Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Think you could come up with something better, ghaz? I'm no Gundam nut, but I thought Destiny (both the Gundam and the series in general) was pretty awesome. Apparently I'm mostly alone in that regard...

I have no qualms that you try to have Tiana have wings. I mean heck Nanoha had wings on her ankles.

It's the reference to SEED Destiny that bothered me ><

And for someone like you, SEED and SEED Destiny would fit your tastes.

The original Gundam, and Zeta Gundam you would hate. A much darker tone. Heck the main character in Zeta Gundam actually loses his mind, per se, by the end of it.

(Needs to watch the rest of Zeta Gundam ><)

UNIVERSAL CENTURY FTW!

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

I have no qualms that you try to have Tiana have wings. I mean heck Nanoha had wings on her ankles.

It's the reference to SEED Destiny that bothered me ><

And for someone like you, SEED and SEED Destiny would fit your tastes.

The original Gundam, and Zeta Gundam you would hate. A much darker tone. Heck the main character in Zeta Gundam actually loses his mind, per se, by the end of it.

(Needs to watch the rest of Zeta Gundam ><)

UNIVERSAL CENTURY FTW!

Can't forget that the Universal Century also has one of the greatest ship captains of all time: Bright Noa . Can turn almost any whiny, emo pilot into one of awesomeness with his patented BRIGHT SLAP!!

[Comartemis]

Well, she is ultimately trying to become an Air Combat mage like Tiida... though I was specifically asking if you had better ideas for the Mirage Colloid system. We've already got a perfect cloaking system capable of hiding entire space stations like GENESIS, but the afterimage effect struck me as being really cool for a Real Robot feature, and it fits perfectly as a modification of Optic Hide.

Alex is probably going to turn into a God/Exia hybrid due to his focus on melee weapons. Now I just need to get my hands on a torrent and actually start watching 00...

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Well, she is ultimately trying to become an Air Combat mage like Tiida... though I was specifically asking if you had better ideas for the Mirage Colloid system. We've already got a perfect cloaking system capable of hiding entire space stations like GENESIS, but the afterimage effect struck me as being really cool for a Real Robot feature, and it fits perfectly as a modification of Optic Hide.

What the Destiny did is a knock-off of the original concept employed by the F-91. However, rather than having to generate the particles through it's backpack, the F-91's method of creating the afterimages is by means of venting heat throughout the entire body.

The afterimages are actually part of it's cooling system. Now THAT is a Real Robot feature, rather than creating afterimages simply because of the wings on its back.

As for how Tiana goes about it, I'm not sure.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

What the Destiny did is a knock-off of the original concept employed by the F-91. However, rather than having to generate the particles through it's backpack, the F-91's method of creating the afterimages is by means of venting heat throughout the entire body.

The afterimages are actually part of it's cooling system. Now THAT is a Real Robot feature, rather than creating afterimages simply because of the wings on its back.

As for how Tiana goes about it, I'm not sure.

Hmm...according to MAHQ...

Originally Posted by ZGMF-X42S Destiny Gundam

Using a variant of the "Voiture Lumiere" propulsion system of the GSX-401FW Stargazer, the Destiny Gundam can generate a pair of "wings of light," allowing for high-speed movement. During this high speed movement, the wings of light scatter Mirage Colloid particles to create afterimages of the suit in the surrounding area.

Originally Posted by F91 Gundam F91

The Gundam F91 would perform superbly during the conflict, and its abilities would soon have another surprise in store for Seabook. Being a very high-performance unit, the F91's weapons and systems generated a tremendous amount of heat. This heat was normally dissipated through a seat of radiator fins built into the mobile suit's shoulders; however, excessive amounts of heat would sometimes still remain throughout the mobile suit's body. Another method of getting rid of this heat was by "shedding" the heated outermost layer of the Gundam's armor; this had the rather dramatic effect of creating "after-images" of the mobile suit while it was moving. While confronting Crossbone Vanguard leader Carozzo Ronah's deadly XMA-01 Rafflesia mobile armor, Seabook would find this ability useful in tricking his enemy into attacking targets that were not where they appeared to be.

