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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 30 | 44.12% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 26.47% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 20.59% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 7.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.47% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-12-02, 09:23 | Link #81 | |
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2012-12-02, 11:32 | Link #82 |
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I find this interpretation about the ending, i found it very interesting and successful.
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Mamoru is weak and shy, but I imagine he will be something like maria's right hand, as his love for her is absolute, is totally devoted to Maria. About Satoru , he was really sadistic at ep 6. |
2012-12-02, 12:06 | Link #83 | |
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That was one of the best damned aesthetically pleasing eps this season. Up there with K's but on the different side of the spectrum.
Such a remniscent image of Casshern Sins (which was about visuals for me since I didn't get drawn into the story much)....the artwork should have always been like this. Let's hope it stays that way. Although I think the ep may have killed the producers' wallets And yeah, that was nicely played....heart stabbing indeed Quote:
Kodansha volumes BTW....Never actually came across the original editions
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2012-12-02, 12:23 | Link #84 | |
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That said, I thought Saki looked especially beautiful in this episode. Maybe it's the long hair, but she did not look cute the way she did in earlier episodes. A foreshadowing, perhaps, of her 26-year-old self? Now for some speculation.... I wonder whether Saki has more power than either she or we have been led to believe. While she attributes her ability to fight off the cat to Shun's necklace, I suspect that is not really the true explanation. Wearing the charm made her believe in her own abilities more and enhanced her effectiveness. All along it was suggested that the cats were much more powerful than the humans, but perhaps that's just another of the myths the children have been taught to keep them under control. I'll just add that I thought this was the best episode so far. The artwork is often stunning despite what you might think about the directorial style. The exteriors were especially impressive like the scene with the aurora over Shun's house. I don't find arguing over who loved whom more especially constructive either. I'm much more interested in the storyline than in shipping the characters. Besides, as someone else said, they're fourteen and just on the threshold of understanding "love." Let's see who ends up with whom when they are all twenty-six.
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2012-12-02, 13:53 | Link #86 | |
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And yeah I'd have to say that Saki looked really beautiful this episode. The art style this time presented her in a more mature look with crisp lines on her eyes and lips.
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2012-12-02, 16:06 | Link #87 |
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Why did the leadership think cats would be able to kill Shun? He's very powerful, even more so now. Even saki was able to defeat one and shun is well beyond her.
This is tough for me with this anime now. I cared about shun, I care about what's going to happen to saki, but without shun in there my interest in halved, I don't care about the rest of the characters |
2012-12-02, 17:01 | Link #90 | |
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Btw, it's unrelated but I hold the opinion that Lois' love for Superman is a farce if anything Most comic book relationships are Quote:
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His death was anything but calm. His whole village got warped before he died. He took several poisons but they wouldn't affect him. His parents got killed before his eyes. His dog got mutated and murdered before him. It took all of that for him to make up his mind. Did he die a respectable death? Certainly so. But was it calm? Not really. He may have been calm at the exact instance when he perished but he was in great turmoil for an extended period before that. Death throes, if you will. That's disregarding what he said about his subconscious altogether. Even when you look away from how violent his subconscious was, his conscious self was also torn between all sorts of emotions before he chose to end it all. Quote:
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Let me give you a twisted example. Say there was an young boy who led a really poor country through a revolution against a horrible regime. Let's say he was truly charismatic and that he genuinely wanted to liberate his people and his country. Let's say a decade down the road, he started amassing power for himself and people close to him. Let's say that another decade down the road, he was doing all sorts of shady thing to keep the power for himself. Let's say that yet another decade down the road, some other revolution ousted his regime. The boy did indeed love his country and people when he was young but it didn't stay that way. Even if it did in his intent, it didn't in his actions. About Romeo and Juliet, I don't really consider that true love either. Romeo is infatuated with Rosaline at the beginning of the story and his affair with Juliet is all too short to call it true love. I have read really humorous parodies of the plot where Romeo moves on to another girl after Juliet "dies" (depending on the parody, she is either faking it to potentially escape with him, to test him or just wants this stalker to gtfo) and I find those to be more honest with the reality of the relationship than this idea that Romeo and Juliet were somehow in true love when they barely even interacted with each other. I would say I find that particular relationship a lot weaker (and less tragic) than Saki and Shun's even. As for the content under those spoilers, those aren't necessarily true love either. Those characters suffered a lot for the people they loved and the strength of their feelings was palpable in their sacrifices, but that show itself indicated that some of those relationships were borderline obsession and not true love per se. Feel free to hate me for putting it that harshly ;_; Thing is, Satoru went through a great deal to save Saki earlier on when he didn't "love" her (at that point, he didn't). Thing also is, I have gone through great perils for my friends that I didn't hold specially over my other friends. I have seen great people who threw their lives away for the sake of completely unrelated people. The fact that Saki went to great lengths to reach out to Shun does show how much she cared for him but feeling really strongly for a person isn't the same as being in true love or whatever. Quote:
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If anybody else is referring to me when they shout at people who are still beating a dead horse and refusing to believe that Saki and Shun loved each other, well, you either didn't really read through everything I wrote or just didn't get it. If it's the latter, apologies for being bad at exposition Anyway, moving on, I think your hate for Saki is unjustified, CJ Walker. And she doesn't really have the MC plot armor. Bear in mind that this is all being narrated by her so it's already a given that she survived all of this until at least the event of narration. The story had a survivor who survived thanks to stuff that the story pointed out as being stuff that would help her survive. How is that plot armor o_o? She was indeed a bitch to Mamoru but oh well, that's reason to like her than to hate her because perfect characters only exist when the author bullshits around. She felt bad and apologetic right away too! I don't think her retorts at her parents are unwarranted. She isn't nearly as whiny as most girls in anime (or real life, for that matter). I would have liked to see more stuff from Shun's perspective too but I don't think he could have worked as the MC for this story. I would also like to see some stuff from the adults' perspective. Here's hoping we get some of it, at least when Saki herself becomes an adult. I noticed those crotch shots too! And yeah, while I don't necessarily agree with some of the facial expressions towards the very end of the episode (too stoic and indifferent imo, and weird angles too), Saki looked very beautiful this episode in certain shots. Not cute, but beautiful. Definitely more of an adult charm to her this episode. If I was shown this episode as a stand alone, I would never have guessed her age as 14.
