2010-03-23, 23:44 | Link #6821 | |
The Death!
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It is impossible for Kanon to be aware of Battler's Sin.
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2010-03-23, 23:46 | Link #6822 | ||
Homo Ludens
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Yeah, Erika's theory doesn't actually EXPLAIN anything that happened at all... it merely shows that Natsuhi COULD have been the killer. Furthermore, if you ignore the questionable existence of her window seals, a 'Person X' (someone from the mansion) could easily have gotten in and out of the guesthouse. |
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2010-03-23, 23:47 | Link #6823 | |
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Much of Higurashi can be summed up with "parasites that make people paranoid", but to dismiss that game based simply on that fact would be a real waste. If you want to enjoy this game, you'll find there's a hell of a lot there to enjoy. If you don't want to, then move on to another series. Also, before EP1 was even released, Ryuukishi made a point of saying "I'll make you believe in the witch" on his intro site. So you had to have known what you were getting into.
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2010-03-23, 23:51 | Link #6824 |
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To be honest I wouldn't be susprised if Witch hunt was the off island mastermind behind the murders. In Higurashi it was yemainu who were the conspiracy group and Witch Hunt could very well be a think tank. It's possible that witch hunt could have a deeper meaning in the story. Especially since they have a vested interest in hiding the truth by spreading lies about magic.
oh the irony
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2010-03-23, 23:54 | Link #6825 | ||
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And "obviously several accomplices"? If that is the case, there must exist an explanation for why these accomplices would act the way they do in every episode, as well as why they would not act in the episodes that they don't.
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2010-03-23, 23:54 | Link #6826 |
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Beato suggested that the sin didn't necessarily cause the deaths directly, but that it set off a chain of events that eventually resulted in the deaths. Someone learning about the sin would be included in that scenario, so there's no contradiction with my theory.
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2010-03-23, 23:55 | Link #6827 | ||||
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Besides, the story has been painful to read since Beatrice stopped being the best antagonist ever anyway, in my book. All I have left to look forward to is the solution, and... Quote:
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Nope. Mystery is about finding the one single truth. Anti-Fantasy is about denying the existence of the witch who killed your family. They're only superficially similar; their goals are completely different. |
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2010-03-24, 00:00 | Link #6828 | |
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Lambda: At the stroke of midnight, the only people who existed outside the mansion are Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa! Bern: From midnight until the following morning, Kinzo remained in the same room. Excluding Natsuhi's room, a living Kinzo does not exist anywhere. The dining room != Natsuhi's room, so the set of places Kinzo could exist is empty. |
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2010-03-24, 00:01 | Link #6829 |
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Trusting Ryu07 would give a satisfactory Answer for reasonable readers, despite the seemingly lame plot he was implying in EP6, would be the love he was talking about.
A satisfactory Answer would mean that it was consistent, logical, well-foreshadowed, realistitc and non-trivial. But there might be a few such answers for Umineko, Ryu07's is just one of them.
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2010-03-24, 00:02 | Link #6830 | |
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This doesn't contradict any of the red texts about Beatrice's motive, either, if Beatrice is Shannon. Last edited by SeagullCrazy; 2010-03-24 at 00:21. |
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2010-03-24, 00:02 | Link #6831 | |
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I suggest that you try reading EP5 again. When does it ever say that "mystery" is defined as the search for the one, single truth? I translated every word of that game, so trust me, it isn't there. Mystery is all about following the rules of the mystery genre when making your theories. Yes, it does try to find the truth, but by a specific method.
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2010-03-24, 00:05 | Link #6832 |
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I would want to say the scene from EP2 when Nanjo told Kinzo Battler was coming back this year, Kinzo did not give a damn about it already denied the possibility of Kinzo wanting Battler to come back, or anything about Kinzo wishing Battler to be the next head.
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2010-03-24, 00:07 | Link #6834 | ||
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You do a good job at twisting words in your favor when they aren't supporting you ideas. Quote:
By mystery you have to accept the fact that there could be multiple solutions to your story right? Multiple murderers even? Simply denying that a single person named Beatrice did the murderers doesn't solve anything. It simply denies that a single fictional person is the murderer. What do you think the reason is that people beleive there is a mastermind and murderers? Because people beleive that there is someone who directs people to murder people for them! There are actually tons of hints for this in every single episode and questionable alibis to support it... I don't see why your so keen on putting one single person into a corner.
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2010-03-24, 00:08 | Link #6835 | |
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He did want someone to solve the epitaph and stop the ritual.
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2010-03-24, 00:09 | Link #6836 | |
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2010-03-24, 00:12 | Link #6838 | |
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However, given the information presented in the trial, Erika's theory explained everything. Since it was the wrong theory, we can say for a fact that there existed some problems with it. However, the trial only cares about information presented to it. If it had been a perfectly fair trial, it would have ended up with the real answer of the game, which no one wants to hear this early on. Still, look at the obvious difference between Erika's theory in EP5 and Battler's in EP4. Battler never suggested who was most likely to have committed the crime, he just picked out a few suspects that might have carried out each closed room. He was solving the game on a room-by-room basis. Erika was solving it on a game-by-game basis.
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2010-03-24, 00:15 | Link #6839 | |
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Besides that Kanon, Jessica, George, and Shannon share tons of secrets with each other. It's not impossible for them to be informed about it after 6 years ago.
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2010-03-24, 00:18 | Link #6840 | ||
Homo Ludens
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Up until Ep5, Battler had been using Anti-Fantasy techniques; he only wanted to deny the witch. While he still wasn't comfortable with accusing his family for some time, he really didn't care a whit about the integrity of the mystery itself. He is then, in Ep5 introduced to the concept of Mystery by Bern, and the point of Mystery is to, you know, SOLVE THE MYSTERY, i.e. find the truth. Ironically, Bern's real reason behind becoming a player in Ep5 was to kill Beatrice; you know, the Anti-Fantasy goal. I've been kind of figuring that Umineko is supposed to be a twist on The Butler Did It. |
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