AnimeSuki Forums

Rising Dragon · 2010-04-21, 21:33

Or it could be a reference to the fact that if you remove all of the extra weapons from it, leaving it with the original weaponry that the Astraea was equipped with before Fon went AWOL, it'd look like the regular Astraea F and could be used as such when it comes to modeling purposes.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-21, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by fizzmaister

Also, he could have tuned the GN Drive[T] to produce the same kind of GN particles as a real GN Drive. It would be stronger, but at the cost of a much shorter running time.

I thought GN Tau Drives couldn't be tuned to be the same color as the true GN Drives?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Why can't it be pink?

I believe beam's color depend on the weapon, not power input.

No...it depends on the tuning of the GN Drive.

Rising Dragon · 2010-04-21, 23:40

They can be tuned like that, it just won't do anyone any good. Similarly, the original Drives can be tuned for beam potency. And yes, beam color depends on the tuning, not the weapon.

SonicSP · 2010-04-22, 05:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Heh it's funny, The Type F uses a GN Drive Tau, but on the model kit box art, the beams are pink.

Its probably one of those artistic license thingy. The HG Gadessa boxart have it fires pink beams too. The HG Arche box has it firing orange beams when its color is red.

And as RD said, they may want to potray this as the normal Type F, despite the curcumstance its current storiline potrays and the art chosen. Model kits usually have that special break away from canon ability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Why can't it be pink?

I believe beam's color depend on the weapon, not power input.

It depends on the type of particles produced by the GN Drive. Green particles produce pink beams, golden particles produce orange beams, orange particles produce orange beams and red particles produce red beams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fizzmaister

Also, he could have tuned the GN Drive[T] to produce the same kind of GN particles as a real GN Drive. It would be stronger, but at the cost of a much shorter running time.

I find that very unlikely, although the Tau Drive retuned to green colors is known to be theoretically possible with the info we know.

But we still do not know whether a GN Drive can be "retuned" though; whether its something that happens at the creation and is permanant to the core componant [or whether its not].

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

I thought GN Tau Drives couldn't be tuned to be the same color as the true GN Drives?

Theoretically possible although we have not seen a clear example of it being done in the series yet.

SonicSP · 2010-04-22, 14:37

Spoiler for HG 1/144 GNY-001F Gundam Astraea Type F manual:

The NGN Bazooka is the name of the missle launcher used by the GN-X III and Aheads at the end of S2. The "N" literally means Non, meaning its a "Non GN" weapon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by calubin_175

Regarding the NGN Bazooka, it says it is a Federation produced weapon used in situations where particle disruptions are employed, e.g anti GN field. It has the choice of loading up GN missiles or solid rounds. This bazoooka was looted by Fon from a Federation base.

The GN Launcher yields higher output when directly connected to the GN Drive via the clavical antenna area. When it is detached from the connector, it still holds substantial fire power among portable GN weaponry, sourcing particles from its condensor.

The Hammer is a creation of Sherilyn, and works similar to the buster sword.

Well, take it as it is folks. Credit pics go to Homeless and HobbySearch while translation pics goes to calubin.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-22, 18:56

Non GN Weapon?

WTF? It's TOTALLY A GN Weapon, it uses solid rounds powered by GN Particles for propulsion...so GN tech is there somewhere.

What does it mean by "missiles or solid rounds" anyway? Aren't the missiles the solid rounds?

fizzmaister · 2010-04-22, 19:59

Solid probably means non-explosive, ie. kinetic. NGN, probably means that it isn't affected by anti GN particle counter-measures. This way, the missile or kinetic round is launched by GN particles, where they aren't affected by the anti-GN field, and the missile or kinetic round isn't affected by the field because it isn't GN particle based. In this case NGN is a weapon in between GN and conventional. It probably isn't as strong as GN weaponry, but it is the strongest that can exist in an anti-GN field, which is a worthwile niche in and of itself.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-22, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by fizzmaister

Solid probably means non-explosive, ie. kinetic. NGN, probably means that it isn't affected by anti GN particle counter-measures. This way, the missile or kinetic round is launched by GN particles, where they aren't affected by the anti-GN field, and the missile or kinetic round isn't affected by the field because it isn't GN particle based. In this case NGN is a weapon in between GN and conventional. It probably isn't as strong as GN weaponry, but it is the strongest that can exist in an anti-GN field, which is a worthwile niche in and of itself.

