[Manga] Chapter 378 Discussion

[Hunter]

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[shaselai]

cant wait!

[X_Danny_X]

first possible spoiler/credit goes to a few folks that translate this stuff.

i dont know why or the reason for using the spoiler tag here in this thread but everybody seems to be doing it so i will use it too to stay out of trouble with the mods.

Spoiler:

Cover shows long hair Pain and fat Pain

Stirring up - Fearsome Eyes...!


Jiraiya: The three of them sharing the eyes...so it means...
Sennin Ma: We can only reduce the enemy one at a time
Sennin Pa: However, we can't do anything, with them sharing the Eye...
Jiraiya looking at fat Pain's direction.

<some bit of text jumbled up here>
Jiraiya's thoughts: the big guy absorbs jutsus. Therefore...
Jiraiya: We shall use power and speed to fight
Jiraiya gathered chakra at his feet.
In a split second, he swerved behind the fat guy.
Jiraiya: Senpou - Senninshou!! (or "Saboten" a.k.a cactus, if pun is intended)
Jiraiya's fist grew bigger. He sank the attack into the fat guy's stomach and the impact threw him into the air.
Pain: you've become much quicker...but...
The fat guy then stood up amidst the sand and smoke.
Though Jiraiya's attack had created a dent in his stomach, it inflated back to normal.
Jiraiya: If taijutsu is useless...
Sennin Ma: it's as if he's an immortal...
The next moment, Jiraiya was hit and he was in the air.
Jiraiya: owww...!
Jiraiya made a big collision into the wall.
As he raised his head to look, the long hair Pain appeared with engorged fists.
Jiraiya's thoughts: ...!
Pain: you don't have the time to be surprised.
Long hair Pain's hairs transformed into hair-like senbon needles.
Jiraiya somehow managed to dodge it.
The exchange between long hair Pain and Jiraiya ensued.
Pain and fat Pain watched from a distance.
Jiraiya's thoughts: We cannot let them watch...
With that, Jiraiya led long hair Pain away to continue with the duel.


Sennin Ma: For now, this guy absorbs jutsu...
Sennin Ma looks at fat guy.
Sennin Pa: this guy copies Jiraiya chan's movements and jutsus it seems...
Jiraiya: and this guy...
Jiraiya looks at Pain.
Pain is closing his palms together...
A scorpion appears above Jiraiya.
Jiraiya disposed of the scorpion easily using Rasengan.
Jiraiya: kuchiyose
Scorpion became twice the size.
Sennin Pa: Engorgement kuchiyose...! This is troublesome
Sennin Ma: stop complaining. Use the Three Great Senpou (Sennin techniques) to finish this in one shot.
Jiraiya: ...!
Sennin Ma: First of all, Katon (fire technique)
Sennin Pa: Are you serious...?
Sennin Ma: Start preparing now...!
The seal enbodied the Sennins and Jiraiya.
Pain: ...
Fat guy moved forward.
Jiraiya's face turned pitch-black.
Jiraiya: Senpou - Katon: Attack of the downpour of red plum fire!!
Sennins emitted fire from mouths.
Jiraiya executed Fuuton (Wind technique) from mouth.
The fiery dragon engulfed the surroundings with fire.
The scorpion was burnt up and destroyed.
Pain's thoughts: Such power within this area...
After a while, the fire trail disappeared. From the fire, a huge shell appeared...
Pain and long hair guy stepped out of it.

The clam disappears.
Fat guy was defeated after being engulfed by the flames.
Pain: The jutsu could not be absorbed completely it seems...
A large hole suddenly opened up from the ground.
Pain: !
Pain and long hair guy were sucked into the hole.
Jiraiya: This is summoned when you guys were being surrounded in the flames. This hole connects to the eight levels of hell.
Pain summoned the Yamata no Orochi (legendary snake with eight heads and eight tails, its size is that of "eight valleys and eight mountain peaks")
The snake's head acted like a bridge within the hole.
Long hair guy fell into the abyss.
Sennin Ma: The troublesome one is still there.
Jiraiya: We can sink him in one stroke.
With that, Jiraiya clasped his palms together.
Jiraiya: Senpou - Doton (Earth Technique): Daikousen! (Great Underworld)
However, Pain could not be sunked into the ground completely.
Jiraiya: Daikousen is said to be able to sink everything on the surface of earth, even so, he cannot be sucked in completely...
Sennin Ma: How about Wind technique?
Jiraiya: Wind technique will be deployed as the decisive move. After using that, my chakra will be depleted.
Pain showed some movements that indicated him having noticed something.
Pain: Sensei...sorry but the game ends here. I will show you the true power of this Eye...
The number of rings in Pain's Rin'negan increased.

