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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 31 | 11.19% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 3.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 5.78% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 15 | 5.42% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 14 | 5.05% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 11 | 3.97% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 3.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.89% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 13 | 4.69% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 151 | 54.51% | |
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2009-08-02, 08:53 | Link #421 | |
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I agree with a lot of this. Very astute observations, I think. Once people leave a show they often forget to, or simply never get around to, coming back. They move on to new interests and forget old interests. For myself, this was true of Bleach, the InuYasha anime, and most recently, Rental Magica (I just lost interest in it about half-way through). One of my closer friends was like this for Nanoha Striker S, and a couple of Gundams. I really don't think that Haruhi is immune to this. On an artistic level, Endless Eight going eight episodes has always struck many of us as a possibility - hoped against but a realistic worst-case scenario (for those of us against this arc concept). If we go pass eight episodes... the next best artistic-based prediction is that Endless Eight will not end until the last Haruhi episode in August ends (August being the eighth month and the end of Summer)... in other words, the entire season is shot. So, I think that you're right that, in the event that this arc doesn't end in the next episode, there will be a huge burst of rage... followed with a lot of people just leaving for good. At the moment, I think I personally would continue to endure, but I'm not sure. Right now, and for whatever reason, I feel pretty confident that Endless Eight will end with the next episode. It's just a very strong sense I have - a sense that these art teams are simply trying too hard for this to be a deliberate attempt to kill the anime, and also a sense that surely the creative decision makers aren't reckless enough to go for more than eight episodes of this when even their own art teams are poking fun at it now. So, should they do the unthinkable... it's hard to know for certain how I'd react to that. The only thing I will say, though - once people get into a groove; get into a weekly routine; it can be hard to break out of it. In a sad masochistic way I'm actually starting to get use to this Endless Eight weekly disappointment... |
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2009-08-02, 09:10 | Link #422 |
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I don't think people will "leave for good"... they might leave for an arc... maybe for the season... but, whenever they decide to animate the Disappearance Arc... it's gonna be just like the return of Classic Coke...
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2009-08-02, 09:56 | Link #424 |
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To be completely honest... I have no idea why people are raging... there is nothing you can do at this point... it's been in production for 3 years... the episodes are made... all you can really do is have faith that KyoAni/Kadokawa/whoever knows what they are doing and have something big planned to turn it all around...
Maybe, I'd understand the rage if this was the end of the season and everything was all said and done... but I'll wait until everything plays out and then make my decision... |
2009-08-02, 10:23 | Link #425 | |
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The main thing is, for most people, there was never a whole lot of exposure to Haruhi in the first place, so the hankering for Haruhi "Classic" may never set in, since they never acquired an overpowering taste for it in the first place. |
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2009-08-02, 10:46 | Link #428 | ||
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In any case, the show was indeed popular with both otaku and casual fans, but it was only because the latter party showed a bit of interest that it became a candidate for a second season, which, from what I understand, isn't often done with a show like Haruhi that relies almost solely on DVD sales for profit. Endless Eight has already gone beyond what a reasonably patient casual fan can tolerate; but at this point, even such a fan might come back. But give him a bad enough taste in his mouth and he will forswear the stuff and tell all his friends to do the same. Quote:
That's about as plain a summary as I can provide. |
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2009-08-02, 10:50 | Link #429 | |
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...Every episode since then (7 and counting now; there will be at least 8 in total) is an Endless Eight episode. Endless Eight refers to an end-of-summer time loop that the SOS Brigade went through over 10,000 times. In the Haruhi books, we only see the final concluding loop of the time loop - in the Haruhi books, Endless Eight is only 30 pages long. KyoAni and/or Kadokawa decided to show at least eight different loops from the >10000 loops. So, we've basically been watching the same episode over and over again, only with some minor dialogue changes, and significant visual changes, from one loop shown (in one episode) to the next loop shown (in the next episode). Think of Groundhog Day, but with far less variance between the loops. So... Episode 1 - Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody Episodes 2 through 8 - Endless Eight (still ongoing) Endless Eight is all that people are talking about because, aside from Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody from several weeks back, it's all there is to talk about. I hope that answers your question satisfactorily. |
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2009-08-02, 10:50 | Link #430 |
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To say it short: There are 8 episodes, the dialogue in all 8 is the same. Everything that happens in every episode is the same as the episode before and the after. Practically: your watching the same episode 8 times over. With the only difference that they're wearing other outfits. Nothing else.
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2009-08-02, 11:06 | Link #433 | |
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2009-08-02, 12:35 | Link #435 | |
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2009-08-02, 14:05 | Link #436 |
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... You do realize "New Coke" was one of the most expensive and quickly failing product launches ever, correct? Pepsi saw it's largest sales gain in the history of the company during this period of time, it was one of the most famous and largest marketing disasters ever. They were able to recover because they quickly admitted fault and reintroduced the old formula but the idea that it was all part of a llarger plan to get people to talk about Coke again is laughable considering how expensive the entire episode was for them.
The difference with Haruhi of course is that they haven't apologized nor done anything to accommodate the fanbase, I'm willing to bet any damage to the brand from this episode is permanent. Not crippling, but I doubt even when they go back to "Good" material that we'll ever see sales like we used to. Disappearance probably won't even sell as well as the first season of Clannad (Hell, E8 might not even do as well as Haruhi-chan), assuming we ever get it. |
2009-08-02, 17:09 | Link #439 | |
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Anyone who's had a sugar-based Coke from a non-US source (typically Mexico) usually comes to think of the corn syrup Coke as hogswill. Corn syrup is nasty stuff and has been injected in almost *everything* as filler and sweetener. There's considerable coincidence between its prevalent use and the avalanche of US morbid obesity. (In the US, corn syrup is cheaper than sugar due to corporate subsidies to the corn agricultural industry (e.g. ADM Corp.) -ahem- Whatever we think of the "artistic merits" of the Haruhi situation, its clear that at least to many Western viewers -- its been an amazing miscalculated failure. My sources in Japan say that the otaku they've heard are still taking a "wait and see how it plays out" attitude.
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2009-08-02, 18:04 | Link #440 |
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A franchise, returning after a long hiatus, disappoints longtime fans with new material of inferior quality? This has NEVER happened before!
In all seriousness, though... the best thing Kyoani can do at this point is animate the next season in a timely fashion (i.e. a year or less), preferably with the style and quality of the first season. That will appeal to fan's nostalgia for the 'good old Haruhi'. |
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