2013-10-03, 18:09 | Link #30941 |
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Okay, clearer details about the woman that tried to storm the White House premises. I guess she never had a gun. She just tried to break through a barricade with her car. The police officer that was injured got struck by the car. Shots were fired by the police and news sites reported shooting in Washington D.C., making it seem the assailant had a gun, but the gun fire that was reported was just the gun fire from police, and no one else.
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2013-10-03, 18:30 | Link #30942 |
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Republicans Say Boehner Vows to Avert Federal Default
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/us...t-impasse.html
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2013-10-03, 19:55 | Link #30943 | |
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2013-10-03, 19:58 | Link #30944 | |
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2013-10-03, 20:06 | Link #30945 | |
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2013-10-03, 20:12 | Link #30946 |
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I'm not trying to justify her actions at all. I just wonder what the protocols are for situations like this. I just watched the video from the Arabic channel again. Half a dozen officers surround her car, and they all are pointing their guns at the woman. None of them is firing at the tires or doing anything else to disable the vehicle.
By the way, the Capitol Police officers who were on the job today are not receiving any pay for their efforts. Their salaries are impounded, though they may get reimbursed when the shutdown ends. Even though they are deemed "essential," they are apparently not so essential as to deserve to be paid for putting their lives on the line. Instead they are expected to volunteer their services with the vague promise that they will get paid later on. Meanwhile, rent and mortgage payments are due, and their families need to eat.
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2013-10-03, 21:17 | Link #30947 | |
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2013-10-03, 21:24 | Link #30948 | |
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2013-10-03, 22:32 | Link #30950 | |
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Just let everything have their chance via a vote. That's all anyone wanted. The only person who has the power to prevent voting is Boehner.
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2013-10-03, 22:55 | Link #30952 |
Cross Game - I need more
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
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What the crap is going on with these park closures?
They closed the wilderness area nearby where I am at... but it's just the outdoors, there's no facilities or anything. They don't even have any rangers on duty there normally. They must have had to spend some extra money to close it down and block off the trails. I mean, once a year (in the spring) they send a ranger up to the shelter at the knoll near the river bend to inspect the place, and then if repairs are needed they fix it (over the summer, usually done by a local boy scout troop as a service project). How does the government shutdown require closing a river? They didn't close the river back in 1995 when Gingrich shutdown the government. I mean... shouldn't Obama be trying to lessen the effects of the shutdown as much as possible?
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2013-10-03, 23:20 | Link #30953 | |
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1: I feel the biggest problem in American health care today is a lack of control rather then lack of money. The fact that I couldn't get a doctor to listen to me instead of the insurance agency (back when I still had insurance) was the main problem in my opinion. The second biggest problem was the way insurance companies weasel out of paying for the care they promised once you get sick. Neither of these problems are addressed by Obamacare, and in fact I think it makes both of them worse. 2: I feel Obamacare combines the worst aspects of a publicly funded program with the worst aspects of a privately funded program. (My preference would be free market reforms, but if that's not possible single payer would be better then this Frankenstien). 3: I think Obamacare has been incompetently designed, and incompetently executed and it's going to blow up in our faces. Specifically the provisions that incentivise part time hires over full time hires is already hurting us. (My own employer has shifted to more contractor work and part time positions). I'm certain there are more problems coming. 4: I find the insurance mandate to be a terrible precedent, and rather corrupt. Just force me to pay taxes and pay for it with government funds, don't force me to pay a private business tons of money for a product that I can't trust them to provide. 5: I think requiring insurance companies to provide insurance for people with pre-existing conditions is immoral, and violates the takings clause. I hate insurance companies, but I don't understand under what moral framework they should be responsible to pay for the care of people who didn't buy insurance from them before getting sick. Now maybe as a society we should do something for people with pre-existing conditions, I'm open to that (and self interested to boot). But by what right do we obligate insurance companies to pay for it? Obligations need to either be agreed to, or shared by the entire society. If we are going to do something then we should pay for it out of tax revenue directly. Not impose a financial obligation on a subset of the population (even if they are cheats and probably deserve it). Also note, that if the individual mandate fails to work, this provision will ensure the destruction of health insurance for everyone. 6: It's apparent to me that no one really knew what was contained in Obamacare when Congress passed it, which makes me certain there are gotchas hidden in it to make certain interest groups a lot of money at the expense of the rest of us.
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2013-10-03, 23:57 | Link #30954 |
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For your point no. 5, as an actuarist myself, it actually doesn't matter for insurance company to cover people with pre-existing condition, as long as the pool of insured is not pre-selective(as in, it only contains people with pre-existing condition and doesn't contain currently healthy people at all). In fact, this is the reason in group insurance, insurance company doesn't care about pre-existing condition as much as long as every employee in the company is insured in the same insurance company. Considering the program obligate every citizen to take the insurance, I don't think this will be a problem for the insurance company.
I couldn't refute nor agree with the other points though since it seems like valid ponts, yet there might also be some countermeasure buried inside the thousand page agreement already
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2013-10-04, 00:21 | Link #30955 | ||
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OK here's an image of the rear of the car, try shooting the tires. Oh, btw, you have around 45m (effective range of the pistol) to do it, or around 8 seconds if the car is going away at 20km/h (a very slow speed) Quote:
I'm not saying that they should just shoot to kill. But just saying what you just did makes it seem so easy, which is not the case. 1 last thing, it seems that the police were on duty while not being paid. Now that's dedication... Should have let her go into congress and say, 'sorry, we are off duty since there's no pay' |
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2013-10-04, 00:36 | Link #30956 | |
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2013-10-04, 03:17 | Link #30958 | |
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I don't want to delve into things too far, but this part intrigued me.
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For me, this is one of the reasons why I consider the old American "healthcare system" to be utterly broken and corrupt. There are certain services that I consider so basic and important that any society which fancies itself to be civilized needs to find a way to provide it to everyone, and health care is one of them. The way I see it, it's up to the government to set the rules for the game, and the free market to do their best within these confines (that's how it's set up in Germany, by the way). If you want to dabble in the healthcare market, you need to abide by these rules. Simple as that. Just like when you're running a logistics service, you have to service _all_ addresses, not only those which are profitable to you. The German railway system also has to service those lines that are unprofitable, since it's offering a service to the public, so it can't just cherrypick the best ones. Likewise, I consider it perfectly normal and _fair_ to make sure that insurance companies need to offer affordable insurance to people with preexisting conditions. A sideeffect of this is that seen in the big picture, costs tend to go down because preexisting conditions get _treated_ and usually get better. Nothing is financially as devastating as the retarded "plan" of several Republicans to argue that everyone can see an ER when necessary. This is exactly how serious health problems develop. Prevention and early treatment are so much cheaper. Yes, I am aware that the American mindset is very much influenced by "I got mine, screw you!" - but healthcare is one of those parts where community and charity are actually cheaper than selfishness. No matter what the lobbying hordes in DC like to tell people. |
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2013-10-04, 04:09 | Link #30959 |
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
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Frankly, it still boggles my mind how backwards the Healthcare is in the USA. I imagine the level of "mindfuck" also applied to my sister's husband (she got married to an American) when he got sick in Singapore and found the medical bill to be dirt-cheap (his opinion, not mine).
When he told me what the equivalent cost would be for a non-insured person would be in the USA, I kinda went, "Wat." USA spends more money on medical than some countries combined, but has worse coverage. It's ludicrous. Natch.
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2013-10-04, 07:18 | Link #30960 | |
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Obama cancels Asia tour over shutdown; raises questions on U.S. pivot
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