50th anniversary of "anime" on TV: "50 Masterpieces for 50 Years of TV Anime"

[Bri]

Originally Posted by aohige

Yeah, this is pretty much the only complaint I would have with this list. Otherwise, the selection are on-the-mark.

But let's digress, as awesome as Maison Ikkoku is, it had very little influence in the anime field. It was one of the most successful seinen manga for mature romance, and opened a floodgate of similar titles in the demographics (i.e. Big Comic, Business, Morning, etc seinen manga field), but they generally are catered towards the live action adaptation crowd, rarely do we see anime influenced by this great work.

Still, if I had to include only one anime based on the works of Rumiko Takahashi, it would be Urusei Yatsura, just like the list did.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Bri

Still, if I had to include only one anime based on the works of Rumiko Takahashi, it would be Urusei Yatsura, just like the list did.

Yeah I can see why he would put Uruseiyatsura in the list and not Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha, but Maison Ikkoku is a different thing entirely, I think it's a bit unfair to exclude it just because there's already one anime from the same author, especially when, as discussed before, the list shows both "Time Bokan" and "Yattaman" even though the second is just the improved and more popular version of the first, so why being stingy with Rumiko Takahashi?

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Bri

Still, if I had to include only one anime based on the works of Rumiko Takahashi, it would be Urusei Yatsura, just like the list did.

And deservingly so.
It's practically the mother of a genre.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Yeah I can see why he would put Uruseiyatsura in the list and not Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha, but Maison Ikkoku is a different thing entirely, I think it's a bit unfair to exclude it just because there's already one anime from the same author, especially when, as discussed before, the list shows both "Time Bokan" and "Yattaman" even though the second is just the improved and more popular version of the first, so why being stingy with Rumiko Takahashi?

Possibly, because Yattaman practically put it on the map, if you will, whereas UY did so right off the bat.
There's so much time between UY and Ranma, UY already had established a genre long before getting there.

[speedyexpress48]

Originally Posted by bhl88

http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Cage_Named_Maturity

Does Bakemonogatari have academic papers?

Academic papers doesn't mean mainstream. I'm pretty sure if this guy is studying sci-fi, he probably knows quite a bit about obscure sci-fi, if not obscure anime.

Besides, like I said, Doctor Who is a pretty good comparison; it's pretty mainstream in the fact that it's merch is sold almost anywhere, yet niche in the fact that plenty have never seen or heard of it. Same with My Little Pony.

Originally Posted by totoum

The madoka movies have been promoted on mainstream japanese morning tv shows, has that happened with anything monogatari related?

I think it has, but I can't be 100% sure since it's kinda hard to research this stuff. Though your point is a good one.

[Triple_R]

Dr. Who is a good comparison.

Dr. Who and Madoka Magica are both borderline mainstream, but not quite there in the way that, say, Star Trek and Gundam are. But Madoka Magica could get there one day, depending on what happens to the franchise over time.

[Ithekro]

I suppose that depends on where you are. Dr. Who is major big time in the United Kingdom. Probably the flagship for the BBC these days. 50 years old and by the end of the year will have 800 episodes. It the last few years its become larger again world wide (as oppose to in the 70s and 80s were it was only on PBS in say the United States and had a cult following).

Its one of those shows that pretty much everyone knows what a Dalek is, much like about everyone knows what Klingon is.

[Lenneth4]

Awesome list is awesome

Sorry guys , where i can find official age rating viewer of popular anime like DBZ , evangelino etc
Official rating means for example Rating R for DBz in japan

i'm not interested in US/europe ratings.

Ithekro
Omg your sig is like Char in char counter attack !!!!!!!
WOW
I need to see yamato again , i stopped a while

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Lenneth4

where i can find official age rating viewer of popular anime like DBZ , evangelino etc
Official rating means for example Rating R for DBz in japan

I thought places like cdjapan.co.jp or amazon.co.jp would include these ratings in their listings for anime products, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I looked at a few items like Evangelion 3.33, Baccano! and Kurenai that I would have expected to carry restricted ratings, but there is no ratings information in the listings for any of these.

[Lenneth4]

Ok
very strange

i heard for example that perfect blue was forbidden to -15 in japan
But don't remember where i got that info

Odd we can't find those info on wikipedia.

Thanks and sorry for off topic

[speedyexpress48]

One, start another thread for what you're asking for. Don't derail a thread about another topic.

With that being said...you'll be surprised at Japanese TV ratings. If I remember right, I'm pretty sure Baccano! was PG-12, though I'm not too sure about NGE. Also, even when it's "restricted", Japan rarely have tough regulations on the system outside of Tokyo (a friend in Japan told me that kids could walk into any store in some areas of Japan and buy porn without any hassle), unlike in Europe where you have to mail your ID to Amazon to get restricted items over the internet shipped to yoy.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

I thought places like cdjapan.co.jp or amazon.co.jp would include these ratings in their listings for anime products, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I looked at a few items like Evangelion 3.33, Baccano! and Kurenai that I would have expected to carry restricted ratings, but there is no ratings information in the listings for any of these.