[Comartemis]

What the Destiny did is a knock-off of the original concept employed by the F-91. However, rather than having to generate the particles through it's backpack, the F-91's method of creating the afterimages is by means of venting heat throughout the entire body.

A knock-off... or an homage? Destiny seems to be loaded with these things, and I guess your opinion of the series has something to do with which of those two you think it is. I mean, nobody rips on Nanoha's blaster system for being a DRAGOON system rip-off, or at least nobody I've spoken to...

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

A knock-off... or an homage? Destiny seems to be loaded with these things, and I guess your opinion of the series has something to do with which of those two you think it is. I mean, nobody rips on Nanoha's blaster system for being a DRAGOON system rip-off, or at least nobody I've spoken to...

Oh, we've already discusses the connection between Nanoha's Blaster System and the Funnel System (the DRAGOON system really isn't a good comparison. The Fin Funnel system used by the RX-93 Nu Gundam is much more similar in terms of use and function. This is also where the idea that Nanoha was a newtype evolved from). The original SEED series was designed to initially be a re-telling of the original Kidou Senshi Gundam series to expose newer fans to the origins of Gundam. About the point where the ArcAngel arrives in the desert is where it takes its own coarse and deviates from the original events. The majority of the homages to the original line were in the plot and story events. Some similarities between the mobile suits were there while others were 'revisions' of the originals, like the MS-06 Zaku II and MS-07 Gouf.

[Comartemis]

Oh, we've already discusses the connection between Nanoha's Blaster System and the Funnel System (the DRAGOON system really isn't a good comparison.

GaoGaiGar-tan, then. My point is that Destiny detractors seem to spend more time finding ways to bitch about the series than the rest of us spend enjoying it. If it's not "Jesus Yamato" then it's usually how the series "rips off" the rest of the franchise. Meanwhile on my end the eyes just won't stop rolling.

I mean sure, the series had its' flaws. Shinn was such a whiny little bitch that I lost all sympathy for him about six or seven episodes in, and the recap episodes were annoying enough that I just skipped over them, but overall I thought it was a worthy addition to the Gundam franchise. I was especially fond of Luna, and the end of the series leading up to that one scene right at the climax of episode 50 had me really worried that she'd get killed off, most likely due to Shinn's actions. I just didn't expect that connection to nearly be so... direct.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Ah, I think I've just figured out which mech Teana's armor is going to be based off of. Who's up for Teana + the X42S Destiny Gundam? Wings of Light, bitch!

oO

*punts Comar to go read about his OC Claire-Marie Eugenie de Kluize, who at full release IS Destiny-tan*

Actually V Gundam was ripped off twice in Destiny canon, the second time being a more wholesale copypasta, the Delta Astray. The rest are just using the Voiture Lumire tech, like starting with Stargazer, and ending with Destiny Gundam. Which actually means these two mecha were ripping off Vanguard grunts from V Gundam.

And I prefer Teana + Nadleeh Gundam... For the long hair coming from helm and epic backstory. :3

[Mirron]

So, I decided I'm going to change the element to Wind. Anyways, I'm going to work on the mechanical aspects of the character, but I'm not sure how I make it so that my post isn't large. Which button do I push to make it do that?

Also, my character being trained by Vita is allowed, right?

[Wild Goose]

Just a quick posting: What Destiny detractors really dislike about the series is how it screwed with everyone - especially Cagalli and Athrun, both of whom were massively out of charecter.

Destiny had great potential, but it didn't live up to that potential.

Also, Kha, I WILL NOT LET YOU MAKE TEANA INTO THE NADLEEH. WHY?

IN NAVAJO LORE, A NADLEEH IS A TRAP. A TRAP WHO BECOMES A TRAP FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.

DO NOT TAKE A REAL GIRL AND TURN HER INTO A TRAP.

@LE: Collect the $200 dollars if you want, I have no use for it.

[Kha]

Who's turning a girl into a trap? And why does a feminine robotic armor have to do with religious purposes?

Granted you weren't around when this idea was first proposed and later polished in the IRC, but I've spoiled enough people, so no further elaboration.

Why do I even bother responding to someone on hair trigger because of lack of sleep...

[Wild Goose]

In Navajo lore, Kha, the Nadleeh is a trap. A religious purposes trap.

