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What makes less sense is who was seeing this mirage (if it was one at all)... I sense that here the adaption messed up again. Quote:
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It's more convenient for the majority of the viewers Of course it is, and I am puzzled why so many posters ignore it! |
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2012-10-21, 16:02 | Link #622 | |
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Hugging and bonding through non-sexual physical contact and public displays of affection have always been considered normal. This was not conditioned. People hug each other in real life when they see each other or shake hands. Wolves bond in a similar way, even through fighting. Saki was bothered that their hugging could be much more if they were bonobo like. She cringed at the thought. |
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2012-10-21, 16:06 | Link #624 | |
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The library specifically mentions that the bonobos have sex as a way of venting stress/excitement when they're sexually mature and are of different sexes. Juveniles and those who belong to the same sex engage in sexual play, that is, mock sexual behavior. So Saki et al are not supposed to be actually having sex with each other, and I don't think it's supposed to mean that they're regularly engaged in mock sexual behavior either. It's just being intimate in general (humans being humans and not bonobos). I mean, if Saki's community was as sex-focused as say, Huxley's Brave New World where sexual play is compulsory from childhood, I think the writers would've dropped some hints in the previous episodes. Btw, for what it's worth, I think we'll see some sexual behavior in the next episode (going by the promos), I think that will make this case more clear. |
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2012-10-21, 16:14 | Link #625 | |
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She won't freak out if this was not punished or taboo. If it were commonplace, like eating or drinking water... just a part of society, she wouldn't have freaked out. She would have been raised with belief that this sort of behavior is okay. Her reaction is due to her society making this taboo and punishable. She is freaking out because she doesn't want to hear it, imagine it, visualize it in her mind. It shatters her image of their utopian moralistic culture. She learned... - her kind were predisposed to be sex crazed maniacs who murdered, raped, engaged in mass murder and debauchery - she then learned that scientists tried to make her ancestors free sex bonobos to suppress their "demons." Their culture is supposed to be the opposite of that. They are uptight, conservative, hierarchical, pacifistic, keep to themselves, spiritual. |
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2012-10-21, 16:18 | Link #626 | ||
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I'm kinda confused over what the writers really meant here. I think we should just wait and see. Quote:
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2012-10-21, 16:26 | Link #627 |
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Well, if these kids already know about sex, I'd kind of expect that to have previously come up one way or another (for example, Satoru teasing Shun with "I bet you'd like to get with Saki, wouldn't you?").
Also, the reaction the kids had to the Bonobos part struck me as a bit severe if they're already familiar with sex. But Shadow5YA might have a point there. Maybe it's not the concept itself that's startling to them, but the fact that something they thought was normal and healthy was used as a means to control them.
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2012-10-21, 16:27 | Link #628 | |
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To the kids the whole thing was shocking and upsetting not simply because they learned stuff about their past. Peaceful life and not causing physical harm to others has been so deeply ingrained in them, mentally and physically that even the idea of a human hurting another human triggered a strong reaction in them. This part is clear. But as I said, I think the next episode will make the whole sex part more clear. (Someone linked a promo video, it had a scene that had the same art style as the next episode, and it had some, ahem, sexual behavior.) |
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2012-10-21, 16:39 | Link #629 |
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This. It's crystal clear. Well, actually it apparently isn't since some people completely misunderstood the scene. Maybe they should have had them explicitly have sex/naked skinship on screen like in the manga (that happened way before the events of this episode, so it's not a spoiler. It's just something the anime omitted, or rather, tried to be subtle about. Too subtle, it appears). They were freaked out because everything they were taught to believe was a clever lie meant to control them. They are pretty much similar to animals in a zoo. Finding that out would have disturbed me quite a bit too.
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2012-10-21, 16:41 | Link #630 | |
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And for what it's worth, I also think Saki has engaged in more than just skinship with Maria. The anime is just being coy about it.
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2012-10-21, 16:42 | Link #631 | |
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2012-10-21, 16:46 | Link #633 | |
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2012-10-21, 16:56 | Link #634 | |
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Fortunately I've prepared myself to handle almost any amount of info dump like this via my current watching of a late 90's show called Gasaraki where virtually every episode is like this only about twice as dense and never really lets up on bombarding you with information. There were some episodes of that show that literally took me an hour to get through because I kept having to go back to rewatch minutes of dialogue at a time to make sure I picked up on everything so that 10 minute info dump this episode was child's play by comparison. |
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2012-10-21, 17:05 | Link #635 | |
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Yea back in episode 3 it stated with Saki asked if it was an empty library it responded with and I quote...
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2012-10-21, 17:16 | Link #636 | ||
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Anyway, turning the anime family-friendly has obviously ruined a major part of the story Let's hope it does not affect the rest of the episodes. |
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2012-10-21, 17:28 | Link #637 |
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Actually... after last time I looked up the manga (I swear this is the last time I mention it but since we are already talking about it) on Amazon and the reviews pretty much say that the manga is going waaaay too far with the sex scenes. So it's not the anime that made things "family-friendly," it's the manga that went all ero.
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2012-10-21, 17:32 | Link #639 | |
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2012-10-21, 17:37 | Link #640 | |
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What I mean to say is, just because the anime hasn't had any explicit two girls action doesn't mean it's a dumbed down and more family friendly adaptation. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-10-21 at 17:49. |
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