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MrProphet · 2006-10-11, 08:07

By the way, this time I paid attention to what wao has mentioned regarding episode 1.

The hair of 4 main characters is filled by simple smooth solid color, while the hair of everyone else is colored by gradient volumetric shading. I am not sure if it's cel-shaded, but if it is, it's quite subtle.

Here's a good example, if you are not following me.

ZeusIrae · 2006-10-11, 08:15

Oh,I see.It remind me of Gankutsuou, is it the same method?

The fist ep was a little boring,especially the crying part but the animation was beautiful and the main characters look great so I will continiue to watch.
And what the people who live in New-York think of the anime version?

AisuruMirai · 2006-10-11, 08:20

Episode 2 was indeed powerful, both in its action & its acting. More singing, too, which leads me to believe that this will be a regular thing. Now the flyer that eggplant posted makes more sense:

Quote:

I went to the RED GARDEN screening event today.

The above is a scan of the poster flyer I received.

Spoiler for episode 3:

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Originally Posted by wao

But... but... where's the fat people? >_>

They're eating BigMacs while driving their SUVs to work, so you don't see them. If I'm not mistaken, more than half of Americans are overweight & about 30% of those are obese. Don't come to America--we will eat you. Not me, I won't eat you (菜食主義者で食べたくない). But Americans really are like vampires in certain respects.

I'd honestly much rather see anorexic-looking characters (like Kate & Liz) than obese or even chubby ones, even if it means less realism. (That goes for male & female characters.) It's anime after all; not everything should be realistic.

では、
アイスル未来

MrProphet · 2006-10-11, 08:34

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Originally Posted by ZeusIrae

Oh,I see.It remind me of Gankutsuou, is it the same method?

Not quite.

Gankutsuoh used static patterns, while Red Garden has normal solid color. Gankutsuoh made those patterns its own special gimmick, while in Red Garden this little subtelty is not, in my opinion, supposed to mean anything besides the fact that these girls are special.

You might say that with Red Garden, they are trying to subtly differenciate the girls from "normal people". While in Gankutsuoh the special patterns were used as a ding an sich, a thing in itself, a separate artistic choice.

wao · 2006-10-11, 08:50

Just in from episode 2. This was again a well-directed episode - I thought the splicing of the 'normal life' scenes with the 'horror' scenes was expertly done because I didn't feel like either one dragged on for too long.

But the real star of today's episode was, beyond doubt the voice acting. (IMHO, of course.)
I was really bowled over by the performances. I can see a lot of people getting pissed with this episode because there was a lot of screaming girls - but this is one of the very few times it's worked so well for me. In every scream, you could feel the true fear of the girls from running away from that thing. I've had dreams like that and once ended up screaming myself awake...

Coupled with the tense direction, I couldn't help but end up unconsciously going "eee!" at one point. Without even thinking! I don't think that's ever happened to me besides in the first episode of Blood+ when it comes to TV anime. I was so surprised!

But seriously, I felt the pain,tension, fear and relief of the characters for the most part. I was really impressed by the way that they could infuse even their breathing with these feelings. For example, Kate's trip to the washroom near the end... When they're all together hiding beside a car and they're still breathing quickly or whimpering even while the other two are talking, you can really feel the atmosphere.

In fact, it was almost funny at one point - where Kate and Rose are talking to each other on that rooftop - where the animation is so static that when Kate is speaking full of emotion and with so much variation, her face isn't reflective of it. The animation could be better, you know, considering that they've got prerecorded acting. But I guess they wanted to focus on the really pretty drawings. It was sufficient for the most part though (although the animation of the monster-man was a bit distractingly off)

I was kind of disappointed that the singing still continued.

Spoiler for not really a spoiler, but to save space:

In the context of eggplant's poster which AisuruMirai pointed at, it seems like there is a point. But still... meh.

As for what happened, maybe some people will be disappointed, some people wouldn't, but I don't think it was really that bad.

Spoiler for ep 2, really a spoiler:

EDIT: By the way, Lula looks really vampirish if you saw the screenshot that says "00:18:10" on MrProphets screenshots here.

DoReMiFaSo · 2006-10-11, 09:28

Ep 2 was indeed powerful, I was at the edge of my seat the whole ep. The directing is great. I like how they interleave the fighting with the normal life. It really worked for me. I especially like the part where:

Spoiler for ep2:

The voice acting was awesome. It felt different; it felt real. Perhaps that's because they used prescoring?

I was amazed at the scene where:

Spoiler for ep2:

I agree that the singing bit was weird, especially since they have Lula sang as well.