Thus the Nadleeh is symbolism for the fact that Tieria is a trap.

Thus Teana + Nadleeh Gundam = turning Teana into a trap.

Now you know how I feel.

[Kha]

If its just semantics, then you don't have to worry; the end result of Teana + Nadleeh + customization is Dominion, the highest of the middle ranks for angels namely Power, Virtue and Dominion.

But thanks for that; I was wondering what the heck Nadleeh meant.

So to clarify, I don't run Nadleeh naked in Nanohaverse. The first user ran her with an exoskeleton called Power, Foy inherited it and made Virtue, and so the next in line would be Dominion if I do decide to go ahead. Nadleeh was called Nadleeh because yes the first user was male and did have some religious purpose, and the name stuck when "Princess" Foy took over, who was both a trap with a religious purpose.

But I did change more of Foy to be less trappy, so its more like he's a "pretty boy" in looks but not in personality. I felt I was assassinating Alto had I stuck to my original idea.

[Liingo]

Hmm, some interesting stuff that was found there Kha. I'll wait and see how official all this is before going for any changes. Not that I think I need to do anything..

Originally Posted by Comartemis

And on a related note, are there any objections to giving Iris a bunch of different elemental spells but no elemental alignment? I've noted that Chrono's wiki entry claims he's particularly skilled with elemental conversion, and I was thinking of giving Iris a similar ability boosted by her Unison, sort of the elemental version of a jack of all trades.

No objections on the elemental spells but boosted by her Unison? Explain please.

Originally Posted by Mirron

So, I decided I'm going to change the element to Wind. Anyways, I'm going to work on the mechanical aspects of the character, but I'm not sure how I make it so that my post isn't large. Which button do I push to make it do that?

Also, my character being trained by Vita is allowed, right?

Use the spoiler tags to cut your post up into bits and pieces,
eg: {spoiler="Skills"} {/spoiler} but with square brackets [] instead of the curly ones to get *points down*

Spoiler for Skills:

Skills go here.

If you go into the message reply window, you'll see a button for the spoiler function in the top right (A yellow triangle with an exclaimation mark)

It'll be fine for your OC to be trained by Vita

@Thread: Kindly keep the mecha discussion to a minimum please. That and keep it to IRC. Thanks
Gah, more people who want mecha in their mahou shoujo *sigh*

[Kha]

I insist that Power-Armored Men and Musume (PAMs) be delisted as mecha! They are human mages after all! Such blanket compartmentalization is wrongful stereotyping and character discrimination!

Equal rights for PAMs! Equal rights for PAMs!

()

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Kha

"...Five minutes ago, a massive blast ripped through the Cadia IRC. Details are still sketchy, but it appears some new canon material has fallen into Cadia:

I'm just going to curl up in the corner and weep now, thank you.

How the hell are we supposed to "stick to the canon" when the canon is so inconsistent, arbitrary, and delayed?

If this goes on, I'm going to just write what I know, and ignore the canon revelations from sources not in the anime, and only the anime.

Originally Posted by Keroko

- Type 4 Gadget Drones were of Ancient Belkan manufacture (suggesting that Jail may not even have been involved with Nanoha's accident).

When was the label "Type 4" first given, out of interest? Was it from Jail, the TSAB, or did the Ancient Belkans actually call them "Type 4"?

I ask because "Type 4" implies Types one to three. If it's a TSAB or Jail label, understandable when it's the fourth model fielded/encountered, rather than the fourth model produced.

Originally Posted by Estavali

For all we know, it could be the the Tome of the Night Sky that sparked of the death of the Homeworld and the Cradle was converted into a fugitive ship for the luckier ones. But that's just yet another piece of speculation, on my part .

Convenient segue to an idea I had:

Can I say that the Tome of the Night Sky (the original pre-Book of Darkness version) was one of thirteen Legendary Artefacts from Al Hazardian times? (Which is not the same as "from Al Hazard", but the general tech/magic/power level is similar.) Obviously, the other twelve would be stuff I make up.

Would that contradict any part of the canon we know?

