Character Discussion - Lelouch

[KrimzonStriker]

This is getting really off-topic guys, can we please stop already?

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

This is getting really off-topic guys, can we please stop already?

Ha ha, I was wondering when someone was going to say something. Nah, I just thought I'd start a different discussion and, in the process, cause a little chaos by disrupting the established topic of this thread. I'm a regular Joker

Though it does seem this discussion has caught a bit of wind, so I just had this crazy idea to start a "Code Geass compared to other Media" thread. Or perhaps an "Introduce Characters from other Media into Code Geass" thread. What do you all think it should be? It should be a thread that could continue this conversation and create others like it ... or should I not make one at all?

Anyway, to kick things off back on the topic of Lelouch: Do you think Lelouch is going to stay on the path of the Demon King or do you think he'll see the light and redeem himself by the end of the series? I'm betting on the latter. At least I hope he does.

[Stargaze]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Ha ha, I was wondering when someone was going to say something. Nah, I just thought I'd start a different discussion and, in the process, cause a little chaos by disrupting the established topic of this thread. I'm a regular Joker

Though it does seem this discussion has caught a bit of wind, so I just had this crazy idea to start a "Code Geass compared to other Media" thread. Or perhaps an "Introduce Characters from other Media into Code Geass" thread. What do you all think it should be? It should be a thread that could continue this conversation and create others like it ... or should I not make one at all?

You should suggest it to the mods Though I don't think the topic is something that will be able to sustain for too long... Well, it is worth trying I guess after such interesting discussion about the Joker

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Anyway, to kick things off back on the topic of Lelouch: Do you think Lelouch is going to stay on the path of the Demon King or do you think he'll see the light and redeem himself by the end of the series? I'm betting on the latter. At least I hope he does.

After the recent events, I don't think Lelouch will be seeing light anywhere any time soon. But seeing that he will have a satisfactory ending, I guess he will somehow regret or mourn about his past. Meh, I think it would end morally, can't have Lelouch rampaging across the world or something immoral as that as a satisfactory ending now, can we? Unless Sunrise is planning to be innovative...

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Stargaze

You should suggest it to the mods Though I don't think the topic is something that will be able to sustain for too long... Well, it is worth trying I guess after such interesting discussion about the Joker

How would I go about doing that? Do I PM them? If so, who? Or is their a forum or some other special method?

[Stargaze]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

How would I go about doing that? Do I PM them? If so, who? Or is their a forum or some other special method?

There is a "Request for new thread" thread in the Code Geass forum; it is stickied. I suppose you can suggest it there.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

The Joker in Geass wouldn't be as bad as you think. The Joker with Geass, however...

There kinda is a Joker in Code Geass. Emperor Charles. They have similar philosophies. He thinks that morality and justice is a lie and that people are evil by nature.

"I wanted to see what you do and you did not disappoint. You let thousands of Japanese die. Then you let Euphemia take the blame. Even for a guy like me that's cold."

"You see their morals, their code. It's all a bad joke. They're dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. When the chips are down, these uh...these so called civilized people will eat each other. You see I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.".

[Vakir]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

"I wanted to see what you do and you did not disappoint. You let thousands of Japanese die. Then you let Euphemia take the blame. Even for a guy like me that's cold."

"You see their morals, their code. It's all a bad joke. They're dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. When the chips are down, these uh...these so called civilized people will eat each other. You see I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.".

Ok, I know we should've dropped the Joker a long time ago and it's drifting off topic, but people need to consider the concept of an unreliable speaker.

The Joker is batshit insane. : | It doesn't matter what his claims of his philosophy are, in that scene he's trying to influence Dent to go all Nietzsche on everyone's ass to do his chaotic bidding. The most sense he truly makes is no sense. Just because he says something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

To make it Geass related, the Emperor can be seen as the same way. We're really unsure of what his real goals are, obviously related to the Ragnarok Connection, and he could easily be goading Lelouch by talking about how his "morals" conflict with his own. We're not too sure what Lelouch's purpose is to Charles, or if he has any at all. We CAN agree that the Euphie thing was cold, if even a little necessary.

[SonOfHeaven]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Anyway, to kick things off back on the topic of Lelouch: Do you think Lelouch is going to stay on the path of the Demon King or do you think he'll see the light and redeem himself by the end of the series? I'm betting on the latter. At least I hope he does.

I think Lelouch will stay on this demon king path for a few episodes.

Spoiler for Lelouch:

When the OotBK betrays him, I expect afterwards he'll get his act together.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Stargaze

There is a "Request for new thread" thread in the Code Geass forum; it is stickied. I suppose you can suggest it there.

