The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[yggdrasil325]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Hey guys, remember this request?



Please?

I posted yesterday that the multiverse would be a good basis for Itsuko technobabble. If you're looking for a write-up, though, I'm not the guy for the job. It would probably be something along the lines of "There are infinite parallel universes, differing mostly on the quantum level, and through the subconscious powers of one Suzumiya or the other, we seem to have been dragged to the universe where certain specific people's gender's are reversed."

[besieger]

Idea overshaodowed by a pointless debate.

Great. JUST GREAT.

It was HEISENBERG UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hey, that was discussed... then... forgotten. It's not like we completely ignored it.

[scify]

Originally Posted by yggdrasil325

I posted yesterday that the multiverse would be a good basis for Itsuko technobabble. If you're looking for a write-up, though, I'm not the guy for the job. It would probably be something along the lines of "There are infinite parallel universes, differing mostly on the quantum level, and through the subconscious powers of one Suzumiya or the other, we seem to have been dragged to the universe where certain specific people's gender's are reversed."

I can see that tying in nicely with the constant, varying iterations from Endless Eight...

And, actually, given Kyonko's earlier theorizing on the existence of an infinite number of universes spawning from the varying choices she has made throughout her life (Trousers of Time, anyone?), I can see her joining in for once instead of being a bemused listener.

[otai]

The way I roughly see that discussion going;

Kyon first brings up the idea of alternate universes.

Koizumi chimes in by expanding that into Everett's multiverse theory.

Asahina, the time travellers, points out that theory cannot be proven, and that Einstein's special relativity are all solved by assuming a single universe. When pointed out that time travellers violate/severely bend relativity theories by NOT being close-to-massless-at-speed-of-light, they go "classified information".

They then hit upon the idea that one of the universes were created; and Itsuki points out that since they all are in a universe where HARUHI is goddess; they are for all intents and purposes, the original. ("Her will is Imperative, Her reality is Law")

They then go to the aliens for their data analysis to confirm. Aliens reply that it is impossible to tell from available data, (This could be where we insert Heisenberg, though it'll be a stretch) but Yuuki admits that Itsuki's logic is sound, as far as Suzumiya is concerned; scaring the seitenkan SOS members.

We could also have a scared Mitsuuru asking Nagato to gather more data to confirm that deduction, and Yuuki offers to vaporize an experiment subject into quantum bits to cast into the quantum foam for more data. Obviously, there's no takers.

That's all I could figure for now.

[Heatth]

By 'Itsuki' you mea Itsuko right? Because only he seitenkan brigade is awere of the two universes so far.

Also, just to make clear, Mitsuuru can't contact his future right? It don't exist in that world. Can he contact Mikuru's future insted? Th same goes for Yuuki, he can contact Yuki's ata Overmind, and even use it to jump around with Kyonko on his arms. But can he ask things to then, like in otai idea, or they wouldn't answer because he is a stranger. Or they misstook him by Yuki (as they are very similar)?

Asking it because some ideas (like scyfi's and otai's) are based on that questions.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If Mitsuuru or Yuuki were able to contact their counterparts' groups, it really wouldn't do them a lot of good. Mitsuuru probably wouldn't be believed and Yuuki... would most likely be considered an anomaly and have several interfaces after the group, provided they don't take the direct approach of "Delete."

This is just how I see the scenarios happening, mind you. This is in no way indicative of the VN.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

If Mitsuuru or Yuuki were able to contact their counterparts' groups, it really wouldn't do them a lot of good. Mitsuuru probably wouldn't be believed and Yuuki... would most likely be considered an anomaly and have several interfaces after the group, provided they don't take the direct approach of "Delete."

This is just how I see the scenarios happening, mind you. This is in no way indicative of the VN.

I agree with you. Tough the IDE probably is curious about the short appearance of Yuuki in Day3. Obviously, their 'curious' is probably a bad thing.

A scenariou of Yuuki protecting the Seitenkan brigade of attack from many interfaces wouldbe alsome, btw. And sad (cause he would obviously fail).

PP:
By the way, reposting the wikipedia article of Heisenberg uncertainty principle (from besieger idea).

[Dakota]

Hey, are you sluts making a visual novel? I'm a programmer.

[swtrooper42]

You'd have to ask Heatth, since he seems to be in charge of the programming that gets done around here.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If you're skilled in... whatever Ren'py uses, I'm sure you'll be allowed on the programming staff. As far as I know, the only role we have less people assigned to/volunteering for is audio, but we aren't worrying about that part just yet.

[Dakota]

Python? Shit, any shmuck can pick up a high-level programming language.

[Heatth]

What this mean, exactly?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Heatth

What this mean, exactly?

... You don't program much, do you?

Wait never mind, Ren'Py has it's own script. This can be so incredibly easy for me.

ALSO

Whoever is in charge of audio (Danchou?), I make music. Talk to me.

[swtrooper42]

Originally Posted by Heatth

What this mean, exactly?

I think he's saying that anyone can learn programming. He goes on to brag that he's the best thing to happen to programming since Donald Knuth.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

I think he's saying that anyone can learn programming. He goes on to brag that he's the best thing to happen to programming since Donald Knuth.

Anyone can learn Ren'Py, it's painfully easy.