Ya know, it's a shame we don't see more of it.

I always wanted to see like a GN-XIII or an Ahead armed with a giant GN Gatling Cannon with bullets laced in GN Particles.

Doesn't that sound so incredibly awesome?

SonicSP · 2010-04-23, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Non GN Weapon?

WTF? It's TOTALLY A GN Weapon, it uses solid rounds powered by GN Particles for propulsion...so GN tech is there somewhere.

What does it mean by "missiles or solid rounds" anyway? Aren't the missiles the solid rounds?

It has the option of using both solid rounds and GN missles. The solid rounds refer to good old ballistic projectiles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Ya know, it's a shame we don't see more of it.

I always wanted to see like a GN-XIII or an Ahead armed with a giant GN Gatling Cannon with bullets laced in GN Particles.

Doesn't that sound so incredibly awesome?

Its okay I guess, problem is projectiles like that have limited ammo.

In most situations though, it sounds mostly like how beam weapons work. Beam weapons are technically gattling guns, in the for of accelerated high kinetic particles.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-23, 07:36

They may take up ammo, but that leaves more particles for operation time.

OR...the ESF could mix conventional and GN weaponry for NON GN MS.

fizzmaister · 2010-04-23, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

They may take up ammo, but that leaves more particles for operation time.

OR...the ESF could mix conventional and GN weaponry for NON GN MS.

They have. I believe Sergei's all range type tieren had a GN Rifle on a condenser.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-23, 08:47

Yeah, but that's the only example. We don't know if the ESF did it with more non GNMS.

SonicSP · 2010-04-23, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

They may take up ammo, but that leaves more particles for operation time.

OR...the ESF could mix conventional and GN weaponry for NON GN MS.

A gattling gun then would be a bad idea due to the amount of ammo it usually would consume. More conventiona rifle designs would be better.

Still, it would be useful in an anti field though.

SonicSP · 2010-04-23, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_s_6

The title for this month's issue is #I10 "Gundam vs. Gundam"

Beside's special ability is made known.
He possesses the ability to copy his own personality and memory to another body.
Attacked by Fon in the Gundam Astrea F, Beside bore serious injuries and at once withdrew from the battle field. At about that time, Chall meets with Telicyra. She contacted him herself.
At that place, Fon alights from Astrea F.
Chall sent Innovade medical treatment data and something in a container to Fon who just appeared.
And then Telicyra was forcibly taken to Fon.

In another place, Bryn entrusts a QBW message to Sulu and Haamiya.
"Stop my father."
Beside transplanted his personal data to a reserve body and started a second round with Fon.
And Telicyra starts to treat the cast-off body (Leif) of Beside.
Morever, Lars has stopped being an Innovade hunter.
Ribbons appears at Lars' gunpoint.
To be continued.

Well, no surprise Beside has the switch body ability. We've sort of like knew that for awhile.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-24, 07:59

Prediction: MS from the 00 movie will be featured in a new series called "00MV".

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-24, 08:13

So I went backtracking in this thread for the hell of it, and found something a little odd.

Spoiler for space:

Quote:

By: mike_s_6

Hobby Japan September 2009 issue
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00V

Drama Part: GNX-612T/AA Superbia Jinx
Hiling Care’s Story

Hiling, who sortied in the Superbia Jinx for the CN’s base destruction mission reminisces about Amy Zimbalist, who reported as a substitute for duty. Amy said that Hiling is “cute”. She is a battle type who has no sexual distinction, but because there is an inconvenience in the human society, each of them pretends to be either male or female. Hiling pretended to be a female. She had no bad feelings when called “cute”.