Originally Posted by Liingo

Gah, more people who want mecha in their mahou shoujo *sigh*

I think I remember something like this happening before in the Old OC thread. It led to a substantial debate on whether MSLN is Mahou Shoujo or Mecha or some proportion of a combination, with plenty of arguments about how much of each genre is present.

I mention this because I'm seeing the same thing now with D&D 4E and the retort to "this is nothing like D&D" being "so what is D&D in the first place?"

[Comartemis]

No objections on the elemental spells but boosted by her Unison? Explain please.

Alright, you know how Rein II boosts Hayate's control to acceptable levels in canon? That's the basic purpose of a unison device, to fill in holes in a mage's abilities and help them with their weak points. But Iris doesn't really have weak points in her spellcasting; power, control, speed, she's above average in all categories including her spell list; she's a hybrid ranged/melee fighter with a lot of ranged spells which can be modified to be used with deadly effect in melee (turning an unguided shooting spell into a shotgun burst for instance). So instead of compensating for a weakness, Iris's unison partner (the second half of her mind, if you will) boosts her ability to convert magic into elemental effects; as they say, two heads are better than one, and Iris has two heads merged into one. Even if they aren't necessarily aware of each other there's still two minds focusing on one given task at any given time... does that make any sense or am I just rambling?

Anyways, here's an alternate take on the Hardsuits I just whipped up. Let's see if Goose likes this one better than the Weapon Device setup.

Spoiler for Armor Device:

Armor Device
An experimental device in development by the TSA Ground Forces special weapons and tactics group known as Durandal, armor devices are a special type of equip device intended to augment the defensive capabilities of mages and knights who utilize them.

Armor devices are designed to be add-ons to a mage's current device, intended to be syncronized with the base device in order to enhance the mage's capabilities (Canon examples of this technology would include Subaru using Mach Calibur in conjunction with her Revolver Knuckle to use Revolver Shoot without expending a cartridge). This is primarily accomplished by replacing the barrier jacket with a suit of armor custom-designed by the mage (which is done the same way as a barrier jacket is; simply by envisioning the desired design), allowing the jacket's energies to be redistributed to boost the mage's speed or defensive capabilites against a specific type of damage. The armor is highly resistant to small-arms fire and possesses its' own defensive fields against hazardous conditions, as well as some limited field protection against magical and physical damage, though not to the same degree as a barrier jacket.

In addition, armor devices contain hardpoints in their designs intended to be occupied by extra programs and add-ons to boost the mage's capabilities further still. Note that the extra expenses created by these extensions prevents them from being used in the planned mass-production models, which largely limits their usage to elite units such as Durandal. Examples of such extensions include:

--Auto-Guard: An ability common to Intelligent Devices, this extension integrates a basic threat-detection AI into the armor device which is able to draw upon and use the mage's magic to erect automatic defenses. Uselessly redundant to mages who utilize Intelligent Devices.

--Cartridge Storage: Mostly utilized by Belkan mages, this extension provides additional space for the mage to carry additional cartridges.

--Accel Charge System: A speed boost system used as a magical afterburner. Common among mages who place an emphasis on speed and evasion.

--Storage Core: The AI core of a storage device is integrated into the armor to enhance spell processing and casting speed.

--Device Integration: Armor devices were created with the majority weapon type in mind, and are intended to be used with weapons such as standard-issue staves, spears, and other hand-held weapons. It is possible, however, to integrate other forms of equip devices into the armor device through the hardpoints. Subaru Nakajima, for instance, uses a pair of Revolver Knuckles with her armor device, along with the armor's built-in roller blades.

--Targeting System: Using information drawn from other devices or Area Search-type spells, a sophisticated targeting computer installed in the armor allows the mage to lock on to multiple targets at once when using multi-shot shooting-type spells with a homing component. Alternatively, this may be used with unguided shooting spells to pinpoint weakpoints in a target's defenses.

--Blaster Bits: One of the most advanced extensions. Using bleeding-edge technology acquired from the experimental Blaster System, the extension launches a set of remote-controlled attack drones which are controlled by either the mage or the device. Typically only used by exceptionally skilled mages with a lot of money to burn, few mages use this extension due to its' complexity and difficulty to handle.

--Blaster System: Not currently available due to issues with mass production and device integration.

