2012-10-26, 13:42 | Link #181 | |
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And those conspirancy theories at least are a good proof of our great imagination xD Well I will try to find it, if I do I will show it to you otherwise I simply accept my defeat, it's not like we could proof anything ourselves ^^ |
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2012-10-28, 09:24 | Link #182 | |
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For example any thing with dark in its name is basically a fudge to get the current models working. Personally I believe that the best scientists are the ones who are open minded and are willing to put anything under the same level of rigorous testing and that proven today doesn't mean proven tomorrow! So something that is considered nutty by the current academic community might not be in a few years time
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2012-10-28, 10:06 | Link #183 |
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@ grey moon
Those are at least based on maths and other substantive theories, it's a far cry from, saying a microwave oven can make people see ghosts without any substantive evidence to back it up, especially when electromagnetic radiation are pretty well understood. |
2012-10-28, 16:48 | Link #184 | |
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As for staying open minded, one can only do so to a certain extent. when a new-idea comes about, one would first compare it to well proven theories, or laws, in the current field. in this case, these would be the laws governing electromagnetic waves, which was studied extensively and have been proven experimentally time and again for over a century. now, if an idea wants to say the opposite, it had better stand up to scrutiny. the thing about science is that once something is more or less "proven", or established, it stays that way until proven otherwise. staying open minded means to accept the evidence presented in front of you. any good scientist will dismiss any and all "ideas" is there's zero credible evidence backing it up |
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2012-10-29, 01:25 | Link #185 | |
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EM is well understood, but high levels directed at the human brain to cause visual impairment??? A dark subject and testing is frowned upon with today's modern science. But I'll say one thing, every lab with a high powered magnetron device comes with a boat load of warning labels. Science or not, I personally believe that having your brained cooked with EMR, seeing things could be a side effect, that and death *EDIT* Hmmm even a quick google brings up a wiki entry on EM and the human brain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...against_humans "When used against humans electromagnetic weapons can have dramatic effects, such as the intense burning sensation caused by Raytheon's Active Denial system, or more subtle effects such as the creation—at a distance—of a sense of anxiety or dread, intense drowsiness, or confusion in an individual or a group of people." So EM does effect the human brain, can it make people see things? Maybe by setting up the right mental environment even a shadow passing can appear to be something else!
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If you can't see the difference between that and pulling stuff out of one's arse, then there's not much to talk about. Quote:
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BTW, every moment of your life, your body, including your brain, is bombarded with multiple types of EMR, guess you better put those tinfoils on. Too bad it won't help Quote:
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2012-10-29, 02:11 | Link #187 |
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@kyp275 - There are plenty of easy to understand and entertaining documentaries discussing the dark theories (et al) and specifically have the leading scientist expressing their dislike/unease of the theories because of how they are kinda pulled out of someone's arse so theory A doesn't disrupt theory B.
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2012-10-29, 02:16 | Link #188 |
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You're ignoring the context. Compared to your more traditional scientific theories, dark matter/energy would look like something that came out of nowhere since it's all theoretical, but that's hardly the same as something that goes against currently established facts without even so much as a theory backing it.
BTW, the Higgs Boson was very much in the same boat as dark matter/energy, and look how that one turned out. |
2012-10-29, 02:21 | Link #189 | |
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Ah the power of media speculation The confirmation of HB is so very important as it would go a long way in actually proving some of the theories!
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2012-10-29, 02:40 | Link #190 |
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Not sure where YOU'RE getting your information from, but the latest from CERN is that they've confirmed the existence of a new particle that behaves just like what a Higgs Boson should, the results has been peer-reviewed, and will be undergoing additional confirmation testing after the LHC is back up online.
This is nothing new, the news of the confirmation was well over a month ago. |
2012-10-29, 02:48 | Link #191 | |
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They found something that behaves like it, lets wait for the confirmation before cracking open the discovery of the decade champers! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16116236 Also please read the comments of the following: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap...een-confirmed/
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2012-10-29, 05:51 | Link #192 | |
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Is CERN going to to additional testing? yes. Does that change their assertion that they've found the Higgs? no. In any case, this has gone off the rails enough. The original point is that there's a difference between actual science and random off-the-handle claims without any basis to back it up. Not ALL claims are created equal, otherwise you're basically operating under the same principles that lead to pseudo-science crap like creationism. I can make a claim that I can jump to the moon from the surface of the earth because I have the ability to step on air, should a completely bogus claim like that be received with the same "open mindedness" as, say, the Standard Model in physics? |
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2012-10-29, 08:00 | Link #193 | |
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I don't think we would ever see eye to eye as I personally prefer an approach of discussion, and at least trying to see someone else's PoV before branding them an heretic I'm not saying that this is who you are as I don't know you, but your response to the earlier post which triggered my response and the subsequent replies to mine makes me think this, but still I've had a very interesting discussion.
