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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 42 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 1 | 4.00% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 6 | 24.00% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 6 | 24.00% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 8 | 32.00% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 8.00% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 4.00% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 4.00% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-07-30, 23:46 | Link #62 | |
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And this is a Gundam forum, if you want to talk about the olympics there is a thread in the general discussion forum. |
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2012-07-31, 00:13 | Link #63 | |||
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Someone like Fram is in the same boat as Zeheart - completely loyal to the cause and unquestioning. Also again has the Vagan military shown anything otherwise that they are actually in conflict about killing civilians? We have never been show this on screen at all! Not a single Vagan soldier had been shown to be suffering from such moral conflict of carrying out Ezelcant's orders. NOT ONE. All we have seen in the Vagan military is them killing civilians EVERY SINGLE GENERATION for the past 60 years of the war! Quote:
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2012-07-31, 00:32 | Link #64 | |
seiyuu maniac
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Flit really hasn't killed in cold blood, at all, zero, in this entire series at this moment in time. Killing in cold blood means murdering someone who is defenceless or harmless - killing enemy combatants in an active warzone firing death rays at either you, your fellow soldiers, or civilians with the intention of causing harm or to kill cannot for even a split second be consider killing in cold blood. However the Vagan military HAVE killed many civilians in cold blood - many freaking times, just as Flit says "they take life freely" - and not just combatant life but civilian life. So yeah, the Vagans military ARE monsters by its very literal dictionary definition. While you can say Flit applying this view to the entire Vagan is extreme, applying the label of monsters due to the actions of the Vagan military is hardly problematic, in fact it is very fitting.
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2012-07-31, 00:50 | Link #65 | ||||
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When it became obvious they couldn't Germans in WWII started to have the idea that surrender to the West is the better option than the Russians. When Japan wouldn't get their land battle and two H-bombs blew two cities they knew they had to surrender. Quote:
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Einus was surprised by Diva loaded with Plasma Divers as those are as of last she read against regulations. The Federation has always followed the Silver Chalice Treaty and they are finally ripping it to shreds by using these weapons en massed. |
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2012-07-31, 01:24 | Link #66 |
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Are you seriously using Fram's rejection of Kio's offer as a way to demonize her and the rest of the Vagans?What's she gonna say to that? "Ok kid, let's talk while your grandpa murders all my comrades"? You have to look at the context in which the offer is made, and by who. Kio doesn't have he power to offer terms to the enemy, and he's fighting for the federation, he's not even asking people to go pirate with him his asking people to just put down their arms and be executed (shanalua, girard)... of course people are going to reject that crap.
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2012-07-31, 02:20 | Link #67 | |
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2012-07-31, 03:38 | Link #68 | ||
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Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2] from the Ancient Greek ψυχή "psyche", -soul, mind and πάθος, "pathos" -suffering, disease, condition[3][4]) is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, lacking guilt, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, nonplanfulness, impulsivity, and antisocial behaviors such as parasitic lifestyle and criminality. Bold is my emphasis - Zeheart showed plenty of coldheartedness and lacking empathy when he gave the go ahead and watches his subordinates murder innocent civilians and actually giving approval, at that moment in time I think he fully deserves the title of a psychopath, more so than the Flit-haters would like to admit that Flit is nothing compared to these guys who talks pretty but has innocent blood on their hands, whereas Flit is actually clean.
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2012-07-31, 07:37 | Link #70 | |
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The only character going around ranting he's going to exterminate an entire race is Flit. If it were Zeheart or Fram I'd condemn their attitude too, but so far they haven't said anything. Stop trying to sugarcoat Flit's attitude. Ever since Gen 2 he's been off the deep end. In that colony he ordered an attack on the Vagan factory and when Asemu quesitoned his order he said straight up he didn't give a shit about the civilians because they were traitors who were collaborating with the Vagan, nvm the fact that people didn't even know there Vagans in the factory...
