F/sn Future Speculation discussion

[xris]

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[Village Idiot]

From the looks of the advance previews for the next several episodes:

Spoiler for Ep11-14 Previews:

１１話「鮮血神殿（ブラッド・フォート・アンドロメダ）」
凛は鍛錬を積んできた士郎を見て彼の魔術の本質を知る。
午前中はセイバーと稽古午後からは凛に魔術を教わり戦いに備える日々を送る士郎。
そんな士郎に慎二は電話をかけ「どうしても話しておきたいことがあるから一人で学校へ来い」と 告げる。

Ep 11. The Temple Of Blood (Blood Fort Adromeda)
Shirou spends his days by practising Swords play with Saber in the morning and mastering Magic with Rin in the afternoon. Through Rin's trainings, Shiro learnt the essence of Magic.Then Shinji called, saying he wish to speak with Shirou alone in the school.

１２話「空を裂く」
これ以上慎二に人を傷つけさせたくない士郎はライダーを倒し聖杯戦争から離脱させる決意を固め る。
そして士郎とセイバーは慎二を探し新都へと赴く。

Ep12. Splitting The Sky.
Shirou, who does not want to hurt Shinji, makes the decison to kill Rider to pull shinji out of the Grail War. So he and Saber headed for Shinjuku to search for Shinji.


１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。

Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.

１４話「無限の剣製（アンリミテッド・ブレイド・ワークス）」
イリヤに捕らわれてしまった士郎を救い出すためアインツベルン城を目指すセイバー達。
イリヤの不在時に城に潜入し士郎を連れ脱出しようとするが…。

Ep 14. Unlimited Blade Works
Shirou's captured by Illya. Saber and the rest, after planning a resue mission, headed for Castle Einzbern when Illya's not around to rescue Shirou.

What do you guys think of the direction the anime is headed to?

Spoiler for Anime speculation, will contain game spoilers:

So far, it's definitely the Fate scenerio, yet Archer's cryptic comment at the end of Ep10 hints that it'll also be heading down the UBW scenerio (or he still lacks his memory and is just providing cryptic advice like he did in the Fate scenerio).

However, they're doing the whole "Shirou gets captured by Ilya" part of the Fate scenerio, and we all know what'll happen there.

Will it be changed so that Archer is merely injured in his fight and regains his memories when Shirou uses his true ability?

Is this also the end of Rider? As from the previews, it mentioned Saber beating her.

But what about Caster? Is she going to be doing what she did in the UBW scenerio with Saber?

My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

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My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).

Spoiler:

With that in mind, one would think the show would at least get a OAV at the end of the series.. maybe two, but i believe Fate's not gonna be like that - so far the anime has covered all the information needed to make it a stable anime series.. even though they'll probably leave out info' that people are going to wanna know.

Also..

Spoiler for to do with anime:

Ilya's father.


Shirou's stepfather.

I wonder if anymore information shall be given.. or if people are going to notice Shirou & Ilya's connection.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Spoiler for Anime speculation, will contain game spoilers:

So far, it's definitely the Fate scenerio, yet Archer's cryptic comment at the end of Ep10 hints that it'll also be heading down the UBW scenerio (or he still lacks his memory and is just providing cryptic advice like he did in the Fate scenerio).

However, they're doing the whole "Shirou gets captured by Ilya" part of the Fate scenerio, and we all know what'll happen there.

Will it be changed so that Archer is merely injured in his fight and regains his memories when Shirou uses his true ability?

Is this also the end of Rider? As from the previews, it mentioned Saber beating her.

But what about Caster? Is she going to be doing what she did in the UBW scenerio with Saber?

My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).

Spoiler for for reply, will contain game spoilers:

In my opinion Archer and Shirou's story from UBW is just too good to miss, problem is as you have said with Shinji taking up 3 eps would they be able to pull off the ending with a Caster/Archer arc. and then theres also Sakura and Rin's story that they dropped a few hints here and there even though HF seems unlikely at this point they might explore that connection somehow.

Thats kinda why I was hoping the previews were fake since the pacing seems to be too slow to show all the things I personally want them to in the anime

As it stands right now it certainly does look like Fate with MAYBE some UBW

[Tabris]

Originally Posted by Angelsama

Spoiler for to do with anime:

Ilya's father.