But the songs were nice if they didn't sing off-key. lol. I hope when they release the OSTs, they would have non-off-key versions.

Oh, btw, the character design of the man who always stand behind Lula always remind me of someone from Witch Hunter Robin. Hmm....

Edit: Also, I like the fact that the characters don't just wear one set of clothing. They seems to change clothes every now and then.

One thing that's not too good is that the characters don't have much expressions. Often times, only there mouths move and their faces stay still for a few seconds.

Futaba-chan · 2006-10-11, 12:36

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Originally Posted by AisuruMirai

I'd honestly much rather see anorexic-looking characters (like Kate & Liz) than obese or even chubby ones, even if it means less realism.

For girls attending elite private schools (particularly in fashion-conscious New York), anorexic is realistic. Eating disorders are quite the problem. (But there still should be at least a few plus-sized girls, and boys, in the picture.)

Vulcannis · 2006-10-11, 15:25

Did anyone else find the student president & merry band a little odd? Now I never went to private school so I may be mistaken, but it just seemed so Japanese to have students roaming the halls giving out punishment slips, meeting with the head of the school, etc.. Even the school itself looked a little out of place--I kept thinking the school from Gokujo Seitokai got transplanted to New York.

orion · 2006-10-11, 16:46

It's also odd that all the monster hunters so far are from that school.

Sinestra · 2006-10-11, 17:56

Intresting first episode its going to take me a while to get use to the animation and charcter designs. I think i can get pass that as long as the story stays intresting. So far i like how story line and potential for it to get even creepier is there. I am very intrested to see how they are going to portray NYC its always fun to see how the Japanese view westerners.

Nagato Yuki · 2006-10-12, 01:59

Episode2 really thrilled me, and Voice actor's screaming was very real.
But, I feel that musical interludes don't fit in with the rest of the play.
It seems important part, but I can't understand that lyrics.
Does anybody understand that lyrics?

yjs · 2006-10-12, 05:13

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Originally Posted by DrewGSR

Man WTH did I just watch. I'm so not feeling the character designs, seriously I was like omg these are some FUGLY ass character geezus; Its liek really hurting my eyes looking at some of the characters.

Have no lcue wtf is going on, I'll do my usual and give the show a few eps before I decide to drop it or continue with it, but first episode my response = WTF...

Anime is not just big eyed looking retards, robots and learning a few Japanese phrases!

It's nice to see something stray from the path a bit more every once in a while.

Lilith · 2006-10-12, 09:09

Ep 1
What everyone else said.

Except that I actually liked the sobbing song, it made me teary...

I also want to emphasis that the opening is very beautiful with the roses and butterflies filling silhoutes. And ofcourse the song is mellow. I really like it.

I think it's the first anime that totally engaged me in the episode. It felt as if I was with them. I'll keep watching it just to know if it's horror or... "fashion"? They wear good makeup, nice dresses and shiny shoes.

chrno_the_sinner · 2006-10-12, 09:16

My guess is that as the girls grow into their new lives, the songs will begin to get less and less off key, as a sort of metaphor.

Anyways, I'm still really digging this show.

And really, how many anime do you see that has overweight characters? And for that matter, how many movies or american products show overweight characters. Not many, that's for sure.

ShellyKukai · 2006-10-12, 10:51

I enjoyed episode one and I appreciate the unique artwork.
I hope 2 and 3 are released soon.

sumomorei · 2006-10-12, 12:16

I think that this is one of the better shows this season. I will definitely continue watching Red Garden. Its a pity that people do not want to try watching it because of the character designs.

I think that the off-tune singing is actually quite bearable compared to the first episode of 'The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya' (Now, THAT is horrible)

Memoo · 2006-10-12, 13:00

I'll first say my impression from the first episode-
There are some good animes that have been released lately, but this one was... special.
The atmosphere in this episode was unique. Maybe it's the characters, maybe it's the different art[which I like and hate at the same time. :P], or the song of Kate at the middle of the episode.
At first when I saw the picture on AniDB, I thought it was going to be an anime about some dancing girls, or something like that.
I was not, and still am not, interested in watching an anime about dancing girls...(not that I have any problem with such an anime. It just does not interest me...)
So I said from the beginning that I wouldn't download it.[I didn't even bother to read the summary...]
Then I read in some place a bit about the anime, and said, "Okay, I'll give it a chance," and I realize now that I shouldn't judge an anime by its picture on AniDB. :P
The episode was really, really good, in my opinion. It wasn't boring at all(someone said here it bored him).
The best first episode I've ever watched was Blood+'s, which was full of horror and stuff, and that one[red garden's]... can just touch the first rank, but is right after blood+.[If I ever made 'best first episode' list, blood+ would be the first, and after it, Red garden].

