Character Discussion - Lelouch

[youngde]

To be honest, Lelouch probably wouldn't have to do many atrocities. If you threaten to blow up anyone that opposes you w/ big ass bombs, even stories of atrocities, even ones that aren't true would almost certainly make the world hate you more and more. Lelouch is in charge of the world and just Geass people into making up stories about him. Word of mouth and some cleaverly staged 'acts' (literally) of violence is all it would really take.

[Lie]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

These things they did in an age where communication, records, and other means of information gathering were horribly primitive by comparison. In the digital age, Lelouch's actions, his deliberately tyrannical actions, would be known to all. The Sum of All Fears conveys this point rather well.

For some reason, the ending to Code Geass and Lelouch's actions felt more like a mix of 1984's concept and Frank Herbert's Dune.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Lie

For some reason, the ending to Code Geass and Lelouch's actions felt more like a mix of 1984's concept and Frank Herbert's Dune.

It's been a while since 1984. I don't remember that too clearly. With Dune I assume you mean the God Emperor, and there I can certainly see the resemblance.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by youngde

To be honest, Lelouch probably wouldn't have to do many atrocities. If you threaten to blow up anyone that opposes you w/ big ass bombs, even stories of atrocities, even ones that aren't true would almost certainly make the world hate you more and more. Lelouch is in charge of the world and just Geass people into making up stories about him. Word of mouth and some cleaverly staged 'acts' (literally) of violence is all it would really take.

I am just saying that Lelouch predecessor was his father Charles, a man who conquered many countries preformed massive atrocities,, and caused deaths in the millions.

Lelouch is an improvement.

[scifijimmy]

Originally Posted by Lie

For some reason, the ending to Code Geass and Lelouch's actions felt more like a mix of 1984's concept and Frank Herbert's Dune.

It's been a while since 1984. I don't remember that too clearly. With Dune I assume you mean the God Emperor, and there I can certainly see the resemblance.

Either that Sequel or the one before it, Children of Dune, show prime examples of preparing the way for a better world but not being there to enjoy it.

Though this becomes kind of dumbed down again in the recent "DUNE 7" finale books in which I understand Paul get ressurrected as a ghola.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by scifijimmy

Though this becomes kind of dumbed down again in the recent "DUNE 7" finale books in which I understand Paul get ressurrected as a ghola.

He actually planned that, too, if I'm not mistaken. In fact the better world was itself merely a preparation for a conflict yet to come that would have destroyed a civilization so heavily dependent on a single commodity concentrated to a single planet.

Lelouch's plans aren't so far reaching, though. He's just made peace likely to last a few generations beyond him.

[scifijimmy]

He actually planned that, too, if I'm not mistaken. In fact the better world was itself merely a preparation for a conflict yet to come that would have destroyed a civilization so heavily dependent on a single commodity concentrated to a single planet.

As i said I've only read up the "Legends of Dune" trilogy, so I know that the thinking machines are out there during much of the story up to the conclusion, but my parents have read and discussed it in my presence. Thus my actual knowledge is limited.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by scifijimmy

As i said I've only read up the "Legends of Dune" trilogy, so I know that the thinking machines are out there during much of the story up to the conclusion, but my parents have read and discussed it in my presence. Thus my actual knowledge is limited.

Same here. Going off summaries for the books.

Back on topic, somewhat, Dune does make an interesting parallel for the end, at least when Leto II comes around. Arguably he was a lot more persistent, though.

[Lie]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Lelouch's plans aren't so far reaching, though. He's just made peace likely to last a few generations beyond him.

Honestly, I doubt that. As much nice a thought as it would be, Lelouch's work will only last while those carrying his dreams are alive. That basically entails all of four people: Suzaku, Nunally, Kallen, and C.C.. With C.C. being immortal there is a plus, but she alone can't do anything.
On the other hand, Dune's plot was a bit more far reaching and elaborate. It is similar but Lelouch's is rather short sighted relativistically speaking.

[cors8]

Originally Posted by Lie

Honestly, I doubt that. As much nice a thought as it would be, Lelouch's work will only last while those carrying his dreams are alive. That basically entails all of four people: Suzaku, Nunally, Kallen, and C.C.. With C.C. being immortal there is a plus, but she alone can't do anything.
On the other hand, Dune's plot was a bit more far reaching and elaborate. It is similar but Lelouch's is rather short sighted relativistically speaking.