As far as I know, they don't have age ratings for anime DVDs/Blu-Rays, at least not in the way we think of it. Either you're "all ages" or you're "adults-only". Otherwise, I've never seen any age ratings on any of the Japanese Blu-Rays or DVDs I've bought over the years. I think there can be additional restrictions by prefecture, but I've only ever heard about those two classifications.

But yeah, as was said, maybe this needs another thread.

[all_flying]

I can't stand it. People being ignorant while ranting "why my favorite show wasn't on the list" arrgh!

1. Monogatari (anime)

Yes, its popular, yes it was influential to the culture. But, just how much ANIME influenced by Bakemonogatari? How much was Bakemono-style ripoff compared to ZnT-style ripoff? Even today I'm still having difficulties finding any Monogatari-esque anime.

2. Haruhi on the list for another reason which has nothing to do with LN adaptation. Do you remember what was happen when Haruhi aired? Which episode is episode 1?

3. Air was the first milestone into high quality VN adaptation which TOEI failed previously. Clannad is better, more popular, but it wasn't the first milestone. The same goes to Angel Beats!

4. K-ON! Just remember how many keion-esque anime in the following year? Even today?

If I had to guess. Those title are those which shaped Anime industry as it is today. Without Air, you'll be forced to chew on Clannad based TOEI. Without Haruhi, Bakemonogatari won't be animated as it is today. Without Strike Witches, maybe you won't be seeing uppotte! or Girl und Panzer. Maybe something like that?

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by all_flying

I can't stand it. People being ignorant while ranting "why my favorite show wasn't on the list" arrgh!

People aren't being ignorant, or ranting. Many of us have calmly and carefully explained our reasons for disagreeing with certain inclusions and/or exclusions on this list.

1. Monogatari (anime)

Yes, its popular, yes it was influential to the culture. But, just how much ANIME influenced by Bakemonogatari?

Sankarea: Undying Love

Dusk Maiden of Amnesia

Thankfully, I just remembered a couple of the specific non-SHAFT anime that made me think of SHAFT.

Sankarea is a Studio Deen production, while Amnesia is a Silver Link production.

I remember some people (including myself) going "I can't believe it's not SHAFT!" when it came to Sankarea. Amnesia wasn't as clear-cut, but I think you can see instances in it of SHAFT inspiration.

Both of these anime shows aired two-to-three years after Bake, which is precisely when one would most expect anime shows influenced by Bake to start showing up. It's not hard to see how Bake's substantial financial success (unprecedented for a SHAFT work prior to it) could popularize a visual style that used to be strictly SHAFT's.

Also, even if we discount visuals, I see significant content and character similarities between Monogatari, and both Sankarea and Amnesia.

2. Haruhi on the list for another reason which has nothing to do with LN adaptation. Do you remember what was happen when Haruhi aired? Which episode is episode 1?

Episode 00 and the out-of-chronological order approach was interesting and certainly different, but I can't think of many, if any, anime shows that emulated this distinctive Haruhi anime approach.

So it certainly seems to me that Haruhi's placement on the list has at least something to do with how it influenced LN adaptations in general.

3. Air was the first milestone into high quality VN adaptation which TOEI failed previously. Clannad is better, more popular, but it wasn't the first milestone.

There's shows on this list that aren't first milestones. Likewise, I don't see why Clannad should be excluded from the list just because it wasn't a first milestone. At least Clannad was popular enough to keep the VN adaptations, and Key-based anime, coming.

4. K-ON! Just remember how many keion-esque anime in the following year? Even today?

I agree with you on K-On.


Lists like this are meant to be discussed. Any serious fandom isn't going to just accept them without some scrutiny. This list is generally good, but there's nothing wrong with people expressing disagreement with specific inclusions or exclusions.

And it should be noted that "masterpiece" is not the same as "influential". A work of art can be one without being the other. So some of the criticisms made on this thread on the first few pages is based upon the impression this wording causes. Through debating you now, and debating aohige before, it seems like being very influential is all that is expected of a show to get on this list. Well, if that's the case, the way the list is titled is questionable at best.

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Thankfully, I just remembered a couple of the specific non-SHAFT anime that made me think of SHAFT.

Sankarea is a Studio Deen production, while Amnesia is a Silver Link production.

Though both were directed by former shaft employees , I guess that does still indicate influence but it's not quite the same thing as other studios deciding to try and adopt the shaft style.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by totoum

Though both were directed by former shaft employees , I guess that does still indicate influence but it's not quite the same thing as other studios deciding to try and adopt the shaft style.

In pro sports, if one team wants to emulate another team's managerial/coaching style, often they'll hire members of that other team's managerial/coaching staff when their contracts are up.

Anime directors moving around could mean much the same in the anime world.