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2012-10-29, 08:08 | Link #194 | |
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Ehm, even if you could do that...in the outer space we have a vacuum, so no stepping on air xD (sry for nitpicking ^^) Ah well as promised the name of the researcher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Tandy Problem is his case was with infrasound not with microwaves but my claim basically is that even an un-ionized wave with the correct wavelength can affect the human brain (without ofc cooking it XD) while yours is that they can't. Btw I know that infrasound is a mechanical wave and that mcrowave is an em-wave but the major difference between those 2 is only that the one needs a medium while the other doesn't, both have the same rules at the basics. But as cases are rare and as u said they are NOT reviewed by some scients in a lab (at least I don't think so) I more or less give up. The problem is that this case won't satisfy you and it's completly correct that it won't as this is no actual proof. Ah and for the conspiracy theory thingy it seems we both talked at cross purposes xD My point is that conspiracy theories are things that animate people to think over certain circumstances both as a normal rational thinking human and ofc scientists aswell. Out of that animation people can think of things they have never thought before of and can come to new (scientific) conclusions, I never meant that you should believe in those, they should be just the stepping stone for actual discoveries. Sry, I sometimes lag the right words, not in english but in general to convey my point. EDIT: Ah and yes I have to thank u aswell it's nice to have a partner in a discussion who doesn't believe in everything you say without an actual proof and is not getting subjective or anything over the time |
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Human reaction to infrasound (if even real, as there are very limited studies on this that I can find, and those that I have are suspect to say the least) would likely be something of an automatic physiological response, perhaps an evolutionary leftover from earlier ages. |
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EDIT: Btw how did the discussion about the NerveGear evolve in a discussion about dark matter and Higgs Bosons? XD |
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2012-10-29, 10:32 | Link #197 | |
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On topic as it has to do with can microwaves modify how the brain perceives things. I posted the quote from the wiki "When used against humans electromagnetic weapons can have dramatic effects, such as the intense burning sensation caused by Raytheon's Active Denial system, or more subtle effects such as the creation—at a distance—of a sense of anxiety or dread, intense drowsiness, or confusion in an individual or a group of people." Which to me reads as: At short range causes burning At long range aka distance "or more subtle effects such as the creation—at a distance—of a sense of anxiety or dread, intense drowsiness, or confusion in an individual or a group of people" But from your reply it seemed to me that you decided to bundle the effects without taking range into account just to make your point. Whether or not the science is good or bad, if you decide to interpret information the way you want isn't that just bad science? There you go again trying to associate my PoV with creationism But if you read my main point which I may not have gotten across properly, is that I believe that any theory should be taken with an open mind and subjected to the same level of high review and testing. By doing that I believe pseudo science will be eliminated rather then a breeding ground of misinformation, even some sciences which are considered norm, for example "dietitians vs nutritionists" Fanatical science can be just as bad a fanatical religion IMHO *EDIT* In terms of making the brain hear stuff that isn't there, I think a good area to start is psycho acoustic modelling, which is a well established science. One of its main uses is to reduce the size of audio files, as you can drop parts of the wave and the brain still perceives it! There is also the super set of this which I can't remember the name of right now, which deals with how the brain deals with data in general. One area this was being looked at is how to make games more realistic via the good old 2d screen
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Which brings me to the second point, I'm actually somewhat familiar with the ADS (military), and I have never even heard of any of the secondary effect mentioned in the wiki article being associated with the actual millimeter wave, which incidentally is also the only place where it can be found. Go look up all the papers published, both by the DoD and various universities on the ADS, it'll become readily apparent to you what's actually there and what's not. Moral of the story is, take stuff you see on wikipedia with a grain of salt. Quote:
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2012-11-12, 21:49 | Link #199 |
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Is SAO save data that corrupted ALO stats bugs already discussed here?
I though this could become serious security bug in ALO. But in other hand could also become pretty interesting feature for ALO/SAO like game which is player could transfer his stat from one game to another.
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2012-11-12, 22:00 | Link #200 |
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I've always felt that a good comparison to the SAO -> ALO save thing is Baldur's gate.
You could transfer a character from Baldur's Gate 1 to Baldur's Gate 2, which basically ran off the same engine. They'd keep their levels, experience, abilities, whatever. Some items could transferred over, but not all of them. You see, every item had a filepath, something like "ilo100005" (Not an actual example.). But in the sequel, some of them were changed. So item "ilo100005" might be a longsword+2 in BG1, in BG2 that location now refers to a ring of protection or something. So looking back at SAO, ALO appears to use enough of the same engine that most of the relevant character data (Which mostly just seems to be weapon skills.) is stored in the same location as a numerical value. Same with money. But with the exception of Yui, all the item paths got used for other stuff. At least that's the way I see it. |
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