Shirou's stepfather.

I wonder if anymore information shall be given.. or if people are going to notice Shirou & Ilya's connection.

Spoiler:

I was thinking about that, but then I dismissed it.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Tabris

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I was thinking about that, but then I dismissed it.

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Indeed i know people are gonna be doing that, but this is probably the smallest link we'll see to Shirou & Ilya's connection.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Spoiler for for reply, will contain game spoilers:

In my opinion Archer and Shirou's story from UBW is just too good to miss, problem is as you have said with Shinji taking up 3 eps would they be able to pull off the ending with a Caster/Archer arc. and then theres also Sakura and Rin's story that they dropped a few hints here and there even though HF seems unlikely at this point they might explore that connection somehow.

Thats kinda why I was hoping the previews were fake since the pacing seems to be too slow to show all the things I personally want them to in the anime

As it stands right now it certainly does look like Fate with MAYBE some UBW

Spoiler:

Agreed.

I just cannot see a Fate/stay night anime that at the very least does not incorporate Archer's story of the UBW storyline.

[Sushi-Y]

Some of the preview translations are oddly off, so I'm going to redo them here.

Spoiler:

１２話「空を裂く」
これ以上慎二に人を傷つけさせたくない士郎はライダーを倒し聖杯戦争から離脱させる決意を固め る。
そして士郎とセイバーは慎二を探し新都へと赴く。

Ep12. Tearing the Sky.
Not willing to let Shinji hurt any more people, Shirou reinforces his decision to remove him from the Holy Grail War by defeating Rider. And so, Shirou and Saber proceeds onto Shinto in search for Shinji.

１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。

Ep 13. Castle of Winter
Releasing her noble phantasm during her intense battle against Rider, Saber exhausts her magic powers and collapses. Knowing that Saber will disappear at this rate if nothing is done to replenish her magic powers, Shirou becomes depressed at himself for not being able to do anything.

１４話「無限の剣製（アンリミテッド・ブレイド・ワークス）」
イリヤに捕らわれてしまった士郎を救い出すためアインツベルン城を目指すセイバー達。
イリヤの不在時に城に潜入し士郎を連れ脱出しようとするが…。

Ep 14. Unlimited Blade Works
Saber and the others head towards the Einzbern castle in order to rescue Shirou, who was captured by Ilya. They try to infiltrate the castle while Ilya is away and escape with Shirou, but...

As for the direction, it's clear enough from all these previews that it's going towards:

Spoiler for game stuff:

Fate route. But the title for episode 14, Unlimited Blade Works, suggests that something from that scenario will appear here.

Maybe rather than Archer killing Berserker 6 times before dying like he did in Fate, Archer will use his UBW here and pwn Berserker?

I don't doubt for a moment that Archer is the Archer from UBW, all those "hints" towards Shirou suggests he never had any memory loss.

As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.

[Shikimori Kazuki]

Spoiler:

i think Rider, of course will from the previews that she will die, if she don't die, than this story will drag on a few episodes, and they will have to rush and skip all other details. So far, i think Archer will die, while using UBW? you know they are mixing FATE/UBW together so it can be possible that Archer dies trying to kill Berserker with UBW, but this is how i look at it. This is all i speculate for now, need to watch more to see where it will take us

[Mr. Guy]

Originally Posted by Shikimori Kazuki

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i think Rider, of course will from the previews that she will die, if she don't die, than this story will drag on a few episodes, and they will have to rush and skip all other details. So far, i think Archer will die, while using UBW? you know they are mixing FATE/UBW together so it can be possible that Archer dies trying to kill Berserker with UBW, but this is how i look at it. This is all i speculate for now, need to watch more to see where it will take us

Spoiler for Response to this, gameness too:

I don't think Archer's going to end up dieing, like in Fate. I think he'll reveal his Noble Phantasm and own Berserker with it. Killing him off then will just put all those hints that Archer left go to waste. The Archer/Shirou deal is a part I don't think they're going to leave out.

And don't feel bad about Saber's lack of mana Shirou! You do have a way to replenish it! The question is, will they leave it in and make me very happy? Or will they just skip it? As that moments seems to be coming up in either episode 12 or 13.

