(L+CR) My Teenage RomCom SNAFU (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru)

[n120cky]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

You mean you didn't find it hilarious? He constructed a perfectly sound argument for a twisted viewpoint.

Well I didn't see him joking . . ., and I never thought it came from from Yukino

[Master_Yoma]

Well seeing Yukino place it seem so bleak but got to say Yaoi play was a big hit

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by n120cky

Well I didn't see him joking . . ., and I never thought it came from from Yukino

He wasn't joking. That's why it was funny (to me at least).

In essence, his main point was that someone was slacking off while he and others were being overworked to compensate.

However, when someone normally complains about too much work, they bring in personal, informal reasons like "I hate this", "what a drag", etc.

Instead, Hachiman constructed a completely rational argument. As he stated, the kanji for human ( 人 ) supposedly represents one person leaning on another for support. However, he twists that interpretation into a more negative light, where the one supporting is doing all the work and the other is leeching. It's not entirely wrong, and he is completely serious.

That's why I find it hilarious. He has a completely unacceptable viewpoint, but the way he argues it is logical.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

He only does it at an acceptable pace. He's not being called out on doing a poor job (except Haruno who is obviously teasing him), but he's not doing so well that he would be praised for it either.

One of Hachiman's many monologues in the novels is that you don't necessarily need to "do you best" at work, only do enough that it's acceptable

You say that, but considering, that for quite long period of time more than half of commite were gone and remaining did their share of workload, acceptable pace is still quite splendid accomplishment. And I am sure he wouldn't have to ask twice for Ebina give him that role so he could excuse himself in same manner as many others.

[midnightlostchild]

hi guys, just watch the new episode and im confused about the "one for all". what does hachiman imply when he explain it as "you hurt someone and throw them out." ?

[Traece]

Originally Posted by midnightlostchild

hi guys, just watch the new episode and im confused about the "one for all". what does hachiman imply when he explain it as "you hurt someone and throw them out." ?

He's referencing the "take one for the team" idea.

Sacrifice few to save many.

At least, that's what I got out of that.

Edit: As for his monologue to the committee, he was primarily addressing the fact that he was having to work more than most of the others. That was the issue that he presented, not that some were overworked but that he himself was.

[monir]

Originally Posted by midnightlostchild

hi guys, just watch the new episode and im confused about the "one for all". what does hachiman imply when he explain it as "you hurt someone and throw them out." ?

Recall in the couple of episodes back (the road trip arc) with those little girls who were told to volunteer three to take punishment for "disrespecting" the seniors. The idea was that those three were going to be the sacrifice for the sake of the group. Haruto is a huge supporter of individualism where he would rather change the world than to change himself. His cynicism toward the group mentality of "one for all" stems from his understanding that a sacrificial lamb or two are needed for the well being of the group when the occasion calls for it as aptly demonstrated by those group of little girls.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by monir

Recall in the couple of episodes back (the road trip arc) with those little girls who were told to volunteer three to take punishment for "disrespecting" the seniors. The idea was that those three were going to be the sacrifice for the sake of the group. Haruto is a huge supporter of individualism where he would rather change the world than to change himself. His cynicism toward the group mentality of "one for all" stems from his understanding that a sacrificial lamb or two are needed for the well being of the group when the occasion calls for it as aptly demonstrated by those group of little girls.

Wow Hikki realy has to have very small presence when even audience can't get his name right

[midnightlostchild]

oh okay, i got it.
Thanks a lot for the explanation

[jeroz]

the best part of the laugh scene is not the laugh itself, but how quickly Yukino returns to that stern face within 0.1s

[askara]

i am sensing a bullying arc next with Yukino by sagami leading the attack or the opposite sagami get mock by class?

[jeroz]

not enough time for that, just need to get your body ready for the season climax next episode

[Mentar]

Lovely ep ... seeing 8man eviscerate the selfish lazy Sagami brat felt so incredibly satisfying...

What is the biggest indicator that 8man has scored points with Yukino? The fact that she is asking him questions and actually listening to his answers.

At the beginning of the show, verbal exchanges between them were mostly Yukino showering 8man with derision and sarcasm. A rapid-fire barrage of insults over 8man's inadequacies. 8man managed to place a riposte every once in a while, but the dialogs felt fairly one-sided. Nowadays, she has realized and accepted that 8man is very perceptive and smart, and that he just has a very warped and cynical way to handle things. Still, she has accepted his opinions as worth listening to and considering, and in doing so, accepted him. The smile, and turn-around and wave are just moefications for the viewers. The change happened more gradual, earlier.

Haru is intriguing. I knew the correct answer (a common enemy) right away and was puzzled that 8man did not. I'm not quite sure yet what is making her tick... a feeling of having to help Yukinon? A feeling of wanting to mess with her/them? Devious fun? Harassment? Yukino's behavior towards Haru feels unusual, because she is clearly not comfortable whenever her oneesan pops up. I wonder what their full backstory is...

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Spoiler for Reply to comparison:

The rumors were started because they were having trouble deciding the groups (more specifically, who gets to be with Hayato). It's easy for there to be more than just Yamato, Ooka, and Tobe competing for him since he is a popular guy.

After Hayato opted out as Hachiman suggested, the groups for the school trip were decided. There was no way to be with Hayato anymore, therefore no one could fight over him - not just those three.

wasn't it boys only group + girls only group?

Originally Posted by askara

i am sensing a bullying arc next with Yukino by sagami leading the attack or the opposite sagami get mock by class?