Many people didn't like the sad part, in which Kate walks while singing a sad song, but, hey, have you even seen such a part in any other anime?
I must say, I've watched many animes, and have never seen such a part. I really liked it!
Kate's singing was realistic... it was full of sadness... and it didn't sound as if the dubber(or seyuu, or whatever) is a singer, which made it more realistic.

I really hope that this anime is gonna continue as it started, and won't disappoint me, and I'm sure you all hope that.

I haven't watched episode two, because I do not understand japanese(so I don't download the RAW version, like some of you ;P), but after reading a bit(didn't want spoilers, so just read a bit :X), it seems the second episode is a good one as well as the first one.
Thanks for reading. =] [wow... I really needed a place to write that about this anime xD]
And... sorry if I had some spelling mistakes, and stuff... I just learn english at school. I do not speak it.(but I like it, the language...)

AisuruMirai · 2006-10-12, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagato Yuki

Episode2 really thrilled me, and Voice actor's screaming was very real.
But, I feel that musical interludes don't fit in with the rest of the play.
It seems important part, but I can't understand that lyrics.
Does anybody understand that lyrics?

I could make out some of the lyrics:

Spoiler:

I hope it's not asking too much, but could someone help out? I suck. Also, there's that song from the 1st episode....お願いいたします。

では、
アイスル未来

molitar · 2006-10-12, 14:43

But I'm curious what killed the girls? The scene just showed all of them dropping. More like they a sleeping gas or something not something that looked like it killed them. So what killed the girls? And why return them to their beds as if nothing happened than summon them out at night and tell them to attack that what appears to be some type of Lycanthrope without explaining anything to them.

Memoo · 2006-10-12, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by molitar

But I'm curious what killed the girls? The scene just showed all of them dropping. More like they a sleeping gas or something not something that looked like it killed them. So what killed the girls? And why return them to their beds as if nothing happened than summon them out at night and tell them to attack that what appears to be some type of Lycanthrope without explaining anything to them.

I'm as curious as you are...
but... I'm sure we'll have some more explaination... this is just the first episode.
I also wonder... who exactly is this couple(the man and woman), and why did they choose those four girls?
Will the detectives have some more role during the anime?(o.o I don't know why I want to know that.)
Liz, or whatever was her name... how did she die, suicide or homicide? :P
What was that man, what you called, Lycanthrope?
but, it's just the first episode... I'm sure most of them will be answered~

Again, I'm sorry if I had some spelling mistakes and such~
c ya~

2006-10-11, 08:15	Link #82
ZeusIrae Loyal Haruhist. Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 37	Oh,I see.It remind me of Gankutsuou, is it the same method? The fist ep was a little boring,especially the crying part but the animation was beautiful and the main characters look great so I will continiue to watch. And what the people who live in New-York think of the anime version? __________________ "Politics always takes vengeance on those who belittle it." Julian Minci, Legend of the galactic heroes .

