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Youre only making yourself sound uneducated and further proving my point that Kuroshitsuji is BOTH an anime and a cartoon |
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I don't even know what Kuroshitsuji is.
The original, technical usage of 'cartoon' (in modern times) was never related to animation. It referred to the comic strips found on newspapers and such, and was associated with exaggerated, humorous drawings often highlighting a social issue of the moment. The term shifts to animation because of the undeniable influence this artstyle had in early attempts at it (think Felix the Cat and the first B&W Disney shorts). Nowadays the connotation of the word is still related to this approach to design and slapstick, separating it from other animation. This is why you say that an expression or design is 'cartoony' as opposed to realistic. You are trying to appeal to a technicality that doesn't exist. Language evolves and you should adapt to it if you want to communicate properly; if this didn't happen, the term 'cartoon' wouldn't be associated with animation at all, because it wasn't conceived for it in the first place. |
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2013-10-27, 19:39 | Link #145 |
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I guess ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon. Even CGI. I usually associate 2D animation with the word " cartoon" though. And Kuroshitsuji is an anime about a midget named Ciel with a starry eye. It is both an anime and a cartoon, like all anime.
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2013-10-27, 21:01 | Link #146 | |
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At least we can agree on one thing: every anime is a cartoon, since anime by definition are just animated products with a Japanese origin. Some people go out of their way to say that "anime aren't cartoons" just because they're different in mood or direction, which I think is silly. However, your claim that CGI doesn't make a cartoon is dubious. Do you seriously think that something like Over the Hedge in all its silly cartoony glory is not a cartoon just because it's computer-animated? What about those Japanese animations that are completely CGI, like Arpeggio of Blue Steel and Rakuen Tsuiho? Do they not count as anime, just because they are CGI? |
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2013-10-27, 21:39 | Link #150 |
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Well, would you really call Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within a cartoon?
It's entirely CGI. IMDb lists it as "animation". However, this movie is clearly a case of trying to have CGI capture a live-action look as closely as possible (at the time).
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Has anyone seen Who framed Roger Rabbit? How do we classify that?
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2013-11-04, 23:52 | Link #154 | |
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I'm not trying to state facts about the meaning of certain terms. I just think 'cartoon' has a more specific connotation than just "something that is animated", when said in casual conversation. Of course in any serious analysis about different approaches to animation I wouldn't like to see (or use) any of these loaded terms like 'cartoon' or 'anime'. 'Animation' is good and clear-cut. As I said before, you're here to 'enlighten' people with facts that aren't really correct or precise, because if we wanted to be anal about semantics, we would eradicate nebulous terms like cartoon. |
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2013-11-05, 23:44 | Link #155 |
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Whether it's right or wrong, I tend to agree that "animation" can be perceived as the more generic term, with "cartoon" leaning more towards "Western-style animation" and "anime" leaning more towards "Japanese animation". But when it comes right down to it, you could probably make an argument that, within the given culture, each is just a colloquial term for animation, so in the West all animation might be considered cartoons, and in Japan all animation is anime (all the Disney/Pixar movies are listed on Amazon JP under "Kids Anime/Movies"). There's probably legitimacy there, but it also renders the terms a bit meaningless for regular conversation.
In the end, though, you can get so wrapped up in arguments about terms, and it really leads nowhere.
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my personal interpretation on all this is that Japan never has had anything
like an equivalent to U.S. HOLLYWOOD. they have comparatively little capacity for producing live-action cinema anything at all like the technical quality of U.S. motion picture productions. as such, Japan refined and developed Animation to take the place of this cultural shortcoming, refining the medium along the way into it's own unique work of art. further, the Japanese style of storytelling seems to lend itself part and parcel to the animation medium. you take a look at 90% or more of what Japan has produced in the last 50 years in terms of live-action films; you'll be guaranteed to see storytelling that just does not seem to work well in the live-action medium. more often than not, such storytelling functions to great effect in animation, but almost invariably makes for strong B at best couched in a live-action medium. moreover, physical space is also a major hindrance towards domestic Japanese live-action film productions, something infinitely more manageable with animation. in sum, the way i personally see it, "Anime" is, was always meant to be, and is most likely to remain Japan's preeminent Audio/Visual storytelling medium for the various reasons cited above. their own "HOLLYWOOD" for better or worse. no one singular nation on earth is master of everything, but some are especially talented in specific areas, whilst others sometimes less so. "Comics" and "Animation" is something Japan just so happens to be especially talented at, by necessity, at least in the industry's early days...
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The U.S. has been the most successful at this with their films, TV, music and so on. Japan used to be quite strong at all of these: their works were copied and spread throughout most of Asia in the '50s to ''80s. They even had a fair bit of influence in Western countries. The strength of this influence has fallen off quite a lot, and the places where they were successful are better at it now than Japan is. Anime and manga are distinct exceptions although I think that Korea is catching up strongly. Quote:
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