Stirring up - Rin'negan! It's true power shown...now!

[Kowai]

great chapter if the spoiler is correct.
However it also looks like the end of jiraiya <( 8*-*(( )
atleast he goes out in the best fight seen yet

[naruto89]

doesnt seem so legit there's seems to be a pattern for the spoliers the real spoiler always seems to come out late wednesday with a very brief summary late night but there never this in depth,

but i may be wrong

btw there's a second spoiler

[Ero-Senn1n]

If the spoiler is true this chapter will be awesome both in manga drawing and in animation in the anime (if the anime team shows their best side, like they did in the case of the Chiyo-Sakura vs Sasori fight finale).

[X_Danny_X]

well here are two other possible spoilers. the first one is very similiar to the one I already posted, the second one i think it is fake with a capital "F". when i read it, it seemed something a 5 year old thought up.

well here is the first/credit goes to a bunch of folks

Spoiler:

「三人を相手にしては仙人モードであっても確実に殺される」 そう感じとった地雷やは次の手を考える。

体術、忍術は無効化される、となると有効なのは幻術しかない。
幻術で撹乱した後、メタボを火遁で誘導し、長髪を「目」の役と幻術
して足を止めさせる。 そしてデイダラペインめがけて攻撃をしかける
「さらに一対一！！」地雷やの攻撃で次号

Despite being in Sennin mode, Jiraiya felt as if he "could be killed", trying to fight all three Pains together and had to consider his next move.

Taijutsu and Ninjutsu were nullified, it leaves him with only Genjutsu. After using Genjutsu to create disorder, he combusted the fat guy with Katon (fire technique), and stopped the long hair guy (by making use of the "eye") and deploying Genjutsu. With that, he targets his attack at the Deidara-lookalike Pain.

1 versus 1 fight follows next!! Next chapter: Jiraiya's attack

here is the second one, looks pretty bad

Spoiler:

[B]The Chapter Starts out with Maa and Paa arguing about what to do. Jiriaya suggest that jutsu that effect the enviroment of the battle itself will be effective. Maa and Paa agree there is more discussion about being old and all three fight about who's old or not. Pain tells jiriaya that he's lucky that he is fight some one as respectfull as him to listent to the ramblings of three over the hill fools. Jiriaya understands why pain would call Maa and Paa over the hill but calling him old is unforgivable. After more argument...Jiriaya, Maa, and Paa unleash a combo jutsu. Jiriaya uses the Greater Swamp of the Underworld Technique, Paa uses the Summoning Frog Stomatch Trap of the Mortal World Technique, and Maa use The Toxic Mist of the Heavens. First the swamp appears causing the pain's to run up the building nearest to them, then the frog stomatch appears on the walls of the buildings around them forcing the three pains to run to greater heights, and finally maa's poision mist appears above the three pains. Pain continues to run and sends a summon to test the poision, the summon immediatly dies falling into the swamp bellow. The Pain's jump of the building and summon a huge eel whose head he stands on.

Pain tell jiriaya that he will be long dead before the swamp can consume a summon of the eel's size. Pain believes he has the upper hand, but maa and paa mock him saying that Jiriaya is about to use his ultimate technique. Jiriaya first uses the Frog Stomatch Insemination of the Mortal World technique...which causes eggs to form allover the walls. Jiriaya then uses the Frog Metamorphisis of Heaven and Hell technique which causes the eggs to fall into the water of the swamp and hatch into a tadpoles which then swim to the top of the swamp breathing in the toxic mist and become thousands of frogs that launch themselves at pain. Chapter ends

[0TaKu0]

Hmm, they all sound fake, my reasons are purely intuition and, simply that I can't see both long hair and fat Pain going down in the same chapter, too quick, not much explanation in their characters or, purpose.

=_= That’s it for me today, I'm going to go drown in Assassins Creed on my new PS3 *drools*.

[Zoe]

Originally Posted by X_Danny_X

here is the second one, looks pretty bad

This guy posts blatantly fake spoilers every week. Please don't encourage him by spreading them around.

