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You're using Yukine's point of view & his old role as a teenager to justify/apologize for his current actions as a Regalia. Somewhat ironically this is also Yukine's problem. That being said, I do agree that Yato should also have made this transition easier. However, I think the show makes that pretty clear too. Quote:
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The point is to show Yukine that they DO care about him: they are his friends & Yato named him. Maybe this is not directly an apology, but it shows great empathy for Yukine and helps him to repent for his actions. It worked for me Quote:
Maybe it just didn't work for you, like some of the end of Shin Sekai Yori didn't work for me *shrugs* People do react to things differently. (note I am not trying to compare these anime, they are not really comparable at all) As for Yukine the character, I don't think people hate him because they think he's 'more wrong than Yato' which is beside the point. They hate him because he's potrayed as an annoying teenager brat when he could be an awesome regalia They either remember themselves as as a bratty teenager or their friends/siblings/kids/etc and don't want to relive that sort of thing. I know I don't .. |
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2014-03-08, 17:18 | Link #682 | ||||
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I'm not that interested in divying out responsibility just yet. We don't have enough information. Quote:
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The way she reacted to meeting Manabu in the girl's bathroom? An image of pure fury until he explained himself, then an image of pure kindness. That's just how she is. It's either okay or it isn't (emotionally speaking, in the situation). It seems to me you think that's how the show works: Yato is either an irresponsible, uncommunicative jerk, or a silent hero. Yukine is either an awful brat, or an innocent victim. Maybe the show is like that, and if it is, I agree with you. But I just don't see the show like that. (Refer to my above post for my bias of not liking to pick sides; I'm quite aware that I might be defending a way I want the show to be.) |
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2014-03-08, 22:35 | Link #684 |
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To be honest, I'm not really seeing what makes Yukine such a bad person. And to also be honest, a lot of this wouldn't have happened if Yato, I don't know, properly communicated with Yukine. Even just a bit. That being said, I don't see Yato as a bad person either or even an ass. He just has no idea wat he's doing. But anyway, it seems like we're supposed to hate Yukine and all I can do is feel even more sorry for him then I already am. Otherwise, these were fantastic episodes. They just left a bitter aftertaste in the mouth. What else...? Oh yeah! Kofuku is definitely more bad-ass then she looks. And Nora. She remains one creepy little thing. |
2014-03-09, 01:04 | Link #685 |
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I think the problem is that they didn't do enough to show Yukine's negative transformation. It's not a fault with the plot, as I thought it was pretty clear what was going on, but an execution issue. The producers could've easily communicated the misunderstanding between Yato and Yukine via a conversation or two, or just through more foreshadowing in general, but I don't remember much of it having taken place.
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2014-03-09, 01:20 | Link #686 | |
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You say she can't be faulted for misinterpreting things and situations, yet you also take Hiyori sympathizing with Yato at face value and tell us the show is trying to make Yato to be the hero in this situation by pointing fingers at Yukine. That's more contradictory than what you think show is trying to tell us. |
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2014-03-09, 04:07 | Link #687 | ||||||||||
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He is, though. Just because he's stuck like this forever doesn't mean that suddenly he can become more mature as well. Maturing takes time.
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As I've said about a million times by now, my problem is that ultimately the show seems to put all the blame on Yukine and doesn't seem to acknowledge Yato's responsibility in Yukine being the way he is and doing the things he's done. I don't know how to put it more clearly. Quote:
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2014-03-09, 10:21 | Link #688 | |||
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He's been through a number of situations as a Regalia and should have changed some ... but he is resisting this change. Again, we don't know how usual this ... but based on comments from other gods/regalia it doesn't seem usual. Quote:
I don't agree that the show implies Yato is doing the right thing, but I think you are set on it showing him as a Pariah .. If Yato did the right thing, why does he apologize to Hiyori? You're ignoring a lot of things to paint this narrative. Quote:
Hiyori seems to think Yato could do a much better job at it ... so again, I think the show does acknowledge this viewpoint & again you ignore it. Obviously you'd have like this highlighted a bit more or you just are using hyperbole. I think you're communicating this issue perfectly clearly - a number of people just don't agree with your argument and some of your examples have clear counter examples in the show. |
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2014-03-09, 11:50 | Link #689 | |
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Yet somehow what you take from all this is that they're pointing all the fingers at Yukine and not enough at Yato. In my case, you would be trying to convince me that Yukine is a horrible person by the show's standards, then tell me to believe that's wrong at the same time. Do you understand why this doesn't add up for me? |
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2014-03-09, 12:53 | Link #690 |
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Seems like Yukine's disease infected another regalia and cost her her job. (Let's play the blame game again, shall we? Was Yato aware of the consequences? )
Luckily, the old man was merciful enough to let her go after performing an ablution. I believe there isn't enough time to explore that thread anymore now that we've got some discarded god and a resentful regalia to contend with. I'd sure love to know why Rabo is considered an aberration, and maybe they'll finally explain why Yato gave up his original profession which doesn't seem to be unrelated to the predicament they currently find themselves in. As for Hiyori, it appears that Nora mind-wiped her so shouldn't we consider the problem half-solved if her ties to Yato were continuing to put her in that precarious state? Oh, if only it were that easy. |
2014-03-09, 14:05 | Link #691 |
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As much as I appreciate Bones keeping the gag at the beginning, Yukine saying he wants to pay back the money he stole feels out of place in this adaptation. For the anime, all we see him steal is a skateboard (which he could technically give back without anyone noticing) and charity money he never actually took since he was caught redhanded, so he shouldn't have much, if any money to pay back.
The (long-term) passage of time also feels kind of vague in this adaptation, so we don't really know often Hiyori is away from Yato and Yukine in this adaptation. That makes it harder to assert the notion that Yukine stole more than what Hiyori saw, since it looks like Hiyori visits them pretty often. Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2014-03-09 at 14:31. |
2014-03-09, 14:43 | Link #693 |
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It was nice to see Yukine be a good boy.
Guess he figured out a way to approximately have a normal life. So Yato actually intends to find a way to fix Hiyori. Well, it's about time he at least tried. The shrine visit was fun ^^ Yet, somehow, Hiyori managed to get into trouble. Nora cooked up a devious plan again. She is definitely holding a grudge. So Nora has a new master now; Rabo, god of calamity. Things are looking pretty bad for Yato.
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2014-03-09, 15:24 | Link #696 | |
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I rather enjoyed the ep, and it seems that the anime only ending the series seems to be aiming for has to do with a conscious decision by Hiyori to stay by Yato's side or something similar? Maybe? Anyway another good ep in my opinion. ^^
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2014-03-09, 16:24 | Link #698 |
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The anime original arc seems to have started pretty well. *crosses fingers*
Rabo seems intrigueing so far & likely will be a tough foe for Yato. I liked that they foreshadowed the cutting of Hiyori's ties and then had someone else do it, so it was still a little bit of a surprise (or at least that seems like what happened). |
2014-03-09, 16:46 | Link #699 |
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Communication breakdown. I could try to guess why you're confused, but that would probably lead to more confusion.
*** My least favourite episode so far. Rabo, to me, doesn't have the same sort of presence that the rest of the cast has. (Although I had the same feeling about Bishamonten, and she grew on me. [I wish she'd wear her suit more often; I prefer that outfit.]) |
2014-03-09, 21:01 | Link #700 |
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For a bad guy,
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This was rather meh with some funny points(Mom and Dad crying over Yukine = WIN and anything with Kokufu and Daikku) but this is seriously gonna be rushed...unless this goes to a second season. Nice troll from Nora at the end though; seriously thought that she'd kill Hiyori when, she's actually trying to help her and Yato
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