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Perfect 10 | 58 | 41.13% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 16.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 6.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.71% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-17, 13:48 | Link #41 | |
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Hitomi is acting quite admirably for a friend, giving her a proper warning, and the opportunity to go ahead first. But Sayaka is obviously not even going to roll the dice. She's given up already. |
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2011-02-17, 13:51 | Link #42 | |
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Urobuchi once again was able to make me "OMGDISISSICK!" D: welp... young girls >are< vulnerable, but I thought Sayaka would be stronger than that. However, it's really logical if you think about it. Sayaka is able to make an excuse. She used her wish for someone else. However, the ability she indirectly acquired through it is for her own use and made her much more capable of destroying this time's witch. Her additional regeneration and stamina magical passive powers probably got to her head. Without them, Kyouko would have to help more. Gogo colour rangaaas! Yellow Ranger already died, but there are still 4 left! Now, it's time to break and release your honto no chikara! Starlight BREAKER!
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2011-02-17, 13:57 | Link #43 |
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Well Mentar, the whole assumption about the final witch being Sayaka is becoming more and more plausible. At this moment, it looks like a descent into the spiral labyrinth is unavoidable. Once factoring in the previous speculah, the direction of Sayaka seems to align to this end.
Madoka may be the only person that may sway Sayaka somehow. I don't know if she can manage to snatch Hitomi from death though.
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2011-02-17, 13:58 | Link #44 | |
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Also I'm assuming that Kyoko went through her own crazy phase as well, after she found out she indirectly killed off her family with her wish. Then she calmed down and become badass. Sayaka will probably go through the same emotional roller coaster - I mean, COME ON, it's just a guy not returning her feelings. Kyoko kinda lost her family?
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2011-02-17, 14:09 | Link #45 |
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What Homura said in EP7 attracted my attention.
When Madoka asks Homura why she is always so cold (to Madoka), she says maybe it's becase she's no longer a human person. This means Homura was a normal person in the past, perhaps. Then, it doesn't fit Homura = Cat theory, which I've favored .... |
2011-02-17, 14:11 | Link #46 | |
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I agree about Hitomi. That was commendable of her to spill everything to Sayaka first rather than go behind her back. Now that Sayaka went bonkers, I predict she's going to come up with a twisted "if I can't have Kamijo then no one else will" logic. She will either seriously injure Hitomi or kill her.
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2011-02-17, 14:14 | Link #47 |
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It would be interesting to see how Gen decides to define humanity to be honest. With Sayo no Uta still fresh on my mind, I am tempted to say that it might well be defined based on understanding and practice of human behavior and to have a mental explanation, or bias, to such actions. I do not feel that Urobuch Gen is being narrow in the definition of humanity at all, but that would be my bias.
Kanon and her description matches much of adolescent behavior, and we are forced to conclude base on experience, of the worst potential outcome (nice boat). Reputability in observation of trends to generalize the logic would apply here as there is no one set of metric that can be replicated going from one person to the next, and the causes are highly independent of one another regarding human condition. For that matter, what I just said is also refutable in itself...
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2011-02-17, 14:17 | Link #48 | |
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2011-02-17, 14:22 | Link #49 | |
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I don't understand the raw but what I can tell is that the BGM is getting more and more awesome. ლ(¯ロ¯ლ)
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2011-02-17, 14:22 | Link #50 |
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Wow, this episode was all about "Breaking the Sayaka", wasn't it?
Oh, Urobuchi Gen, you're so ruthless...
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2011-02-17, 14:25 | Link #51 |
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Let's see, pointless predictions :
Given that three of our Puella Magi are shocked by this new revelation, I would expect at least a temporary strike Kamijou probably doesn't understand Sayaka's feelings for him regardless , so a revelation here will cause Sayaka to break down as she realizes her wish has not turned out the way she wanted. There hasn't been a witch fight lately, and the last ones have been getting more and more threatening; It leads me to believe the next with will probably be a huge threat, especially given insinuations from the last episode. If so, Someone's going to either get killed or severely incapacitated by the start of episode 8. Because of these things, it should be fairly obvious that this episode will set the mood for the end. Most importantly, we may find out that People die when they are killed And regardless, the amount of "I told you so" will increase massively at the end of this episode.