AND DONT YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN

[CanadaAotS]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I was trying to avoid playing up the yuri aspects of the scene.

Really? Good thing I wear my yuri goggles ALL THE TIME at maximum power.

That said, I quite enjoyed the scene

Originally Posted by Jintor

I was thinking about something.

Is Kyonko just a Tsundere archetype instead of being an actual Gender-bent Kyon?

Convince me otherwise.

/EDIT Alternatively, is Kyon a male tsundere unrecognizable as a tsundere due to gender?

You could say that they're both tsundere (Kyonko more so) but it's not a defining characteristic for them. Being snarky defines them a lot more then the odd tsun and dere moment they may have.

I'd take this moment to say the same applies to Haruhi. I've never thought of her as a tsundere really.

Originally Posted by otai

Asahina, the time travellers, points out that theory cannot be proven, and that Einstein's special relativity are all solved by assuming a single universe. When pointed out that time travellers violate/severely bend relativity theories by NOT being close-to-massless-at-speed-of-light, they go "classified information".

Time travelers can be annoying sometimes lol. "I can talk physics until you mention that time traveling should be impossible, then suddenly LOL CLASSIFIED"

Originally Posted by swtrooper42

I think he's saying that anyone can learn programming. He goes on to brag that he's the best thing to happen to programming since Donald Knuth.

To be fair, anyone can learn high-level language programming. It's like writing in fairly careful, unambiguous English. You just got to read up on what the specific "rules" are.

Not saying it's a cake-walk, but anyone should be able to pick it up. Heatth is one of the main programmers, and the guy didn't know any languages till this project lol. Ditto to Danchou iirc.

[Nanao-kun]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Anyone can learn Ren'Py, it's painfully easy.

AND DONT YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN

The only people who can't are people like me; as in people who are too lazy to even go look up how Ren'Py works (ノ゜ｰ゜)ノ

EDIT: Oh, and CanadaAotS? Nice avi. I just hope that isn't directed at me.

[scify]

Here's my try at writing something, based off of several of the ideas we've put forward. If you use it, it'll probably need to be edited to sound more like the characters, though:

Spoiler for My poor attempt at writing:

Kyonko: ... I was thinking the other day about a theory I once heard: that each choice you make spawns a new universe where you've made a different choice. This leads to an infinite number of universes where all possible choices are played out.

Itsuko: I take it the events of the end of the summer brought this to mind?

Kyonko: ... Yes. What if, instead of looping back, each of those iterations of our group (Yes, I know that doesn't really sound like Kyonko... but I have no clue how to write it so it does.) continued on with their existence, living out their lives? How many different lives are they living that we don't know about?

A cloud passes over Itsuko's face for a second and her smile dims... but then the moment is gone, the know-it-all grin back in full force.

Itsuko: So something akin to the Many Worlds theory in quantum mechanics? Technobabble that I'm not qualified to write...

Mitsuruu: *something Scully-ish*

Loop here into what HikariNiwa and the others have worked out...

Itsuko: Alternatively, there could be multiple self-sustaining universes, a number of which have managed to produce some form of Haruki, perhaps male, perhaps female, with or without his powers. It would seem as if this universe we find ourselves in is one where some people, perhaps only those within and surrounding the SOS brigade, are of the opposite gender. Given Kyon and Nagato's experience when they were here, it is surmisable that this version of Haruki shares his powers, as it is clear that something that is at least similar to the Integrated Data Entity exists. Correct?

Nagato nods briefly. He did mention that he was connected to something while we were jumping around the school building, didn't he...

Probably some other stuff...

Thoughts?

[Nanao-kun]

Originally Posted by scify

Here's my try at writing something, based off of several of the ideas we've put forward. If you use it, it'll probably need to be edited to sound more like the characters, though:

Spoiler for My poor attempt at writing:

Kyonko: ... I was thinking the other day about a theory I once heard: that each choice you make spawns a new universe where you've made a different choice. This leads to an infinite number of universes where all possible choices are played out.

Itsuko: I take it the events of the end of the summer brought this to mind?

Kyonko: ... Yes. What if, instead of looping back, each of those iterations of our group (Yes, I know that doesn't really sound like Kyonko... but I have no clue how to write it so it does.) continued on with their existence, living out their lives? How many different lives are they living that we don't know about?

A cloud passes over Itsuko's face for a second and her smile dims... but then the moment is gone, the know-it-all grin back in full force.

Itsuko: So something akin to the Many Worlds theory in quantum mechanics? Technobabble that I'm not qualified to write...

Mitsuruu: *something Scully-ish*

Loop here into what HikariNiwa and the others have worked out...

Itsuko: Alternatively, there could be multiple self-sustaining universes, a number of which have managed to produce some form of Haruki, perhaps male, perhaps female, with or without his powers. It would seem as if this universe we find ourselves in is one where some people, perhaps only those within and surrounding the SOS brigade, are of the opposite gender. Given Kyon and Nagato's experience when they were here, it is surmisable that this version of Haruki shares his powers, as it is clear that something that is at least similar to the Integrated Data Entity exists. Correct?

Nagato nods briefly. He did mention that he was connected to something while we were jumping around the school building, didn't he...

Probably some other stuff...

Thoughts?

I for one think it's pretty good, although you're right on Kyonko not exactly sounding like herself.