invented out of nowhere contradicting it, I think I know where the "biggest problem with people on this forum" lies. |
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2006-12-21, 13:10 | Link #58 | |
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2006-12-21, 13:22 | Link #59 | |
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2006-12-21, 13:34 | Link #60 |
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What takes time for Kakashi after the initial gathering of chakra to activate the MS is the control over the location of the hit.
On a moving target we saw that Kakashi needs a rather long time to try to keep his target in check and can't aim properly yet. On a sitting duck like was Deidara's clay clone he had much less trouble that's all. |
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