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2012-12-03, 01:37 | Link #92 |
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Such a weird episode. I was wondering "Why the hell do they keep zooming in on her crotch lol". I know people will cut budget and do more leg shots, but I just found it really strange.
Anyhow, Shun as expected was gg'd, though I didn't expect it in this manner. It was way more depressing this way then to just off him, as Saki is now overridden with a sense of guilt and perhaps a newfound sense of determination to do... something. Great episode overall and it ended too soon.
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2012-12-03, 02:00 | Link #93 |
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The problem with the changing out of episode directors in this show is the dizzying shifts in artistic style which have been occurring. This was a strong episode but I really wish for a show where the overall narrative is so important that they would be a little bit more consistent with the directing and artistic style.
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2012-12-03, 02:20 | Link #94 |
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A few key points. 1. The main reason I used the term "true love" was to differentiate it from the love that Shun felt for Satoru, and that Saki felt for Maria. In other words, by "true love" I basically meant "actual, completely sincere, romantic love". Now, I think that Shun loves Satoru... as a friend. And I think that Saki loves Maria... as a friend. But I do get the impression that Shun doesn't feel as strongly for Satoru as Satoru feels for him, and that Saki doesn't feel as strongly for Maria as Maria feels for her. So with Shun/Saki, you get a more perfect mutuality, imo. In other words, the intensity and sincerity of the romantic love that Shun feels for Saki is matched by the intensity and sincerity of the romantic love that Saki feels for Shun. I get the impression that we agree on this (at least through the first 10 episodes). And so, semantic issues aside, we largely agree on my intent behind the term "true love". 2. The argument that Saki didn't spend a lot of time with Shun seems... highly questionable to me. I mean, we're talking about close childhood friends here who are both part of a seemingly pretty small rural village. They're people who have been going to the same small school for several years, and are part of a pretty tight-knit group of five friends. As someone who grew up in a place similar to this (in a small town of just over a thousand people), I can tell you that even a person as introverted as Shun is going to be known pretty well by his closest friends in school. There's just no hiding away completely when you live in a place that rural. I mean, you write about Shun and Saki almost like Saki was this lovestruck girl that happened to be in the same class as Shun, but never got up the courage to talk much with him, and hence was secretly harboring all of these unrequited feelings. And that just doesn't fit with the first few episodes of the anime, which presents Shun, Saki, Satoru, Maria, and Mamoru as really good friends with each other. 3. This final point is a bit tangental, but I'm going to raise it anyway. I get the impression that "true love" represents a sort of platonic ideal of romantic love to you. With that in mind, I think you're a bit too strictly adherent to your "test of time" approach, especially when it comes to evaluating anime and its characters. 9 times out of 10, anime deals with adolescent relationships. About equally often, we don't get to see characters age over the span of decades (this show will somewhat ironically be an exception to that). So it seems to me that your insistence on the "test of time" when it comes to "true love" would result in really lowering the emotional strength and impact of a lot of anime shows and a lot of prominent anime pairings. At a meta-level, I think this works very much contrary to what the writers and producers of various anime shows are intending for their audience to take away from them. That's just something that I think you might want to consider when evaluating anime romances in the future, particularly ones focusing on teenaged characters.
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2012-12-04, 08:59 | Link #98 |
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This art and animation style worked much better here than episode 5, because it makes sense for the environment to be aberrant in the context of the story.
It's not so clear to me if Shun actually dies here or not. It's confirmed by the novel readers in this thread, but...he was musing about how he's unable to commit suicide, then does it anyway? OK then.
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2012-12-04, 09:44 | Link #99 | |
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That's really the syndrome in a nutshell, really. The librarian in episode three talked about how early users went through exponential evolution of their powers due to the stress of the war. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for all of the rampant mutations and utter devastation of civilization was directly resultant from users who had powers grow faster than their ability to control them. This is likely why there is such intense training and discipline in the society, to help weed out cases where powers are too weak or users are too "clever" for their own good. I'd imagine that a weak user might push themselves too hard to prove themselves, thus causing backlash which could have severe localized damage. A strong user who is unable to control their powers obviously results in the same thing. It's easy to admonish such a cruel society for being too paranoid, but the results speak for themselves. There is a long history of psychic powers that are abused or have gone out of control, and Shun demonstrates that even a child can wipe out an entire village and even warp reality itself. Even the cat, which an ordinary Cantus user would struggle with, was a complete joke to him. In order to preserve what little humanity still exists, the adults decided to resort to what we would consider unthinkable means of culling the dangerous elements. Survival is paramount over ethics in this world.
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2012-12-04, 10:52 | Link #100 | |
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Harsh as it is, it's certainly not hard to see the basic pragmatic reasons for why society is the way it is in Shin Sekai Yori. In fact, I'm not sure much better alternatives are available or even imaginable here. In the end, Cantus power is arguably more of a curse than a blessing. It's possible to master it, but you need to be extremely self-disciplined and have certain personality traits to achieve such mastery, imo. Shun had immense raw power, but his personality did not lend itself to such mastery.
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