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2011-02-17, 14:26 | Link #52 | |
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And Hitomi is confident because she's the most popular girl of the school. This was established in the very first episode. It would be out of character of her not to be this confident about it.
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2011-02-17, 14:28 | Link #53 | ||
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And it's still fanon that MG's can turn into witches. Hell, to listen to Kyube talk, he deliberately makes their soul strong enough that it wouldn't turn into one. It would actually be counter-productive to let MG's be vulnerable to that. Even if, by some odd chance, he wants that to happen, he has a horrible track record. Kyoko, Homura, and Mami haven't become witches, so even if Sayaka does, that's only a 25% success rate. In short, it doesn't add up. Quote:
Anyway, a few more initial thoughts; it is becoming more clear that idealism won't win this. If Mami and Sayaka's idealism was thwarted this badly, then having Madoka's idealism win would be incredibly stupid. Instead, Homura's and Kyoko's words about staying out, or only getting in for selfish reasons, to be the more correct choices. Homura would have been proven right. So that only leaves the possibility of a bittersweet ending at best, where Madoka eventually kills all witches, but she's lost all the friends she had, and thus goes on alone, realizing that the world doesn't work on idealism, and if she had only made the hard choice to get involved sooner, she might have been able to prevent everything. As Kyube said in the dream at the start, she has the power to change fate (like most MG protagonists do), but she didn't use that power, and thus didn't change fate at all. |
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2011-02-17, 14:37 | Link #54 | |
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It's this contradiction inside her what's going to doom her. There's nothing like that with Kyoko, she just lost faith and took a cynical route.
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2011-02-17, 14:53 | Link #55 | |
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I mean, you might be right, but I think it's important to note that there's different kinds of idealism, and one type could be wrong while another type could be right. I mean, Madoka and Sayaka are both idealistic, but in very different ways. Sayaka is (or, at least, was) idealistic in a way similar to a patriotic soldier that genuinely believes in her country and the war that it's fighting. Madoka is idealistic in a much more pacifistic "everything can be solved through careful caution, diplomacy, peaceful negotiation, and doing what's right". These are two very different idealistic takes, and are even diametrically opposed to one another to a degree.
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2011-02-17, 14:58 | Link #56 | |
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2011-02-17, 15:10 | Link #57 | ||
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Since Mami is dead and Sayaka is supposedly headed for a psychotic breakdown and Madoka is ineffectual, I personally think the writing is fairly clear. Especially when you consider that Kyoko and Homura's cynicism is presented more favorably. Of course, Gen could pull an idealistic ending out of his ass, but there would be no basis for it and amount to shoddy writing. For idealism to win, there has to be some victories on the way for it, and we've seen none of that. But it's also a great point to use for character growth. Mami didn't learn that, so she died. Sayaka still has a chance to learn it, and if she doesn't, Madoka will have to. Life is teaching them that cynicism is what works, not idealism, and that's the character growth that awaits them if they want to get through this. That is, if Gen is going to be consistent in showing that a magical girl world is not all rainbows and hearts and sparkles. If he diverges to that, then he'll have to ignore everything he's built up so far. It would be like building a colorful circus tent on top of a rundown, shabby building; would seem horribly out of place. |
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2011-02-17, 15:35 | Link #58 | |
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2011-02-17, 15:40 | Link #59 |
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Thats what you mean : P.
Ok, about the episode it wasn't that interesting showing Kyoko's past and breaking Sayaka isn't to be surprised , what I'm waiting is the possible outcome to this. The worst outcome for Sayaka could be that "all was in her mind" and that she realizes this too late after the crime. Sayaka torture herself thinking she can be able to reach Kamijou's heart...heh! typical so all that visiting for nothing and she not even tries to tell him her own feelings? Another clear example of self-cockblocking ... childhood friends archetypes, always the same, it seems in japan histories the guy always ends with any girl except the childhood friend, oh Japan . Mindbreak and NTR.... by Urobuchi Gen.... without being NSFW material... Why I'm not suprised with this episode in the absolute? |
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