They are not in same class
(She is in same class as Hikkigaya but not Yukino)

[blakstealth]

Really enjoyed this ep. It was much more eventful than usual. Not only that, but Yukino and Hachiman finally threw shit at each other (well, Yukino usually does more of that) again like the good ol' days. :P

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Mentar

What is the biggest indicator that 8man has scored points with Yukino? The fact that she is asking him questions and actually listening to his answers.

At the beginning of the show, verbal exchanges between them were mostly Yukino showering 8man with derision and sarcasm. A rapid-fire barrage of insults over 8man's inadequacies. 8man managed to place a riposte every once in a while, but the dialogs felt fairly one-sided. Nowadays, she has realized and accepted that 8man is very perceptive and smart, and that he just has a very warped and cynical way to handle things. Still, she has accepted his opinions as worth listening to and considering, and in doing so, accepted him. The smile, and turn-around and wave are just moefications for the viewers. The change happened more gradual, earlier.

I totally agree with you here, and indeed this has been one of the most noticeable transitions that occurred over the course of the show. But I would also say... Hachiman also does his part in small ways to lob the ball to her now with just a tiny bit more confidence (just a bit). As much as she's starting to accept him, he's also starting to better appreciate her. And to me, anyway, this developing relationship is really the centerpiece of the whole story.

(That aside, beyond the turnaround and the wave (and the laugh followed by her "I'm not smiling on the inside" smile), the more telling thing was the little episode on the backstage intercom, and the way everyone else was reading it: they're definitely flirting. )

Originally Posted by Mentar

Haru is intriguing. I knew the correct answer (a common enemy) right away and was puzzled that 8man did not. I'm not quite sure yet what is making her tick... a feeling of having to help Yukinon? A feeling of wanting to mess with her/them? Devious fun? Harassment?

I'm not sure that he didn't actually know the answer to the question, but he was just taking the opportunity to get in a little jab at her (given that she's there to quasi-praise him for what he did, and he doesn't really want the attention/praise from someone like her). And as for Haru... I think she realizes that she's beyond the point of being able to help her little sister directly given the wall between them, so I think she's trying to force Yukino to rely on others. Maybe she sees Hachiman as a guy who, for all his endless cynicism, can finally get through to her (just like the way the teacher did). Somehow, those two have a pretty good read of people despite it all. Her methods definitely seem less than admirable, though.

Edit: I should also add, you get a pretty clear sense of what she's doing in the scene where she "praises" him. She waits to make sure Yukino notices her with Hachiman, then leans right up close to him to tease him, which (expectedly) prompts Yukino's jealousy. So whatever else is going on in her head, she's definitely interested in pushing things forward between Yukino and Hachiman, as she alluded to before. Maybe she's just happy to see her little sister have her first crush, and wants to help her realize it?

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by moridin84

- Sagami is completely useless in these meetings. Of course that's why she was avoiding them and doing class work instead.

I don't think she is even doing any class work. All we see her do was to boss Saki around for the costumes (which is essentially what she does with Yukino as well) so I can't really qualify that as "doing work".

All the previous times that she was late on the previous episodes, we just see her talking to her two followers in the classroom.

[Traece]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Edit: I should also add, you get a pretty clear sense of what she's doing in the scene where she "praises" him. She waits to make sure Yukino notices her with Hachiman, then leans right up close to him to tease him, which (expectedly) prompts Yukino's jealousy. So whatever else is going on in her head, she's definitely interested in pushing things forward between Yukino and Hachiman, as she alluded to before. Maybe she's just happy to see her little sister have her first crush, and wants to help her realize it?

Relentless! She's hurt at the thought!


I agree to a point. I don't think it was necessarily her intention to cause her sister to feel jealous, per se. It seemed to me more like she wanted to praise him because she got to see how he handles a big situation like that first hand. As far as I know, she's never actually seen Hachiman work his magic before.

Episodes ago people were dismissing her comments that Yukinon wouldn't get chosen by Hachiman again, and the potential implication that she was a choice at all. I think at this point that's not something to be overlooked. If you think about Yukinon's implied history in that she really hasn't had many friends at all for a very long time, it seems likely that Hachiman, her first real male friend and someone who is also very much of the same mindset as her, would make a stable choice.

Though to be honest, the more I think about it the more I remind myself of the fact that Hachiman and Yukinon would both likely be very poor at being romantic. I suppose the question here is: Are they really even capable of being a romantic, close couple? Maybe that's not important though, since they've maintained something of a loner lifestyle for so long. Perhaps having just a little bit is more than enough.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Traece

I agree to a point. I don't think it was necessarily her intention to cause her sister to feel jealous, per se. It seemed to me more like she wanted to praise him because she got to see how he handles a big situation like that first hand. As far as I know, she's never actually seen Hachiman work his magic before.

I'd agree except that the show was very careful to show her looking up at Yukino and making sure she noticed before making her move. I do think she wanted to "praise him" (tease him), so it wasn't all that... but I also think she realized this was an opportunity to stir the pot, which she seems more than willing to do at every opportunity.

Regarding the rest, though... I can't really see the anime as anything other than the progression of Hachiman and Yukino as characters. So whether or not they end up in a romantic relationship, the whole story (it seems to me) revolves around bringing the two of them out of their shells and helping them adjust to society somehow. It would make sense to me that they find allies in each other through this... but I suppose that doesn't imply that they'll suddenly become a pair of lovebirds. (Though you could argue that they already argue like an old married couple. Deep down, I think Yukino just really likes having someone willing to spar with her, and we already know that Hachiman likes how she generally tells it like it is. So it works.)

[EroKing]