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Mow Yun · 2012-12-01, 18:20

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

I find it funny how a bunch of people get the German tanks thinking they're going to be kickass steel monsters and then forget this game was made by Russians.

And yet at the top tiers the Russian tanks are the worst performing

Sumeragi · 2012-12-01, 18:33

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

I find it funny how a bunch of people get the German tanks thinking they're going to be kickass steel monsters and then forget this game was made by Russians.

More importantly, they don't realize that Tigers and Panthers would be facing equal tanks, and not only the Shermans and T-34s of RL.

LeoXiao · 2012-12-01, 19:05

Well...yes that is true. But there are things like the actual penetration values of German guns being nerfed, or the top German heavies having bad guns all around. I don't actually think there's much Russian bias if at all, it's just that people go into the game thinking Germans will always have the best stuff which simply isn't true.

On a side note, apparently the developers noticed that Americans have an obsession with German tanks whereas in Russia they always had a thing for Japanese battleships. I wonder why that is...

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And yet at the top tiers the Russian tanks are the worst performing

Really? In 7.5 or so I got 8 kills and 4 hero awards in an IS4. And the T-62A has a great gun.

Myssa Rei · 2012-12-01, 19:19

Speaking of Germans having bad guns, I'm kind of experiencing some of that right now even on the PanzerIV. I have the second gun (74 was it?), and I've found that most of my shots bounce off enemies of my tier level. Heck to even get a kill, I usually have to circle around or, like what people suggested here, aim at vulnerable tracks.

LeoXiao · 2012-12-01, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Speaking of Germans having bad guns, I'm kind of experiencing some of that right now even on the PanzerIV. I have the second gun (74 was it?), and I've found that most of my shots bounce off enemies of my tier level. Heck to even get a kill, I usually have to circle around or, like what people suggested here, aim at vulnerable tracks.

Well i think most tanks are like that if you don't have the best gun. The l/48 in the pzIV should be able to pen the fronts of other t5s easily except the kv5.

When you get to higher tier german tanks have have to grind the top guns, its pure torture.

Mow Yun · 2012-12-01, 21:24

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

Really? In 7.5 or so I got 8 kills and 4 hero awards in an IS4. And the T-62A has a great gun.

I believe the IS-4 and IS-7 are the worst performing tier 10 tanks. T-62A is literally the only Soviet tank in use in clan wars (the turretless TDs are never used in general and the 261 is obsoleted by the French arty)

Though I am biased since I hated my IS-4, and very much regret going up the Soviet tech tree.

Myssa Rei · 2012-12-01, 21:28

By the way, I also have a SPG (a Bison), but I've never got how some Artillery players can get super-accurate shots like I've seen. How DO you aim with one anyway?

willx · 2012-12-01, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

By the way, I also have a SPG (a Bison), but I've never got how some Artillery players can get super-accurate shots like I've seen. How DO you aim with one anyway?

Hold shift and get some mods to show you angles or trajectories..

Ultimately German artys are more accurate than others too!

Outlook is .. Explosive!

Myssa Rei · 2012-12-01, 22:26

I find the idea of an online game being moddable as... unusual, to say the least. So there are mods that make artillery aiming less confusing? I really want to actually hit something for a change...

Mow Yun · 2012-12-01, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

I find the idea of an online game being moddable as... unusual, to say the least. So there are mods that make artillery aiming less confusing? I really want to actually hit something for a change...

You gotta wait for the aiming circle to close fully. Do you have a 75% crew? High trained crews make all the difference.

Myssa Rei · 2012-12-01, 23:55

I do, and yes, my crew is actually HIGHER than that at this point, yet I have trouble hitting anything.... Which makes it all the more surprising when, playing with my usual tanks, that I have teammates call for artillery fire and then have it hit ON THE DOT from across the map.

Duo Maxwell · 2012-12-02, 00:50

Aim a little bit behind the enemy tank, but that actually depend on the line you're using. America one has higher arc, so the circle is tend to be rounder, which make it harder to hit than other lines.

I just hate the current SPG, since I feel like it depends on luck way too much. My shots keep getting hit or miss randomly even if I aim at the same spot.

LeoXiao · 2012-12-02, 02:07

I was thinking that rushing might actually be the best way to play World of Tanks instead of sitting around in the back or generally being slow.

Basically, rushing works if you do it in groups and if you use a little bit of organization. If we platoon or do company battles, we should keep this in mind. When you rush, go wild. Do not concentrate on killing opponents so much as taking positions and THEN firing from them, then taking NEW positions to account for the new environment. If one person does this it is suicide. When a group does it, it is blitzkrieg.