2006-10-11, 08:50	Link #85
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	Just in from episode 2. This was again a well-directed episode - I thought the splicing of the 'normal life' scenes with the 'horror' scenes was expertly done because I didn't feel like either one dragged on for too long. But the real star of today's episode was, beyond doubt the voice acting. (IMHO, of course.) I was really bowled over by the performances. I can see a lot of people getting pissed with this episode because there was a lot of screaming girls - but this is one of the very few times it's worked so well for me. In every scream, you could feel the true fear of the girls from running away from that thing. I've had dreams like that and once ended up screaming myself awake... Coupled with the tense direction, I couldn't help but end up unconsciously going "eee!" at one point. Without even thinking! I don't think that's ever happened to me besides in the first episode of Blood+ when it comes to TV anime. I was so surprised! But seriously, I felt the pain,tension, fear and relief of the characters for the most part. I was really impressed by the way that they could infuse even their breathing with these feelings. For example, Kate's trip to the washroom near the end... When they're all together hiding beside a car and they're still breathing quickly or whimpering even while the other two are talking, you can really feel the atmosphere. In fact, it was almost funny at one point - where Kate and Rose are talking to each other on that rooftop - where the animation is so static that when Kate is speaking full of emotion and with so much variation, her face isn't reflective of it. The animation could be better, you know, considering that they've got prerecorded acting. But I guess they wanted to focus on the really pretty drawings. It was sufficient for the most part though (although the animation of the monster-man was a bit distractingly off) I was kind of disappointed that the singing still continued. Spoiler for not really a spoiler, but to save space: It didn't feel as melodramatic as the last episode, but I still think it was damn awkward. And this time it wasn't just Kate, it was Claire and Rose and Rachel and even Lula of all people! It just felt too out-of-place. I don't know, what's the point of putting it there? It doesn't help at all if you ask me. Sure, it's metaphorical, but there's good metaphors and bad metaphors and I can't help but cringe even slightly at this one. Although I suppose it does add a different sort of sadness to the whole atmosphere, and now I think we can be sure that the off-key singing is because they wanted to put in a bit of realism... It was more like the kind of singing that you do quietly and 'halfheartedly' while you're doing something else, which usually sounds a lot more off-key than normal singing - although the way they presented it seemed like a musical - and furthermore it's entirely beliveable that the characters can't sing. Why do I conclude that the off-key is on purpose? Because if even Rie Tanaka's going to sing like that, then surely it must be the case... Still, I guess I'll just try to accept it. I hope this doesn't happen every single episode, seriously. In the context of eggplant's poster which AisuruMirai pointed at, it seems like there is a point. But still... meh. As for what happened, maybe some people will be disappointed, some people wouldn't, but I don't think it was really that bad. Spoiler for ep 2, really a spoiler: Basically they all have died, but they're still living on 'borrowed lives' in return for carrying out this demon-killing exercise. They could be 'called' at any time at night, I believe... until 12, after which they won't need to fight until the next night. This is a contract between the girls and 'them'. But if they break it, then they will die... Furthermore they probably have some abilities that they haven't awakened yet, although we saw a bit of Rachel's awaken this episode when she was under extreme stress and fear and was on the verge of getting killed or something - she suddenly took a giant leap into the night air. Sounds familiar, but I don't mind it if they do it properly; and if they show some beliveable reaction to these powers on the part of the girls. I hate it when people get these cool powers and are like "o rite ok cool" and don't even wonder how the heck it happens or feel different about themselves. It's always a strange thing if you were walking along the road and you realise you could just jump 10m into the air if you really wanted to all of a sudden... or that you could anyway, even under extreme conditions. EDIT: By the way, Lula looks really vampirish if you saw the screenshot that says "00:18:10" on MrProphets screenshots here. __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-10-11, 09:28	Link #86
DoReMiFaSo Samba!! Join Date: Apr 2006	Ep 2 was indeed powerful, I was at the edge of my seat the whole ep. The directing is great. I like how they interleave the fighting with the normal life. It really worked for me. I especially like the part where: Spoiler for ep2: a hand was trying to grab Kate's shoulder, and when she turned around, the scene changed to her teacher the next day. I wasn't expecting that at all. The voice acting was awesome. It felt different; it felt real. Perhaps that's because they used prescoring? I was amazed at the scene where: Spoiler for ep2: all the girls were hiding beside a car, and was talking about the monster. Their conversation sounds so real with one character still wimpering and the others talking. In other anime, they would probably lower the wimpering sounds, so that the viewers can hear better at the other characters talking. They didn't use this technique here, and it made the scene even more real. Their sceaming was especially well done as well. For example, when the monster bit on Kate's shoulder and she screamed. I agree that the singing bit was weird, especially since they have Lula sang as well. But the songs were nice if they didn't sing off-key. lol. I hope when they release the OSTs, they would have non-off-key versions. Oh, btw, the character design of the man who always stand behind Lula always remind me of someone from Witch Hunter Robin. Hmm.... Edit: Also, I like the fact that the characters don't just wear one set of clothing. They seems to change clothes every now and then. One thing that's not too good is that the characters don't have much expressions. Often times, only there mouths move and their faces stay still for a few seconds. Last edited by DoReMiFaSo; 2006-10-11 at 10:24.

2006-10-11, 16:46	Link #89
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	It's also odd that all the monster hunters so far are from that school. __________________

2006-10-11, 17:56	Link #90
Sinestra ション (^^) IT Support Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu	Intresting first episode its going to take me a while to get use to the animation and charcter designs. I think i can get pass that as long as the story stays intresting. So far i like how story line and potential for it to get even creepier is there. I am very intrested to see how they are going to portray NYC its always fun to see how the Japanese view westerners. __________________

2006-10-11, 08:07	Link #81
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	By the way, this time I paid attention to what wao has mentioned regarding episode 1. The hair of 4 main characters is filled by simple smooth solid color, while the hair of everyone else is colored by gradient volumetric shading. I am not sure if it's cel-shaded, but if it is, it's quite subtle. Here's a good example, if you are not following me.

