2009-11-09, 13:18 | Link #122 |
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The rules can be improved. But I don't think any of the staff will be interested in your opinions if you take this attitude. If you actually spend some time reading the policy and thinking about the reasons that went into its creation, you'll see that "treating everyone like idiots" has nothing to do with it.
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2009-11-09, 18:56 | Link #123 |
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Its not a case of the mods treating us like idiots, its the fact they cater to the few people who don't know how not to open a spoiler tag. Nevertheless this issue has been brought up many times and the mods have shut it down many times. Nothing is going change.
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2009-11-09, 22:38 | Link #124 | |
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I wouldn't say that the staff is closed to suggestions about this, but most of the suggestions that we get don't address the problems that the current policy was designed to solve. In most cases, people just want us to go back to the original rules about spoiler tags, but there's a reason this policy change was made. Further changes would have to be evolutionary, not revolutionary. |
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2010-08-27, 22:00 | Link #127 | |
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I have a question, I thought that spoilers were allowed in all threads; in spoiler thread, spoilers can go commando, but in no spoiler threads, spoilers have to be marked with the Spoiler tag. Don't tell me there are threads where spoilers are banned in all forms, am I misunderstanding? |
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2010-08-27, 23:05 | Link #129 | ||
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Beyond that, there are also threads (like Episode threads as Gin mentioned) where no spoilers are permitted at all. This is identified in the first post of the thread (but, for the most part, it's usually episode threads). So if you thought "I'm safe as long as I put my spoilers behind tags"... you'd probably be wrong. Most spoilers on AnimeSuki are not okay even when tagged.
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2010-08-27, 23:14 | Link #130 |
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Ok, I have read the rules before, but I was still under an impression that spoilers were okay if you used protection. I'd like to ask why, but I know I shouldn't. Tanx 4 evryting.
@ThinkTank I think that doing so would inevitably result in a case similar to using periods and other sly moves to circumvent a profanity filter (e.g. the system can bleep out "sweet", but it can't find "sw.eet" or "sweeet"). The spoiler filter would end up with people easily avoiding the system's radar, and the occasional scenario of the machine just extricating posts that aren't actually spoilers. The first step to making a spoiler filter would be deciding how it decides what makes a spoiler: is it the word composition? should the filter learn about every anime's spoilers? should the filter learn problem words, like spoiler? Figuring that alone would be a headache, let's just leave it to our human moderators and admin. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2010-08-27 at 23:28. |
2010-08-27, 23:50 | Link #131 | |
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Realistically, it's a courtesy for all anime only viewers (of which there are plenty, in fact everyone is at one point or another) who do not want to be spoiled about future events, nor do they wish to dredge through a mountain of posts enclosed in spoilers as multiple posters discuss material that the anime-only people cannot even look at for fear of spoiling the entire series. So, to relieve this problem, no spoilers are allowed in certain threads. |
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2010-08-27, 23:54 | Link #132 |
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The "why" has more to do with the incessant problem of too many people having severe challenges in how to *label* their spoiler tag. The number of "spoiler inside here" tag titles (which tells the reader *nothing*) just kept escalating. The policy is a lot tighter than even "old nazi me" is fond of because I like to do 'compare and contrast' of anime and manga like in literature class and that's hard to do without spoiling series X when discussing series Y. But it is what it is.
Often the subforums will get a special "Spoilers galore" thread where people can discuss openly... but single thread series don't have that option.
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2010-08-27, 23:59 | Link #133 |
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Actually, we do specifically allow "compare and contrast" behind spoiler tags as long the label of the tag clearly identifies what is being compared (and the comparisons are "useful or informative"; I'm sure you can imagine the alternatives... ). I personally think these sorts of comparisons can be very valuable, so I'm all for it. This is one of those remaining cases where the label is still extremely critical (since you're right of course that one of the main reasons we went to this policy is due to people's chronic inability to label their spoilers properly).
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2010-11-18, 16:42 | Link #134 | |
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I've basically given up any attempt to read a section about an anime until I've finished the anime - and even then I'm wary. There is so much spoilerish material popping up from everywhere that the few times I wanted to see people's reactions to a particular episode, I ended with spoiler about the several next episode, the following novel from which the next season could be drawn from, the comparison between what's happening in the episode and the deep irony considered guy X dies in the tome X of the light novels, that this episode was heartwarming and someone can't wait to see how the wedding of Y will be in the next season, and many guesses at what will happen in the soon-to-be-published novels considering what happens to "this character that hasn't yet be animated" and "this situation that was inadequately rendered, and make this subsequent situation later completely messed up", etc. I think you get the point. |
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2010-11-19, 01:49 | Link #135 |
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It's not ignored on purpose. Use the "Report Post" button and the mods will act on any future event spoilers. But mods don't follow every anime or read every thread, so we depend on reports from users. People can, will, and do get infractions and bans for spoilers all the time, but it's an on-going issue.
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2010-11-19, 07:39 | Link #136 | |
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I just meant that so many people just don't bother with being careful about spoilers, that it would requires to report basically half of a section. And well, if I report a spoiler, it means I've already been spoiled :-/ |
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2010-11-19, 14:09 | Link #138 |
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I'm thinking particularly of the Haruhi and FMP section last year - I can only offer "last year" because, due to massive spoilage about some crucial events from the novels, I didn't want to have a look thereafter, and I have completely abandonned them. Maybe the situation is better now.
More recently, I remember getting some slight spoilers about Bakemonogatari. Can't remember exactly which ones and where, because I didn't care really much about it, and as such the spoilers didn't stuck in my mind - if I had been a fan of the show, I could have remembered more precisely, but then if I had been a fan, I probably wouldn't have dared to look at the forum before finishing the serie |
2010-11-19, 19:32 | Link #139 |
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Akka, the way the current system works is the entire discussion is handicapped by the rules in hopes if it can't move, nobody gets hurt. Unfortunately this only works (if anywhere) in threads which are reasonably new, get some average discussion and are fairly mediocre as far as discussion speed goes. Everything else (slow threads, fast threads) either crawl along or roll along just fine, even with the handicap. The reason being, given enough mass (ie. spontaneous/spammy discussion) or lack of mass (ie. very precise discussion) the distinction between spoiler and non-spoiler becomes very subjective. In both cases unless the moderators are extremely knowledgeable with regard to the source material, the spoiler is effectively a needle in a haystack.
You're not the first, and undoubtedly not the last, to complain about this issue with spoilers. In a ideal world it would me more practical (and logical) to simply prevent people from being spoiled, when required. But that would mean keeping/generating blacklists/whitelists and periodically setting sections/threads to require-moderation before posts are published. Since this would require creating plugins, etc, we have no choice but to live with the handicap-system.
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