Madoka Magica - General Discussion

[Sheba]

I find it amazing that people still replies to roriconfan when he have stated earlier in another subforum that #1. he does not watch ongoing series and draws his conclusions from forums and blogs. #2. He have admitted to post mostly to rile up people and stir up conflicts.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I find it amazing that people still replies to roriconfan when he have stated earlier in another subforum that #1. he does not watch ongoing series and draws his conclusions from forums and blogs. #2. He have admitted to post mostly to rile up people and stir up conflicts.

Like I would know that... >_>

Nice trolling he does.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Like I would know that... >_>

Nice trolling he does.

You are right, it's unfair of me to expect others to know who the more questionable people are, and their modus operandi

At least I can hope that people in this subforum can now ignore his ramblings.

[Hagoshod]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

2) As for the trust worthy girls who accept powers in every show, please notice how they do it WHILE they are under attack by monsters. So in a way they do it to save themselves because the alternative would mean death. And with no wish attached as an extra bonus as well.

Usagi decided to become Sailor Moon when a talking cat walked into her room and gave her a brooch.

Mami decided to become a Magical Girl because she would have died in a car accident if she hadn't.

You tell me which one was more desperate.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Madoka replacing EVA... blasphemy!

NO IT'S NOT. atleast for me. XP

Maybe it has something to do with time, and i forgot how irreplaceable EVA is to me.. but this very moment, I'm leaning more to Madoka. XD shoot me but i won't take it back. it's my opinion after all. XD

I STILL love EVA(esp. EoE) though. XD

[omimon]

Spoiler:

First time Kyoko was drawn by aoki sensei I believe.

[Triple_R]

I recently came across a blog that was somewhat critical of Madoka Magica, and I have to admit, it makes some good points.

You can find it here.

Now, I don't agree with everything wrote in that blog (I strongly disagree on the anime's pacing, for example) but I think some decent points are raised pertaining to Kyoko and Sayaka's character development.

What do people think of this blog's analysis of Madoka Magica (up to Episode 8, anyway)?

[sa547]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I recently came across a blog that was somewhat critical of Madoka Magica, and I have to admit, it makes some good points.

You can find it here.

Now, I don't agree with everything wrote in that blog (I strongly disagree on the anime's pacing, for example) but I think some decent points are raised pertaining to Kyoko and Sayaka's character development.

What do people think of this blog's analysis of Madoka Magica (up to Episode 8, anyway)?

You mean this?
http://www.thatanimeblog.com/index.p...ying-urobuchi/

Apparently he got himself in a little too deep, IMHO did too much of analyzing, and then wondered where the storyline was heading, and was apparently frustrated perhaps with the characters.

Damn, I feel the need to cut out that excess fat with an Occam Razor and get on with a simple conclusion: he doesn't like it, on the basis of the lack of repeated viewing to get the whole picture.

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

What do people think of this blog's analysis of Madoka Magica (up to Episode 8, anyway)?

He does have points, but emphasizes on the negative ones. It's one way to see it, but I disagree with many if not most of the things pointed out. I also don't like how he generalizes some things. And it's apparently needed to mention how Urobuchi is included in this, it only represents his kind of expectations towards this show (that no one cares about). It's like debating about a thread within a thread.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I find it amazing that people still replies to roriconfan when he have stated earlier in another subforum that #1. he does not watch ongoing series and draws his conclusions from forums and blogs. #2. He have admitted to post mostly to rile up people and stir up conflicts.

Originally Posted by Sheba

You are right, it's unfair of me to expect others to know who the more questionable people are, and their modus operandi

At least I can hope that people in this subforum can now ignore his ramblings.

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

Usagi decided to become Sailor Moon when a talking cat walked into her room and gave her a brooch.

Mami decided to become a Magical Girl because she would have died in a car accident if she hadn't.

You tell me which one was more desperate.

unfortunately reading comprehension seems to be a lost art.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

unfortunately reading comprehension seems to be a lost art.

To be fair, english is not my native language, so I can have trouble and I need to reread somethings to check if I have gotten it well. Then in debates I have a tendency to let my temper get the better of me.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I recently came across a blog that was somewhat critical of Madoka Magica, and I have to admit, it makes some good points.

You can find it here.