Furthermore, Deborah’s Advanced Jinx story is also published.
The new and old models were conducted to a similar mission, and they did comparison tests between them. Deborah refused the test manager’s suggestion that she should board the Jinx III and goes on the Advanced Jinx. Amy, who for some reason disliked Deborah, also boarded an Advanced Jinx. After the two people clear their cooperation mission, the scientists who showed the good record from the new model were put in a state of confusion.

Quote:
Dengeki Hobby Magazine September 2009 issue
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00P

Title: File no. 22 “Betrayer”

[in this chapter: Soran Ibrahim is to be kept alive + drama, drama, drama]

After Grave is handed down the duty of disposing of the Gundam eyewitnesses, he secludes himself in his room and links to Veda immediately after. He receives the news that “Soran Ibrahim”, who witnessed the OGundam armed intervention testing, is to be left alone. According to the Meisters’ counsel at that time, “The possibility of him spreading information is low, and the possibility of him being a man of talent for the organization is high”, and because of this reason, “Soran Ibrahim” is to be left alive. This same assessment is handed down regarding Fon Spark. However, one of them (Soran) is to be left alive, but the other one (Fon) is to be disposed of. Grave as of the moment doesn’t have the means of knowing, he doesn’t know that “something” influences this decision.

At this time, Chall knocked on his door, and went in for a visit. Previously, Grave had summoned Chall. He tells her, “I will go to battle, but I have no plans of disposing of anyone”. He furthermore tells to the surprised Chall, “There is no danger posed by them due to combat that is proven. I will withdraw from the obliteration orders from Veda.” Chall worriedly said, “Oh, will you, for your own sake, take on such a distress?” And to that Grave replied, “This is for my own belief”. After a moment of silence, Chall throws her deep sentiments to him.

“Please return alive. A gentle person is not suited for combat. Gentleness is what kills a person. …that’s what everyone says.”

“I promise. I will certainly return alive.”
Grave then furthermore conveys the existence of Fon Spark to Chall, and she recommended him as a member of the support group that she is building.

In a certain desert, Grave fights with a Tieren Kyitwo. Grave, who is a combat-type Innovaoid, destroys the drive of the Tieren Kyitwo in just a second after the Raziel begins to move, and ends the combat. Up to when he was returning to the base, Grave requested for a detailed analysis of the data of the combat, and he protests against the disposal orders. “If the action is validated after retreat [?], worrying that the spread of the news to a wide area is not necessary, the enemy becoming an armed threat does not exist.” Grave returned to the base, and just as he has changed to civilian clothes, the conclusion of Veda came out. “The cancellation of the disposal instruction.”

In Grave’s face can be seen a sight of relief, but in contrast, Hixar arrives with a surprising behavior. Hixar fires one shot with his gun, and again shoots Grave. The first landed on his leg, and again on his leg, and then on his back, and lastly on his torso. “Uh, wha… what…” Hixar says as he panics. Hixar himself did not understand why he was shooting his close friend.

Grave mustered to the last of his strength… “I’m s… sorry, Hixar…”

However this weak voice did not reach the panicked Hixar.
That very day, Grave was marked as “deletion” in Veda’s meisters list. And then Hixar’s record is re-registered from “human” to “essentially ideal Innovaoid”. However, this is only seen in the high level access. In the general level access, Hixar is also marked as “deletion”.

In fact, when Grave died in front of his eyes, Hixar had also died.

The next chapter is FILE NO. 23 “GUNDAM 874”

Shouldn't it be the Tieren Kyitwo?

I never heard anything about there being more than one...

RES-01 Perses Gundam · 2010-04-24, 08:19

Probably just another error in translation..

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-24, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by RES-01 Perses Gundam

Probably just another error in translation..

Maybe, just struck me as something worth

about.

SonicSP · 2010-04-24, 15:22

Not sure whether it was ever specified if ever more than one was made or vice versa.