[Mists]

Here's the one I believe is true and makes it quite interesting:

Spoiler:

Pein and his other two bodies face off against Jiraiya. Pein says that its time to get serious. He pulls out a scroll. The scroll has a symbol of the Samsara. Pein reveals that thanks to "the other". He's able to use this technique. Pein quickly opens the scroll and does a series of hand signs. Jiraiya is uneasy, Pa toad tells Jiraiya that "that" technique is the only was he'll survive. Jiraiya quickly runs threw a series of hand signs. Pein opens his eyes and uses the "Six soul divination Jutsu". Pein stares at Jiraiya and states that the fight is over, he has split his soul into six seals that are on the scroll. Pein tells ma and pa toad that Jiraiya body is nothing more than a shell. Jiraiya looks up and smiles. Pein is shocked and asked how. Jiraiya explains that he used the "Toad soul sealing Jutsu". he states that he split his soul into 3 parts and sealed two parts into ma toad and Pa toad. Pein asked what happened to the other third portion. Jiraiya smiles. Pein turns and one of his bodies strikes him.

Next chapter : Jiraiya attacks

I've been thinking, what if Jiaraya did in fact have Rinnegan all along and was the reason he didn't fret too much over the fact young Pein having it? They were almost the same...Perhaps it's a stretch...regardless this spoiler looks the best and sounds the best. It also opens up some interesting ideas.

[EoT]

Originally Posted by Mists

Here's the one I believe is true and makes it quite interesting:

Spoiler:

Pein and his other two bodies face off against Jiraiya. Pein says that its time to get serious. He pulls out a scroll. The scroll has a symbol of the Samsara. Pein reveals that thanks to "the other". He's able to use this technique. Pein quickly opens the scroll and does a series of hand signs. Jiraiya is uneasy, Pa toad tells Jiraiya that "that" technique is the only was he'll survive. Jiraiya quickly runs threw a series of hand signs. Pein opens his eyes and uses the "Six soul divination Jutsu". Pein stares at Jiraiya and states that the fight is over, he has split his soul into six seals that are on the scroll. Pein tells ma and pa toad that Jiraiya body is nothing more than a shell. Jiraiya looks up and smiles. Pein is shocked and asked how. Jiraiya explains that he used the "Toad soul sealing Jutsu". he states that he split his soul into 3 parts and sealed two parts into ma toad and Pa toad. Pein asked what happened to the other third portion. Jiraiya smiles. Pein turns and one of his bodies strikes him.

Next chapter : Jiraiya attacks

I've been thinking, what if Jiaraya did in fact have Rinnegan all along and was the reason he didn't fret too much over the fact young Pein having it? They were almost the same...Perhaps it's a stretch...regardless this spoiler looks the best and sounds the best. It also opens up some interesting ideas.

That is a very interesting one and I hope it is real and if it isn't then the person who wrote it has a very creative mind.

[Bari_Phillis]

Wowowow! All of them sound very exciting! If I go for most likey, I'll have to say the last one. Jaraiya looses a thrid of his soul!

[Pilly]

Originally Posted by Mists

Here's the one I believe is true and makes it quite interesting:

Spoiler:

Pein and his other two bodies face off against Jiraiya. Pein says that its time to get serious. He pulls out a scroll. The scroll has a symbol of the Samsara. Pein reveals that thanks to "the other". He's able to use this technique. Pein quickly opens the scroll and does a series of hand signs. Jiraiya is uneasy, Pa toad tells Jiraiya that "that" technique is the only was he'll survive. Jiraiya quickly runs threw a series of hand signs. Pein opens his eyes and uses the "Six soul divination Jutsu". Pein stares at Jiraiya and states that the fight is over, he has split his soul into six seals that are on the scroll. Pein tells ma and pa toad that Jiraiya body is nothing more than a shell. Jiraiya looks up and smiles. Pein is shocked and asked how. Jiraiya explains that he used the "Toad soul sealing Jutsu". he states that he split his soul into 3 parts and sealed two parts into ma toad and Pa toad. Pein asked what happened to the other third portion. Jiraiya smiles. Pein turns and one of his bodies strikes him.