Now, I don't agree with everything wrote in that blog (I strongly disagree on the anime's pacing, for example) but I think some decent points are raised pertaining to Kyoko and Sayaka's character development.

What do people think of this blog's analysis of Madoka Magica (up to Episode 8, anyway)?

All I could think of when reading that was "wow, internet tough guy". I can't really see his pessimism, he's basically acting like a very jaded person who expected one thing and got another. I don't think episode 9 would have changed his mind much. He's way to wrapped up in over-generalizations.

First off, Sayaka. He acts like her breakdown was illogical because she was so strong and mature in early episodes. I thought it was pretty clear that she puts up a self righteous and stubborn front to mask her doubts. She is a character that denies herself the truth until it is forced upon her. She's stupid, she's a fool. She isn't true to herself, but tries to fight for "truth and justice". It's obvious that someone like that will fall hard, fast, and for (to us) the "silliest" of reasons.

Second, Kyouko. I almost agree with him. However Kyouko's actions as a Magical Girl tie directly into Sayaka's fall and her own back story. This of course makes much more sense when you see the episode 9 dialogue. The Soul Gem and Witch revelations shook her up pretty badly, she changed quickly because of Sayaka and how it mirrored herself.

Madoka has changed, just not as noticeably. I'm tired of people jumping on her for being weak and whiny, not doing anything. She has done a lot in the story despite being "normal" compared to everyone else. If you compare the Madoka of the first three or so episodes to now, she is more thoughtful, wiser, and tougher. So she grieves for the loss of her friends, even more now that she realizes why they died. So what? It's hardly something to be ashamed of.

Homura is just getting more desperate. The emotionless uninvolved person who thought she had a handle on things starts becoming more involved and emotional as her mission becomes more difficult. Who'd have thought?

And then of course the blogger bitches about how Yuki's music is tiring, how Gen "could do better", etc. It just reads like someone nitpicking about how they would have done it better but not really offering any explanation of what they'd do.

Honestly people like that blogger are one of the reasons I tend to avoid blogs in the first place.

[totoum]

Oh I remember that blogger,at least he's credditing Urobuchi with the story, back when he blogged episode 2 he didn't mention Urobuchi anywhere so someone said:

Just a note, but Gen Urobuchi is the one writing the script, not Shinbo.

and the blogger replied:

He’s writing the script, but he didn’t come up with the original work to begin with. There’s a difference. It’s kind of like the difference between the “Original Character Designer” (Aoki Ume), and the “Character Designer” (Kishida Takahiro).

Also back then he said:

What does Shinbo need to do to make Madoka a masterpiece?(...). If he can create a wonderfully optimistic piece out of the pessimism that he’s put in place beginning with these two episodes, I’ll give Madoka the title of masterpiece. At least in my books.

[Crontica]

Some people should not be blogging in the first place, coupled with not enough anime titles on your belt to make a sound decision about what may appear stupid to newcomers at the time, but reasonable in hindsight.

[MaiNoKen]

Originally Posted by Solace

Honestly people like that blogger are one of the reasons I tend to avoid blogs in the first place.

Different people will always have different opinions on different things. They will talk about here, or at their personal blog, or somewhere else (Twitter or something). As long as you like it (for a good reasonable reason), isn't that the most important ?

[Solace]

Originally Posted by MaiNoKen

Different people will always have different opinions on different things. They will talk about here, or at their personal blog, or somewhere else (Twitter or something). As long as you like it (for a good reasonable reason), isn't that the most important ?

Hehe, touche. I don't disagree with that. It's just that I find many people who blog write with a degree of opinion that comes across unbalanced. For example this guy, I might have not been so put off by his pessimism if he balanced it with some optimism, or at least some humor. Instead I just felt annoyed at reading a bitch fest from someone who comes across as myopic and self important.

[roriconfan]

Originally Posted by fukarming

LOGH had way more and much bigger holes compare to Madoka - that didn't make LOGH a bad show.

Well LOGH admitted to be full of ignorant and stupid ADULT people doing all sorts of mistakes with technology playing very little in the actual plot.

Madoka is magic-based imposed by an alien race which plans to destroy the world with the power some little girls generate.

Nope, LOGH does a much better job.

Originally Posted by applejuice

and nothing of series's value is lost. Those things are all meaningless.

Internal logic hardly is meaningless to me.

