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Of course it's equally possible that Terry Jones is just pawn in all this To be honest, I don't know whose behind this. However, I've never seen Islamicists use such a cynical tactic before. It doesn't feel like the sort of thing they'd do. Call it a gut feeling, but I don't think it's a Muslim Extremist who made this. Regardless, the mysterious Sam Basile was an agent provocateur. He made this film specifically to create hatred and violence. |
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2012-09-12, 20:57 | Link #23423 | |
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If this was indeed made to invite hateful reactions as seen in Egypt and Lybia, it's even more baffling how many people took the bait without a second thought. Hence my previous statement: having second thoughts is not a forte in that region. |
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2012-09-12, 21:03 | Link #23426 |
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US sends Marines to Libya after deadly attack
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-12-20-33-45 La marine américaine envoie deux navires vers la Libye ( US Navy send 2 ship toward Libya ) http://www.lapresse.ca/international...s-la-libye.php ( article in french) So they send a moderate force, the marine force being a anti-terrorist group are to protect the embassy in Tripoly and 2 destroyer aren't such big threat even if they could launch some cruise missiles or refuel some choppers. I don't think than such effectifs would be enough for a big op. They could still try, if they have some target(s) to ''reply with tomahawk'' like in the Clinton era but it isn't much likely.
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2012-09-12, 21:17 | Link #23429 |
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If the FBI is as good as they say it is, they should be able to find that bastard in no time. Just with the charges of diffusing hateful content over the internet, that guy is good to serve time in jail.
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2012-09-12, 21:18 | Link #23430 |
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I believe if I heard right, the US is actively seeking the *specific* individuals involved with the attack with the help of the local government. That isn't "attacking the Muslim world" or "retaliating", etc. That is treating them like the criminals they are, instead of letting them claim themselves as "warriors" or whatever bogus rot they may be asserting.
I suppose they could try for "inciting a riot" with the dangerous idiots who made the film. But I like to focus on people who *actually hurt* other people. The attackers had plenty of non-violent choices to respond with but chose the "two year old tantrum with a gun"...
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2012-09-12, 21:23 | Link #23431 | |
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And I trust the Obama administration on these matters more than I would a Romney administration. I trust the Obama administration and democrats on this so much more. The Obama administration is trying to work with the local government. I'm afraid that the GOP responding to something like this would be with more force and aggression, which is not what we would need for something like this; Not. at. all.
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2012-09-12, 21:34 | Link #23432 |
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My opinion of the general media in the US drops on a daily basis. They don't even seem to consult *dictionaries* any more when choosing words to use. They seem to use a "flamebait" guide or something -- gets more eyeballs to view the ads I guess.
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2012-09-12, 21:46 | Link #23433 |
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From what I've seen so far, the Assault on the embassy, and murder of the diplomats, may have been separate from the riots, and pre-planned.
The plot thickens. I'll stand by what I've said earlier, making a film to ignite anti-west feelings doesn't seem to be the style of Islamicists. Attacking embassies, of course, is. My guess at the moment, is that the director's knowledge of Arabic may be due to him being an Egyptian Copt, but not a muslim. There's a fair number of Copts out there with an axe to grind. Though, on the flip side, the film does seem to noticeably contain "heroic" Egyptian Christians. This film is a complete enigma. If it's made by a radical Muslim, I doubt he's linked to radical jihadis. As I said, this kind of thing is too cynical for them. @Urzu7: I think Islamicists are all for crazy martyrdom tactics (including your self infection example), but cynically pretending to make a film in order to incite people to violence. It doesn't feel like their style, because they've consistently shown themselves to believe their own bullcrap. They've never done something this circular and cynical. Likewise, when I initially heard of the Breivik attacks in Norway, while many were speculating that it was Islamic extremists, my gut instinct told me this was not so, as Islamicists don't tend to use the kind of tactics Breivik used(namely mass shootings and anonymous bombings). I think the same will be borne out here. |
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once we know who the money man is then we know who is behind it all.
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2012-09-12, 22:06 | Link #23435 |
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Ironic thing is that I was just rewatching FMA Brotherhood and the whole stuff about an obscure force creating uprising situations as the excuse for Amestris to send their troops to make more bloodshed while the country cut all ties with its neighbors. Indeed, a reaction from the Romney administration would be your typical Amestrian approach.
At least, I trust Obama in working things out with local governments just like several Democrat predecessors did before him. After all, Bill Clinton faced the same problems before, didn't he? |
2012-09-12, 22:12 | Link #23436 | |
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Also, the embassy attack happened on September 11th or September 12th? It could be related to the anniversary of September 11th. A planned terrorist plot having nothing to do with the outrage over the film.
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2012-09-12, 22:14 | Link #23437 | |
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The attacks were made yesterday (September 11). Perhaps a coincidence or it might have been planned too. |
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2012-09-12, 22:33 | Link #23438 | |
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This is hardly the "happy ending" of the tragedy; I'm sure in the coming months convictions will be flowing in, if Cameron is serious about his apology. Not small; at least 10%, and historically important. They literally were always there before the Muslims. However, the majority leaders of Egyptian Copts are moving in solidarity with their Muslim countrymen. This may have been a self-defense reaction to prevent the majority from conducting the witchhunt, now that some leads point to a potential involvement of an American Copt. Tensions have been high since the chaos of the revolution, with the Copts distrusting the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood's intentions. |
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2012-09-12, 22:43 | Link #23439 |
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Not that small. The CIA Factbook estimates Copts represent 9% of the Egyptian population, or about seven million people. (Whoops, Irenicus beat me to it while I was busy reading the weather forecast for the Senkaku islands!)
Japanese Government Considered Eight Plans for Senkakus, Chose Least Assertive The Noda Government has offered two billion yen (about $25 million) to the private owners of the three islands it will purchase from their current owner. The owner had to be persuaded not to sell them to the Tokyo Metropolitan Government as proposed by Ishihara. It wasn't clear whether a bidding war had taken place, nor why Ishihara did not try harder to enforce Plan D described below, which he claimed was the minimum required for the TMG to withdraw its proposal to purchase the islands instead. Meanwhile the Government came up with eight plans for what it might do with these newly-acquired chunks of rock, ranked according to how threatening they would be to China and Taiwan. Plan A, which was eventually adopted, calls for doing nothing. Noda himself favored Plan C which would have repaired a lighthouse on one of the islands. Plan D would have implemented Ishihara's plan to build a facility to shelter fishing boats. Noda apparently gave that some serious consideration as well, much to the consternation of his Foreign Secretary and the diplomatic staff. Eventually the Prime Minister was persuaded to adopt Plan A. Ishihara's opinions were not reported. Plan H called for the stationing of members of the Self-Defense Force on the islands 24/7. In a masterpiece of understatement, the Foreign Ministry staff who drew up the options included a note that read "It is hard to foresee how strongly China and Taiwan would oppose this." In other news, the Chinese Meterological Administration has begun publishing the weather forecast for the Diaoyu, as they call them. They already publish forecasts for the weather in the area around the various other disputed islands in the South China Sea. Today's forecast for the Senkakus, according to the Wall Street Journal, was "partly cloudy with a chance of patrol boats." The comments to this article make for some disturbing reading.
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