If one is unsure or was not specified, "a" seems to be the safer option. You can't take translations too literally in the English language because the difficulty involved in translating.

"A" can also be meant to imply one in a physical sense. If we know that there's only one, then "the" seem to be the correct option officially but "a" will always mean one, regardless of whether its exclusive in the world or not and regardless of whether its incorrect in the English language. In this sense, the sentence is not obeying the English rule but manages to deliver the meaning of a single unit in the scene, at least.

The translator in question, seems like she simply wish to state that there is one Tieren Kyitwo in the scene. [without saying whether it is or is not exclusive unit]

And worst comes to worst, its an error which happens all the time.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-04-24, 19:10

Over Realdo anyone?

I like the aesthetics, but...it seems mecha designers in 00 can't shake off making an MS's gun look like a certain body part...>.<

But...the rifle looks better than most S/VMS rifles, so it's not all that bad.

2010-04-21, 21:33	Link #1981
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Or it could be a reference to the fact that if you remove all of the extra weapons from it, leaving it with the original weaponry that the Astraea was equipped with before Fon went AWOL, it'd look like the regular Astraea F and could be used as such when it comes to modeling purposes. __________________

2010-04-21, 23:40	Link #1983
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	They can be tuned like that, it just won't do anyone any good. Similarly, the original Drives can be tuned for beam potency. And yes, beam color depends on the tuning, not the weapon. __________________

2010-04-22, 19:59	Link #1987
fizzmaister The Tall One Join Date: Jan 2006	Solid probably means non-explosive, ie. kinetic. NGN, probably means that it isn't affected by anti GN particle counter-measures. This way, the missile or kinetic round is launched by GN particles, where they aren't affected by the anti-GN field, and the missile or kinetic round isn't affected by the field because it isn't GN particle based. In this case NGN is a weapon in between GN and conventional. It probably isn't as strong as GN weaponry, but it is the strongest that can exist in an anti-GN field, which is a worthwile niche in and of itself. __________________

2010-04-24, 15:22	Link #1999
SonicSP Sonic!I AM SONIC!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hot Non-Winter Place Age: 33	Not sure whether it was ever specified if ever more than one was made or vice versa. If one is unsure or was not specified, "a" seems to be the safer option. You can't take translations too literally in the English language because the difficulty involved in translating. "A" can also be meant to imply one in a physical sense. If we know that there's only one, then "the" seem to be the correct option officially but "a" will always mean one, regardless of whether its exclusive in the world or not and regardless of whether its incorrect in the English language. In this sense, the sentence is not obeying the English rule but manages to deliver the meaning of a single unit in the scene, at least. The translator in question, seems like she simply wish to state that there is one Tieren Kyitwo in the scene. [without saying whether it is or is not exclusive unit] And worst comes to worst, its an error which happens all the time. __________________

2010-04-22, 18:56	Link #1986
GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	Non GN Weapon? WTF? It's TOTALLY A GN Weapon, it uses solid rounds powered by GN Particles for propulsion...so GN tech is there somewhere. What does it mean by "missiles or solid rounds" anyway? Aren't the missiles the solid rounds?

2010-04-23, 07:36	Link #1990
GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	They may take up ammo, but that leaves more particles for operation time. OR...the ESF could mix conventional and GN weaponry for NON GN MS.

2010-04-23, 08:47	Link #1992
GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	Yeah, but that's the only example. We don't know if the ESF did it with more non GNMS.

2010-04-24, 07:59	Link #1995
GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	Prediction: MS from the 00 movie will be featured in a new series called "00MV".

2010-04-24, 08:19	Link #1997
RES-01 Perses Gundam A Contradiction Beneath Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Singapore	Probably just another error in translation..

2010-04-24, 19:10	Link #2000
GN0010 Nosferatu Where's the monoeye? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hargenteen Age: 35	Over Realdo anyone? I like the aesthetics, but...it seems mecha designers in 00 can't shake off making an MS's gun look like a certain body part...>.< But...the rifle looks better than most S/VMS rifles, so it's not all that bad.