I think the overall peace will last for a few generations but degenerate bit by bit each generation until a new war breaks out.

Who knows though. Depends on what you think of humans in general.

[Lie]

Originally Posted by cors8

I think the overall peace will last for a few generations but degenerate bit by bit each generation until a new war breaks out.

Who knows though. Depends on what you think of humans in general.

I won't deny being a bit of a cynic. But it is a peace built on mutual hate. While its nice in theory, it's not the greatest of plans in application. People will not be held together by hatred for someone who is dead for that long. Zero/Suzaku are a nice counter measure, to keep people reminded of everything, but that will only really last as long as Suzaku is alive and healthy. C.C. and Kallen will also likely do their best to maintain Lelouch's dream, but what can they really do aside from forming a contract and having a girl's night on the world.

That'd be a nice sequel now that I think about it, Kallen and C.C. form a contract to keep Lelouch's world intact. Then we can continue the love triangle with the ghost/voice of Lelouch. Win.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Lie

I won't deny being a bit of a cynic. But it is a peace built on mutual hate. While its nice in theory, it's not the greatest of plans in application. People will not be held together by hatred for someone who is dead for that long. Zero/Suzaku are a nice counter measure, to keep people reminded of everything, but that will only really last as long as Suzaku is alive and healthy. C.C. and Kallen will also likely do their best to maintain Lelouch's dream, but what can they really do aside from forming a contract and having a girl's night on the world.

That'd be a nice sequel now that I think about it, Kallen and C.C. form a contract to keep Lelouch's world intact.

I would give it a few years at most. Hitler killed millions and right after he was defeated the Cold War began.

The heavy duty work is going to have to be done by Suzaku, Nunnaly, and Ougi. Lelouch just gave them a chance, now their going to have to finish it.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

I would give it a few years at most. Hitler killed millions and right after he was defeated the Cold War began.

The heavy duty work is going to have to be done by Suzaku, Nunnaly, and Ougi. Lelouch just gave them a chance, now their going to have to finish it.

Well, not technically a "war." More like a long period of tension and hostility. At any rate, though, people have always been fighting somewhere in the world. We just can't get enough of it.

[toru310]

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[HayashiTakara]

It still makes me sad inside that none of Lelouches allies save for Karen realized that he sacrificed his life for the happiness that they are now experiencing... *sob

[Shuuda]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

It still makes me sad inside that none of Lelouches allies save for Karen realized that he sacrificed his life for the happiness that they are now experiencing... *sob

You give Kallen too much credit, and the others too little credit. For example: what is there to stop Nina from telling Milly and Rivalz about it? And there is atleast some implications that other people figured it out.

[youngde]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

It still makes me sad inside that none of Lelouches allies save for Karen realized that he sacrificed his life for the happiness that they are now experiencing... *sob

While it's true that Kallen first realized what was about to happen, I'm pretty sure by others reactions as/after the fact, at least Ougi, Tohdoh and Kaguya figured it out (probably Cornelia, too).

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by youngde

While it's true that Kallen first realized what was about to happen, I'm pretty sure by others reactions as/after the fact, at least Ougi, Tohdoh and Kaguya figured it out (probably Cornelia, too).

I think Ougi, Tohdoh and crew still think Ill of Lelouche especially Ougi, I ended up hating him. I haven't seen any indication that everyone else figured it out. It was too bad that Karen figured it out when it was already too late.

I just find it tragic when a noble sacrifice is made and everyone is ignorant about it... but I suppose that was Lelouchs plan afterall.

[Shuuda]

I haven't seen any indication that everyone else figured it out.

Well:

- The talk between C.C. and Kaguya.
- Todou's line when Zero stabs Lelouch.
- Their general reactions, some of them look pretty sad.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Well:

- The talk between C.C. and Kaguya.
- Todou's line when Zero stabs Lelouch.
- Their general reactions, some of them look pretty sad.

They seemed more confused than sad. I'll have to rewatch it again, but Kaguya still appeared as jaded as everyone else.