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2012-07-31, 08:11 | Link #71 |
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The truth is..........yup. Anime>Olympic for me. And Im enjoying my life because of it
Also is it me or the 3 MC for AGE has a little bit similar attitude towards WAR as the 3 MC of SEED/DESTINY? -Kio is now Kira, since NO-kill policy. -Flit is Shinn. Actually has been Shinn from beginning since his views on WAR is due to his hatred/vengeance. -Asemu is Athrun, because..........I just felt like saying he's like Athrun since the other 2 resembles other MC of SEED series. So no actual point.......
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2012-07-31, 09:09 | Link #72 | |
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And we've gone over this. Aside from the fact that a special forces team would've suffice Flit was in the right. He argued back that a moment's hesitation would lead to the worse possible outcome and that not taking care of the enemy quickly would result in heavy damage. Guess what? That's what happened. Asemu ran off which and when he finally came back it took him very little time to neutralize the Vagan suits to begin with. The sooner you go in and take down the factory, the sooner you prevent the Vagans from digging in too deep in which case heavy collateral damage would be expected. There is no 100% ensuring that you can avoid it but you can at least minimize it as much as possible. The damage to the colony was due to Asemu's hesitation to go in quickly and neutralize the Vagans before they could make a move. That's how special forces operate in such delicate circumstances. The longer they allow the enemy to recover and gear up the harder the mission would be and the chances of civilians getting hurt is higher. |
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2012-07-31, 09:24 | Link #73 | |
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2012-07-31, 09:46 | Link #74 | |||
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Also I like how again you give Fram the slack, but when the Feds offered the Vagan's an olive branch it's not the Vagan's fault but the Feds for not trying hard enough. Quote:
FACT: Flit hasn't killed anyone in cold blood despite his cries of extermination FACT: Vagans led many attacks on innocent civilians for the PAST 60 YEARS. Zeheart himself led the Earth invasion on civilians in Gen 3 Please stop your double standards, again Flit is just saying stuff about killing whereas the Vagans has actually DONE them many times. But we never see you condemn the Vagans, not once, but when Flit opens his mouth he is instantly the psychopathic genocidal manic. Quote:
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2012-07-31, 10:24 | Link #75 |
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Flit doesn't just want to kill the enemy, he wants to exterminate all vagans including the women and children who have not blown up colonies or killed civilians. They've done him no wrong yet he wants to kill them all based onwhat happened in war? That's irrational, and you trying to justify him makes you look silly. Zeheart and Fram have never said they wanted to exterminate the earthnoids. I dare you to find an episode where either of them say anything of the sort.
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2012-07-31, 10:55 | Link #76 | |
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2012-07-31, 14:43 | Link #78 | |
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All I said is that wanting to exterminate an entire race is wrong. I guess that's uh, a radical new idea around here or something. Your argument is basically that we can't condemn Flit's genocidal thoughts unless he actually goes out and starts killing innocent people? I guess racists shouldn't be condemned unless they act out and physically hurt people? Well NO, there are things that are socially acceptable to say and others that are not. Saying you want to exterminate a certain race is one of those that's inherently wrong. That's not open to interpretation. "Oh but the other guys did X and Y, so it's OK for him to think that way" - NO, it's not . Two wrongs don't make a right.
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2012-07-31, 15:24 | Link #79 |
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Revolutionist Flit hasn't killed yet in cold blood. When Shanalua a Vegan co-opted spy escaped he said to Kio to let her go and focus on the mission. This shows regardless of his opinion he is still professional to this day.
Girrad Spriggan defected to the Vagans and attacked Federation troops, so Flit is right when he said talking to her is useless as she already picked a side. Vegan is not a race but a sovereign state that has declared war on the rest of humanity. Its military and citizens support the genocide in Earth Sphere to make room for them. They are even willing to enslave the population of a colony orbiting Earth during the Assemu arc. That sounds like what Hitler was planning for the Slavs. |
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