Originally Posted by applejuice

Madoka has much less amount of these unexplained parts than any other story driven animations I've seen recently.

And which of those recent animations you refer to were not random ecchi comedies or storyless slices of life?

Originally Posted by applejuice

You do know how Homura was saving Madoka multiple times just to avoid that situation?

No I don't know. The first time she saved her was in episode 3. Would she normally have become a magic girl there?

Originally Posted by Sheba

I find it amazing that people still replies to roriconfan when he have stated earlier in another subforum that #1. he does not watch ongoing series and draws his conclusions from forums and blogs. #2. He have admitted to post mostly to rile up people and stir up conflicts.

Haters' haters gonna hate XD. And no, I'm still here to ruin all your lives with my flames and trolls. Seriously, am I that evil?

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

Usagi decided to become Sailor Moon when a talking cat walked into her room and gave her a brooch.

Mami decided to become a Magical Girl because she would have died in a car accident if she hadn't.

You tell me which one was more desperate.

Usagi did it to save her friend's life AND indirectly her own. Somewhat the same actually.

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And I won't make my own blog when I can just post my hate here XD. Here is my opinions of the show so far.

Spoiler for KEY EVENTS:

Episode 1: Madoka finds QB who is chased by Homura. She gets saved by Mami from a witch's maze. It was a nice first episode with the glass school and weird animations in the maze. I liked it a lot; really.
Grade: A

Episode 2: Mami explains to Madoka and Sayaka how the fuss with witches and their eggs works and how a wish can make them magical girls too. It was an explanatory episode so I don't hate it either. What I disliked was how the battles had no choreography at all. I mean, was Mami fighting or just drinking tea? That was so random… Which is a minor issue to focus on the action in such a series but on the other hand DO SHOW HOW THEY BEAT WITCHES IN ORDER TO SAVE LIVES. It is not REALLY an unimportant part either.
Grade: B

Episode 3: Mami reveals her past and gets killed… in the same episode she gets fleshed out??? The girls are then saved by Homura. Second last-moment-save that is. I never understood why Mami couldn't beat the witch while Homura did. I mean she WAS rather experienced and the witch WAS just formed. Was it pure talent on part of the witch? And what exactly am I supposed to believe here, that Homura defeated that witch by freezing time and placing bombs in her place when the monster tried to eat her?
Grade: B

Episode 4: Madoka brainlessly goes to fight a witch without any plan at all, other than “being too good to not go”. Man, this is the stuff gang-rape hentais are made of… Sayaka makes her wish and becomes a magical girl. Madoka gets last-moment-saved by her for a third time. So what, was that witch super weak to be beaten by a rookie? Power levels are so weird…
Grade: B

Episode 5: Sakura comes and trashes Sayaka and goes all bitch with her ideals. Sayaka gets last-moment-saved (trope used for the 4th time in 5 episodes) by Homura.
Grade: B

Episode 6: Madoka throws away Sayaka's jewel in order to prevent her from fighting again and is revealed how their souls are trapped inside. Sayaka is again last-moment-saved (5th time in 6 episodes) by Homura. Nice twist with the souls but seriously SO WHAT? For all we know and they feel, they are still living normal lives. And the last-moment-save got really annoying.
Grade: C

Episode 7: Sakura reveals her past. Overblown drama aside, this was an ok episode. Only thing, Sakura turning from I WILL KILL YOU ALL AND DIP FISH BISCUITS IN YOUR BLOOD to YOU ARE MY FRIENDS was rather sudden for just one episode. They should have made her turn around go smoother.
Grade: B

Episode 8: Homura reveals stuff about QB, Sayaka snaps after seeing how the world is full of bad apples and refusing to purify her jewel with witch eggs. And this is where the downfall of the series begins. Homura was going along with such a plan so far instead of just trying to warn the girls and comes from another time on top of that??? F-ing BS. And of course her charisma was minus 10 if she couldn't just explain all that to her for all these episodes. And she doesn’t affect the events too much because she may not be able to predict what will follow??? If she knew so much, she would have stopped QB and not allow him to meet Madoka in the first place. Homura came to CHANGE THE OUTCOME. So who cares about predicting anything? If she doesn't know what will happen, it means she won. And for all I see so far, killing Madoka will save the Earth from QB's evil plans. So WTF, why does she want to protect her? Just let her be eaten. Or kill her yourself Homura! Plus; time freeze owns everything. Amongst the most broken powers ever. Too bad she DIDN'T F-ING USE IT TO KILL QB. Good help it did for coming from the future; she didn’t even know he was immortal.
Grade: D

Episode 9: That was the most BULLSHIT REVELATION IN RECENT HISTORY !!!