2006-10-11, 15:25	Link #88
Vulcannis Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Did anyone else find the student president & merry band a little odd? Now I never went to private school so I may be mistaken, but it just seemed so Japanese to have students roaming the halls giving out punishment slips, meeting with the head of the school, etc.. Even the school itself looked a little out of place--I kept thinking the school from Gokujo Seitokai got transplanted to New York.

2006-10-12, 01:59	Link #91
Nagato Yuki Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006	Episode2 really thrilled me, and Voice actor's screaming was very real. But, I feel that musical interludes don't fit in with the rest of the play. It seems important part, but I can't understand that lyrics. Does anybody understand that lyrics?

2006-10-12, 09:09	Link #93
Lilith Your average fangirl Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: U.A.E. - Dubai Age: 37	Ep 1 What everyone else said. Except that I actually liked the sobbing song, it made me teary... I also want to emphasis that the opening is very beautiful with the roses and butterflies filling silhoutes. And ofcourse the song is mellow. I really like it. I think it's the first anime that totally engaged me in the episode. It felt as if I was with them. I'll keep watching it just to know if it's horror or... "fashion"? They wear good makeup, nice dresses and shiny shoes. __________________ I realized I have too many interests/ideas/emotions to convey in one sig.

2006-10-12, 09:16	Link #94
chrno_the_sinner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	My guess is that as the girls grow into their new lives, the songs will begin to get less and less off key, as a sort of metaphor. Anyways, I'm still really digging this show. And really, how many anime do you see that has overweight characters? And for that matter, how many movies or american products show overweight characters. Not many, that's for sure.

2006-10-12, 10:51	Link #95
ShellyKukai Member Join Date: May 2004	I enjoyed episode one and I appreciate the unique artwork. I hope 2 and 3 are released soon.

2006-10-12, 12:16	Link #96
sumomorei Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I think that this is one of the better shows this season. I will definitely continue watching Red Garden. Its a pity that people do not want to try watching it because of the character designs. I think that the off-tune singing is actually quite bearable compared to the first episode of 'The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya' (Now, THAT is horrible)

2006-10-12, 13:00	Link #97
Memoo Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006	I'll first say my impression from the first episode- There are some good animes that have been released lately, but this one was... special. The atmosphere in this episode was unique. Maybe it's the characters, maybe it's the different art[which I like and hate at the same time. :P], or the song of Kate at the middle of the episode. At first when I saw the picture on AniDB, I thought it was going to be an anime about some dancing girls, or something like that. I was not, and still am not, interested in watching an anime about dancing girls...(not that I have any problem with such an anime. It just does not interest me...) So I said from the beginning that I wouldn't download it.[I didn't even bother to read the summary...] Then I read in some place a bit about the anime, and said, "Okay, I'll give it a chance," and I realize now that I shouldn't judge an anime by its picture on AniDB. :P The episode was really, really good, in my opinion. It wasn't boring at all(someone said here it bored him). The best first episode I've ever watched was Blood+'s, which was full of horror and stuff, and that one[red garden's]... can just touch the first rank, but is right after blood+.[If I ever made 'best first episode' list, blood+ would be the first, and after it, Red garden]. Many people didn't like the sad part, in which Kate walks while singing a sad song, but, hey, have you even seen such a part in any other anime? I must say, I've watched many animes, and have never seen such a part. I really liked it! Kate's singing was realistic... it was full of sadness... and it didn't sound as if the dubber(or seyuu, or whatever) is a singer, which made it more realistic. I really hope that this anime is gonna continue as it started, and won't disappoint me, and I'm sure you all hope that. I haven't watched episode two, because I do not understand japanese(so I don't download the RAW version, like some of you ;P), but after reading a bit(didn't want spoilers, so just read a bit :X), it seems the second episode is a good one as well as the first one. Thanks for reading. =] [wow... I really needed a place to write that about this anime xD] And... sorry if I had some spelling mistakes, and stuff... I just learn english at school. I do not speak it.(but I like it, the language...)

2006-10-12, 14:43	Link #99
molitar Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	But I'm curious what killed the girls? The scene just showed all of them dropping. More like they a sleeping gas or something not something that looked like it killed them. So what killed the girls? And why return them to their beds as if nothing happened than summon them out at night and tell them to attack that what appears to be some type of Lycanthrope without explaining anything to them.