If anyone has any ideas for more extensions, let me hear 'em!

[arkhangelsk]

Originally Posted by Kha

"...Five minutes ago, a massive blast ripped through the Cadia IRC. Details are still sketchy, but it appears some new canon material has fallen into Cadia:

Spoiler for Saint's Cradle:

The Saint's Cradle

A Belkan battleship armed with mass-based weaponry. Measuring several kilometers, it was considered a royal treasure of the Saint King Family in the Ancient Belka. During the age of Ancient Belka, it was simply known as the "warship", however, among the members of the royal family it was called the "Cradle" since it was normal for them to be born, raised and finally die inside of it. It has been said that it was responsible for the large-scale dimensional dislocation that happened in the year 462 of the old Mid-Childan calendar, mentioned by Yuuno in the episode 8 of the first season, which resulted in the destruction of the Belkan homeworld along with many others nearby it. It was continuously searched for by historians, theologians and archaeologists, but it remained missing until the events told in StrikerS, when was first classified as a highly dangerous Lost Logia.In episode 21, Yuuno's research about it revealed that it was already considered a Lost Logia during the time of Ancient Belka and that its origins could be traced back to Al-Hazard, although details were scarce. For its activation, a member of the Saint King's bloodline is necessary, which was made possible during StrikerS due to the presence of Vivio, an artificial human being created with using the Saint King's genetic information.

The inside of the battleship is covered with a high-density AMF but, because magic is an abundant and highly efficient power source for its activities in Mid-Childa, it was not nullified completely at first. In the ancient times, the Belkan Knights and the crew of the Cradle received training to act under AMF conditions so to increase their efficiency when protecting the ship from intruding mages. It is said that if positioned so it could receive energy support from the two moons of Mid-Childa, its defensive capacities greatly improve, becoming capable of magical bombardment, precision snipping, ship-to-surface strikes and dimensional-crossing attacks. Furthermore, it is perfectly capable of fighting both within the atmosphere, outer-space and within the dimensional sea. Among the the weapons available for the Cradle's magic-using soldiers, worth of note are the half-globes made of a glass-like substance that are spread along its hull and are actually a anti-aircraft gunport laser. The Craddle possess a total of 56 of these: 42 in the lower part of the hull (21 in each side) and 14 in the upper part. However, they are concentrated mostly in the front, leaving a blind spot in the rear bottom of the ship. In StrikerS, the Gadget Drones were mainly protecting this blind spot during the climax of the story. The Cradle's interior are extremely wide, to the point that aerial combat becomes possible, and can easily comport an army Type IV Gadget Drones. Note that these Type IV are not Scaglietti's work, but were part of the Cradle's equipment since the beggining and played a very important role in the defense of the ship during the ancient times.

Most of the ship's important internal facilities are located in the rear, near the bow between the the Throne Room and the Engine Drive. The engine is a big, red crystal which, once attacked, will be protected by an automatic defensive that will begin to retaliate indiscriminately. The purpose of the chambers where Quattro positioned herself are unknown, but is believed to be a sort of control room, since she was able to control the Cradle's actions from there.

Jail Scaglietti and his Numbers tried to hold Mid-Childa hostage with the Cradle's power, but they were defeated and the ship was later destroyed by Chrono's fleet at Episode 26.

A cursory look at nanohawiki by Nightengale has confirmed the data on some points, like the 462 year of the old Childa calender, but the link of Cradle to the biggest dimensional dislocation in memory is still in question.

Nevertheless, this may very well change what we know of Belka history. As you can see this newly erected fence around the crash site was put up by the Saint Guard less then 2 hours ago. The Cleric-Knights and some Inquisitors have already moved in and retrieved the mess for an internal investigation. Media has been cordoned off, we even see that TSAB Enforcers have been blocked! And we are still getting no word from the Belka self-government about this issue.

Looks like we have to wait this out and see what becomes of this Khrack. Back to you Gerald."

- Except of a report filed by reporter Phillis Hemmingway at Ground Zero.

Interesting. Can we have the original Japanese?

[Kha]

Just a quick post, but Ark look up Nanohawiki. This came form en.wiki. Gtg for my test nao.