I bet he gave them pointers...
Stop trying to reason the story. Entropy does not work like that and the aliens’ plan is retarded as hell.
Grade: F

[Solace]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Haters' haters gonna hate XD. And no, I'm still here to ruin all your lives with my flames and trolls. Seriously, am I that evil

You didn't actually watch the show did you.

[ruurguy]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Haters' haters gonna hate XD. And no, I'm still here to ruin all your lives with my flames and trolls. Seriously, am I that evil?

Evil? Nope, but you are a troll I guess from what other people say. I haven't really looked at your posts otherwise, so I'll just argue a few points for now.

Spoiler for Forgot which thread I was in. Replying to roriconfan.:

Episode 8: Homura reveals stuff about QB, Sayaka snaps after seeing how the world is full of bad apples and refusing to purify her jewel with witch eggs. And this is where the downfall of the series begins. Homura was going along with such a plan so far instead of just trying to warn the girls and comes from another time on top of that??? F-ing BS. And of course her charisma was minus 10 if she couldn't just explain all that to her for all these episodes. And she doesn’t affect the events too much because she may not be able to predict what will follow??? If she knew so much, she would have stopped QB and not allow him to meet Madoka in the first place. Homura came to CHANGE THE OUTCOME. So who cares about predicting anything? If she doesn't know what will happen, it means she won. And for all I see so far, killing Madoka will save the Earth from QB's evil plans. So WTF, why does she want to protect her? Just let her be eaten. Or kill her yourself Homura! Plus; time freeze owns everything. Amongst the most broken powers ever. Too bad she DIDN'T F-ING USE IT TO KILL QB. Good help it did for coming from the future; she didn’t even know he was immortal.
Grade: D

Homura did try to stop QB from ever meeting Madoka. That's why it was killing him in episode 1. Of course telepathic bs + being in the area foiled that plan. If Homura did say that stuff, what is to make Madoka believe her? Sayaka already hates her so she certainly wasn't going to believe anything Homura says. Yeah maybe her charisma is -10 or whatever you are saying, maybe she could have come up with something better. I dunno though. Not everyone can look like the sane one by saying they are a time traveler from the future and that QB has this evil plan when Mami had already influenced Madoka and Sayaka the other way in eps 1-3. Also there is almost certainly a reason why Homura doesn't want to kill Madoka but let her have a happy and normal life. That is almost certainly going to be in episode 10 or 11. If Homura's goal was solely to stop walpurgis night then yes killing Madoka would have been easily done. The whole point is NOT about stopping walpurgis night or the end of the world, her goal is specifically to SAVE MADOKA. There's probably a non-zero possibility that Homura would let the rest of the world die if it saved Madoka, that's the extent of her single mindedness in her goal. Of course would make Madoka sad so she's trying to save the world too I guess. As for killing QB, she did use her timestop power to save Madoka from making a contract and shot up QB like 10 times in this very episode. For all we know there is 10 billion QB's out there that all basically do the same role. So can't exactly kill them all.

Episode 9: That was the most BULLSHIT REVELATION IN RECENT HISTORY !!!
I bet he gave them pointers...
Stop trying to reason the story. Entropy does not work like that and the aliens’ plan is retarded as hell.
Grade: F

Substitute whatever magical force that is threatening to destroy the universe for entropy. Happy? It is just a plot device that Gen decided to go sci-fi on. That's my view on it.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I recently came across a blog that was somewhat critical of Madoka Magica, and I have to admit, it makes some good points.

You can find it here.

Oh sheesh, the Mystlord rant. This was a completely terrible and amazingly oblivious critique of an anime he can't have watched closely. He's wrong on pretty much every development (there were multiple takedowns of his posting here, including one of mine).

Of course, his shotgun approach had a few valid observations (shoot 100 pellets, and 2-3 are gonna hit by default), but overall - especially in his main points - he's been completely off the mark.