As for Rider...

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Guy

Spoiler:

The Archer/Shirou deal is a part I don't think they're going to leave out.

Spoiler:

I very much agree, what with how much they've been pushing to it & leaving hints here and there.. the shock when i found out was pretty amazing, so i wanna at least be able to feel that again.. even though i know. ^^;

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Some of the preview translations are oddly off, so I'm going to redo them here.

Given that I learnt all my Japanese from Anime, Dorama, J-Pop and Ero-Games, I hope my translation isn't that off to the point that people will be misled.

Spoiler:

As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.

Looking at my previous episode previews for :-

Ep 2-4

Ep 7-10

Which are from the same source quoting from Animage, I have no doubt that those are legit synopsis. So.....

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Spoiler:

As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.

Spoiler:

It would depend on HOW Rider "die," look at Aoi form MO. Ep13 could show Rider "dying" then bring her back a few episode later for a HF ending.

it all come sdown to who would make a better Villan The priest or the housewife.

The previews are just that previews. it doesn't tell us everything.

Hopefully we get a HF ending with good sabre still around.

I like Seed Mode Sakura even through she scares the hell out of me

[demon_god04]

Spoiler for for reply to Xellos' spoiler quote:

The problem is will they have enough eps to properly direct the plot to a HF ending especially with the previews showing what they are. It looks like its going to be heavily Fate with some Archer goodness, with the number of eps those events seem to eat up, and the direction the anime is going, it doesnt look like HF is eve remotely possible in a 24 - 26 ep anime.

on a side note I dont mean to be a backseat mod but we need to label the spoiler tags otherwise it would be pointless to have them in the first place -.-

Originally Posted by xris

Please make sure you use spoiler tags when making posts concerning the second and third topics above! Also provide where the source of such speculation come from if at all possible (i.e. "Animeage", or "Game") and identify any spoiler tags with the use of the subject title (see the paragraph below how to do this). Untagged spoilers are risking a ban for the poster, please use the Report button if you see any unmarked spoilers.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Spoiler:

It would depend on HOW Rider "die," look at Aoi form MO. Ep13 could show Rider "dying" then bring her back a few episode later for a HF ending.

Spoiler:

To survive a direct blow from Excalibur ? That will just make Saber look underpower. Besides, it was never explictly stated that the same Servant can be revive for the same war. Game purist might not like that.

Of course, there's a need to see if Shinji survive his Fate Fate. There's a lack of a punch without Sakura poping his head after her back story is revealed should they go for HF for the last 3/4 of the anime.

[KiNA]

So really no chance for HF route?

From the preview.. I cant wait how Shirou handle his dilemma in ep 13/14

btw.. thanks ojisan ^^

[EvoSpace]

Spoiler for Ep11-14 Previews:

１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。

Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.

Spoiler:

As Sushi-Y said, there's a translation error here! It never says Rider was defeated. It just says, after a fierce battle with Rider, Saber released her Noble Phantasm, and that causes her to collapse from exhaust of mana.

So there's still a slight chance Rider will come back... Because I'm sure they will be revealing Sakura's past and it'll be great to have Rider in there!

[Shikimori Kazuki]

Originally Posted by EvoSpace

Spoiler for Ep11-14 Previews:

１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。

Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.

Spoiler:

I see a translation error here! It never says Rider was defeated. It just says, after a fierce battle with Rider, Saber released her Noble Phantasm, and that causes her to collapse from exhaust of mana.

So there's still a chance Rider will come back. Because I'm sure they will be revealing Sakura's past and it'll be great to have Rider in there!

Spoiler:

Saber...depletion of mana, i WONDER what Shirou and Rin will do...MUHAHAH,ahahah *nosebleeed* oooops...

[roan]

zouken's results in the polls.

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　３６位はこの人。昨年行われた“『hollow』で出番がなかった大会”で見事準優勝となったご老人だー っ！
　また、来年開催予定の“アニメで出番がなかった大会”でもかなりの順位が予想されております 。ほろり。

hf elements without zouken? （´・ω・） ｶﾜｲｿｽ

[stormy001_M1A2]

Rider vs Saber scene on top of building should be epic fight.