Next chapter : Jiraiya attacks

I've been thinking, what if Jiaraya did in fact have Rinnegan all along and was the reason he didn't fret too much over the fact young Pein having it? They were almost the same...Perhaps it's a stretch...regardless this spoiler looks the best and sounds the best. It also opens up some interesting ideas.

harry potter

[Ichimaru]

Originally Posted by Mists

Here's the one I believe is true and makes it quite interesting:

Spoiler:

Pein and his other two bodies face off against Jiraiya. Pein says that its time to get serious. He pulls out a scroll. The scroll has a symbol of the Samsara. Pein reveals that thanks to "the other". He's able to use this technique. Pein quickly opens the scroll and does a series of hand signs. Jiraiya is uneasy, Pa toad tells Jiraiya that "that" technique is the only was he'll survive. Jiraiya quickly runs threw a series of hand signs. Pein opens his eyes and uses the "Six soul divination Jutsu". Pein stares at Jiraiya and states that the fight is over, he has split his soul into six seals that are on the scroll. Pein tells ma and pa toad that Jiraiya body is nothing more than a shell. Jiraiya looks up and smiles. Pein is shocked and asked how. Jiraiya explains that he used the "Toad soul sealing Jutsu". he states that he split his soul into 3 parts and sealed two parts into ma toad and Pa toad. Pein asked what happened to the other third portion. Jiraiya smiles. Pein turns and one of his bodies strikes him.

Next chapter : Jiraiya attacks

I've been thinking, what if Jiaraya did in fact have Rinnegan all along and was the reason he didn't fret too much over the fact young Pein having it? They were almost the same...Perhaps it's a stretch...regardless this spoiler looks the best and sounds the best. It also opens up some interesting ideas.

i cant see jiraiya man havn the rinnegan, than that shouldve end all dabates whose the strongest sannin and every comparison jman is involve.

[kadenza]

Originally Posted by Pilly

harry potter

my thoughts exactly

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Mists

I've been thinking, what if Jiaraya did in fact have Rinnegan all along and was the reason he didn't fret too much over the fact young Pein having it? They were almost the same...Perhaps it's a stretch...regardless this spoiler looks the best and sounds the best. It also opens up some interesting ideas.

So what's the point of him having it if he never uses it?

He almost got killed a few times and got in to numerous difficult situations...and he never used it...?

[Sabaku Kyu]

Here is another spoiler, this one's also supposedly confirmed by Himajin


- there's a Genjutsu technique ("2 toads illusion song"?)
- with this jutsu, the instant the target fall under the genjutsu (just for an instant) = victory
- Ma toad is ashamed and doesn't really want to do it
- weak point of the technique = the location of the person using the jutsu is easily found out and it takes a while to have an effect on the target
- they use the jutsu -> their spot is found out -> J-man makes KB and goes behind the 3 Peins
- J-man uses Katon jutsu -> Fat man starts to absorb it -> another J-man uses Katon -> the 2 other Pein jump to avoid it but one of them is trapped by a swamp on the ceiling (?)
- so next week is 1 on 1

[DriftingShinobi]

Which ever spoiler is true, they all show one thing, how awesome Jiraiya is. Can just imagine all of his jutsus animated. He show the difference between a normal jounin and a sannin (know some pple dont like this but kage-level shinobi!).

Curious tho, with Pein doing so many summons, this must mean incredible chakra stock. This battle will probably come down to who has the most chakra in the end or pain's damn eyes coz i really cant see jiraiya losing with jutsus.

[xAdvo]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Here is another spoiler, this one's also supposedly confirmed by Himajin


- there's a Genjutsu technique ("2 toads illusion song"?)
- with this jutsu, the instant the target fall under the genjutsu (just for an instant) = victory
- Ma toad is ashamed and doesn't really want to do it
- weak point of the technique = the location of the person using the jutsu is easily found out and it takes a while to have an effect on the target
- they use the jutsu -> their spot is found out -> J-man makes KB and goes behind the 3 Peins
- J-man uses Katon jutsu -> Fat man starts to absorb it -> another J-man uses Katon -> the 2 other Pein jump to avoid it but one of them is trapped by a swamp on the ceiling (?)
- so next week is 1 on 1

this one has a few inconsistencies such as he uses the katon and the fat guy absorbs it but then he uses another one and both of them jump to avoid it? did they like decide to just go stand by each other? and also it says that only one of them is trapped by the swamp but then it says next week is one on one so... what happened to the fat guy?



also i guarantee that the one with the six divination soul technique is fake because that ability just sounds really stupid. For it to be that powerful it should have a consequence like the death god jutsu and Jiraiya splitting his soul into 3 parts and sealing it in ma,pa and one of peins bodies this just does not sound plausible and how does he look up and smile if he split his soul into ma/pa and one of peins bodies?

well we should have a confirmed spoiler by the end of the day so i look forward to that all these fakes are kind of interesting but mostly just really annoying.

[Ichimaru]

so currently jman is fightin 3 bodies, but not 1 pein and 2 summons...

i wonder if those 2 bodies without the rinnegan = scrubs?