2006-02-15, 13:42 | Link #281 |
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Let me tell you guys something, This discussion of amperagexvoltage sadly can't be proven. While we have people that survived Enel's attack with a slightly crisped skin he made pieces of land disappear before even having access to the Advent of Thunder. Furthermore we have that gold shaping thing. For that to happen i assume he had to heat the gold to a certain level then "shape it" (this method is unclear but being eletricity you could create mini polarized spots in the places you want gold to fill).
To liquify gold you need to reach 1064.18 °C(1947.52 °F) and according to wikipedia to make silica aka sand into glass you have to reach 2000ºC(3600ºF) So it all comes down to brains and i think Croc beats Enel in this. Enel isn't exactly dumb, But Crocodile definetly has the skills to combat Ener, Crocodile would have something for Ener. |
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2006-02-15, 14:49 | Link #283 |
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Millions of volts of Electricity focused at one point can make it super-heated turning it to glass.
You cannot make sand harder. All he did was compact it together so it became harder. I've done it myself, many times- many you should as well. You don't really think much of Enel do you? |
2006-02-15, 16:10 | Link #289 |
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Uh, no. It's pretty much for the same for any fruit since most or all of them aren't that literal. Chopper ate the Hito Hito fruit yet clearly he can't become completely human. Robin has the Flora Flora fruit but clearly her ability isn't literally that of flowers in the plant sense. So obviously it should be clear that the devil fruit ability isn't gonna be a literal and limited thing based on the name of that fruit in such a narrow sense.
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2006-02-15, 16:39 | Link #290 |
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Err... Yeah, that post was to make sure it would go for Crocodile's fruit as well.
I guess I should've asked you to tell me the relevance of your point. I mean, the statement was that sand will melt, yet we know rubber didn't. I'm not questioning Oda's logic, I'm questioning MihawkXGP's logic.
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2006-02-15, 17:54 | Link #291 | |
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Like I said none of you guys will never know, all of the posts that we have means nothing because Logic means nothing. I question everyone's logic about the situation because Lighting can melt rubber in reality but once again that is not the case in the anime world. Crocodile is Stronger than Ener Period. Listen |
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Just that Luffy's devil fruit is the only existing weakness, as far as things are shown, besides that of seastone for Enel's fruit. That at least we have some existing logic point that would give Enel an advantage. I pretty much made it clear that either Enel has the advantage in some form since he has more options with his abilities or that the fight would be a draw where neither individual can harm the other. Quote:
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You still don't have any proof that Crocodile is totally the victor in a bout against Enel since all you have put down is that you consider Crocodile smarter and that he should come up with something that you still fail to specify. |
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2006-02-15, 18:13 | Link #293 | |
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Your first paragraph is bull until the part where Crocodile and Ener might end up in a draw. Like I told you Crocodile can compact his sand so that it can be hard enogh to ground Ener. I am not contradicting myself if you read what I put I said even our logic means nothing in the world of One Piece. I meant We which includes myself. Your analysis on Luffy's body not being normal rubber is bull as well. Ener's Lighting should have melted it but like I said physics and all that other garbage is thrown out the window. Crocodile will win because he can compact his sand which will make it hard enough to Ground Ener Completely. Which will obviously nullify Ener's oh so precious ability. Crocodilie is clearly smarter than Ener and he will be able to adjust in the fight. |
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2006-02-15, 18:24 | Link #294 | |||
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And if you put down logic yet say it means nothing that means you are not only contradicting yourself but wasting time. It remains that Luffy being made of rubber isn't meant in terms of just simply normal rubber that couldn't stretch as far as Luffy can do with body much less bounce bullets. That the names for each of the devil fruit abilities aren't that of a literal where you simply just do one limited thing. Since if it was Crocodile would then by that logic only be able to simly turn into a mass of size equal to the mass of his body. But since he can do more than that this alone makes it clear. Quote:
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2006-02-15, 18:33 | Link #295 |
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You see, for the sake of simplicity, and not to confuse poeple who don't know science, Oda seems to use the generalizations behind elemental relationships and not the absolutely realistic
Rubber is well known for bouncing, stretching, and being resiliant to electicity... So luffy's abilities are made so that he can bounce anything back, stretch to redicious amounts and resist any amount of electricity... ignoring things like how objects with enough force would tear through rubber, the more resiliant rubber is the less it stretchs, and the heat caused by lightning should cause rubber to burn and melt... Oda isn't the only one that does this, many animators use the general well known relationships over the literal, particularly for shows meant for younger audiences... i'm certain Oda isn't the first to say rubber>lightning... its a bit of a plot device, but its used to limit questions and keep it simple for the kids... remember one piece was made for a younger audience... not the science savy... if it was meant to be 100% accurate, then you'd know that their would be MANY things wrong in one piece The generalization between Sand and heat is that under extreme heat, sand melts and turns into glass (since thats part of how glass is made)... it's similiar to the relationships between metal and heat, and gold and heat... |
2006-02-15, 18:33 | Link #296 | |
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Logic is thrown out of the window, becasue if Logic was in this anime Ener would have melted Luffy. Rubber melts at a lower temperature than sand. So that would mean he could not hurt Crocodile if you were using logic but their is no logic in the anime world |
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2006-02-15, 18:47 | Link #297 | ||
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And that Enel isn't the type that just simply stands there to get yet much less that it remains that Enel wiped out an entire island. That what you speak in terms of a ground absorbing a lightning bolt doesn't mean much in comparison to a compacted large mass of the stuff impacting with a mineral. Quote:
Clearly it was made quite clear before Luffy ever got to Skypiea that him being a rubber man wasn't just simply a matter of rubber that is limited in the way Slayerx described and that Robin's Flora Flora ability doesn't work in the narrow way that you would have imagined before we see her truly show off its usage. |
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2006-02-15, 18:58 | Link #298 | |
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No he does not simply pack the sand together, when it moves at that speed he is using it. you remember what he told Luffy "Depending on how you use the ability of the Devil Fruit, It can become Stronger." So it is obvious that Crocodile's sand is not normal he can make it as hard as he wants. Hell he turns it into cutting objects, hell even creates a heavy pressure power ball that can DESTROY Buildings completely. I've never seen electricty come out of sand before, reason being it shows how strong his ability is. Crocodile will ground Ener which will nullify him. Crocodile is simply stronger than Ener. Crocodile can also adjust. |
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2006-02-15, 19:18 | Link #299 | ||
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And again it remains that his offensive attacks are nullified when touched upon a liquid substance that is or has H20 within it. If the given fact of Crocodile's weakness is simply labeled as nonsense by you it truly reflects again you focusing only on what you want to while ignoring what would go against your argument. Quote:
You are still just simply saying that Crocodile will win based on vague commentary. |
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2006-02-15, 19:23 | Link #300 | |
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H20, you act if Ener is going to touch Crocodile with it. Crocodile will suck the water right up. Don't thwart his abilities Neodrag Now this third paragraph is bull as well. Crocodile can simply ground Ener therefore his electricity has no effect at all. Ener is defeated. |
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