Thanks. I'll give it a shot and pray for the best.

Originally Posted by Vakir

Ok, I know we should've dropped the Joker a long time ago and it's drifting off topic, but people need to consider the concept of an unreliable speaker.

The Joker is batshit insane. : | It doesn't matter what his claims of his philosophy are, in that scene he's trying to influence Dent to go all Nietzsche on everyone's ass to do his chaotic bidding. The most sense he truly makes is no sense. Just because he says something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

To make it Geass related, the Emperor can be seen as the same way. We're really unsure of what his real goals are, obviously related to the Ragnarok Connection, and he could easily be goading Lelouch by talking about how his "morals" conflict with his own. We're not too sure what Lelouch's purpose is to Charles, or if he has any at all. We CAN agree that the Euphie thing was cold, if even a little necessary.

Great, I just spent the last 15 minutes posting a long response and then my Internet connection pusses out on me. 15 minutes straight down the crapper.

Well to summarize, what I basically was doing was comparing the Joker to Charles. They are both disgusted and/or hate the established order and want to change the world around them. Whereas Charles runs military campaigns and world conquest while working on his secret agenda, the Joker manipulates the people around him and poses ethically impossible decisions to people. And yes, since the Joker is insane, the best way we can determine what he's after is by his actions. The Joker seems to hat the establishe order and wants it destroyed, and although he states the contrary, he may be the biggest schemer of all since he planned his arrest, Harvey and Rachel's kidnappings, his escape, and Harvey's descension to the pat of destruction. Also, Charles may be more underhanded because, while he keeps his real intentions secret from the world, the Joker goes out and proves his point quite clearly and causes people to lose faith in the system.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Well everything we predicted about Lelouch's crazy bad decision skills came correct and as usual everything blew up in his face.

[Witacume]

I think LElouch figure it out after seeing the scene again.
What a terrible ending no wonder he is go emo pissed because he knows he killed nunnally.
He did it. when Guildford says Live himesama.
He realized it was his command that lead suzaku to shoot what terrible end.
How can one forgive oneself for destroying the very thing that you are living for.
Irony and tragedy at its best and now Lelouch has to get it back together.
there is only 3 people left that can help him and that's Millay, rivalz and Kallen.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Witacume

I think LElouch figure it out after seeing the scene again.
What a terrible ending no wonder he is go emo pissed because he knows he killed nunnally.
He did it. when Guildford says Live himesama.
He realized it was his command that lead suzaku to shoot what terrible end.
How can one forgive oneself for destroying the very thing that you are living for.
Irony and tragedy at its best and now Lelouch has to get it back together.
there is only 3 people left that can help him and that's Millay, rivalz and Kallen.

And not C.C... <_<

Well, I will wait before saying that C.C. is useless.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Narona

And not C.C... <_<

Well, I will wait before saying that C.C. is useless.

fine 4 people. (if it was Old CC i would have added her but again it might be my biase. but I really think i am being fair in this.)

[Vakir]

I consider C.C. kinda useless at this point too. She'll likely come into a bigger role later, but as of now she's too young-at-mind to be of any moderate wisdom or comfort to him.

[amjzz]

I wonder how is going to react lelouch next episode...in the preview he seems very angry at everyone....

[Darkside]

Originally Posted by amjzz

I wonder how is going to react lelouch next episode...in the preview he seems very angry at everyone....

I think he's going to go on a rampage and rolo and c.c. are going to feel the bulk of it

[Leeloo]

Seems like CG scripts follow the rule " You reap what you sow". Putting Nunally aside as a person this is the only fitting end for LL, killing his own sister,betrayed,lied to and used. The wheel just turned and LL is on the receiving end.
From the brighter point of view I kinda think LL and Suz will reconcile at the end, both of them seeing they were wrong.

[ScudFace]

you think so? It seems to me that the hatred between lulu and suzaku deepened considerably these past two eps. Lulu thinks suzaku betrayed him plus more importantly killed his sister and won't hesitate to kill him anymore while suzaku thinks his geass command forced him to commit genocide.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Leeloo

point of view I kinda think LL and Suz will reconcile at the end, both of them seeing they were wrong.

That will be when hell freezes over. Id like to see them again together bonding, but there have been a lot of crap between them during the whole R2 and the last epi was the finishing blow. :/

[Aquaman OS]

Yeah but its not like Lelouch is gonna keep his butthurt pissy attitude toward the world much longer.

Not if he's gonna win in the end at any case.