Here's some of my results from today:

- Using my SU-85, I charged across the field at malinovka to the line of houses. At least five enemies were firing at me by the time I was halfway across, and by the time I died right next to the house, they had only hit me twice. Had we had more tanks with me we would've built up a good presence and permanent passive scout (for friendly snipers) near the enemy base.

- With my ELC AMX on Port I got into the enemy quarter of the city, being shot at about four times before getting across the tracks/field. I went directly past three higher tier enemy tanks defending in the city before being killed by a T29. If we had more guys we could've done some serious damage and perhaps changed the course of the battle.

- In my PzIV on Fisherman's Bay, I started in the south and went directly north not to our part of the town, but to theirs, making a beeline to the shoreline in the northeast. I encountered two SU85s, a churchill, and was hit and killed only when I stopped to shoot a Stug. If we had had a few similar tanks, none or few of us wouldve been hit and we still could've done heavy damage to those enemies who were not prepared.

In a game with an AMX 13 75 on Mountain Pass, I went directly into the valley, and supported a platoon of IS7s gong along the eastern route. I took a hit from an IS4 and the swarm behind me rushed forward to kill him and his surprised comrades while we was reloading. We won in two minutes.

Blaat · 2012-12-02, 04:43

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

More importantly, they don't realize that Tigers and Panthers would be facing equal tanks, and not only the Shermans and T-34s of RL.

Not only that but medium tanks face a lot more heavy tanks in game than they did in real life. The numbers of medium and light tanks produced dwarfs the number of heavy tanks produced during World War 2.
Yet in game it's the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I just hate the current SPG, since I feel like it depends on luck way too much. My shots keep getting hit or miss randomly even if I aim at the same spot.

I have to agree with this I've managed to hit moving scouts and other times I had zero hits of five on a heavy tank that wasn't moving at all nor behind cover.

SPGs can be fun but also a frustrating experience. I'm using the Russian SPGs, rotating turret FTW.

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

On a side note, apparently the developers noticed that Americans have an obsession with German tanks whereas in Russia they always had a thing for Japanese battleships. I wonder why that is...

Speaking of Japanese battleships I can't wait to get the Yamato in World of Warships.

Sumeragi · 2012-12-02, 11:26

If you don't mind, my friends, please vote up the following submission in the "November Creative Contest Final". He is a friend of mine who is a great writer.

Sumeragi · 2012-12-02, 12:38

Just to clarify: I meant vote for KaiserMartens in the above post.

I've been thinking of going down the Panther line one of these days.

LeoXiao · 2012-12-02, 13:18

Voted. And Panther is badass, you will get it.

Sumeragi · 2012-12-02, 13:33

Here's my thought process:

With the Tiger so far, I have been able to bounce shots and also hit at vital points to cause damage. If I get better mobility and a far more accurate gun, combined with almost all the relevant research needed done, why not try out the Panther?

LeoXiao · 2012-12-02, 13:45

Don't you have a Pz III/IV? Get the VK 3001H (it's a fun, fast tank, at least back in 6.x) and then the Panther.

Sumeragi · 2012-12-02, 13:47

I would need to sell the Tiger for that. No cash.

2012-12-01, 19:19	Link #504
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Speaking of Germans having bad guns, I'm kind of experiencing some of that right now even on the PanzerIV. I have the second gun (74 was it?), and I've found that most of my shots bounce off enemies of my tier level. Heck to even get a kill, I usually have to circle around or, like what people suggested here, aim at vulnerable tracks. __________________

2012-12-01, 21:28	Link #507
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	By the way, I also have a SPG (a Bison), but I've never got how some Artillery players can get super-accurate shots like I've seen. How DO you aim with one anyway? __________________

2012-12-01, 22:26	Link #509
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	I find the idea of an online game being moddable as... unusual, to say the least. So there are mods that make artillery aiming less confusing? I really want to actually hit something for a change... __________________

2012-12-01, 23:55	Link #511
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	I do, and yes, my crew is actually HIGHER than that at this point, yet I have trouble hitting anything.... Which makes it all the more surprising when, playing with my usual tanks, that I have teammates call for artillery fire and then have it hit ON THE DOT from across the map. __________________

2012-12-02, 00:50	Link #512
Duo Maxwell A Proud Lolicon Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In front of my computer Age: 37	Aim a little bit behind the enemy tank, but that actually depend on the line you're using. America one has higher arc, so the circle is tend to be rounder, which make it harder to hit than other lines. I just hate the current SPG, since I feel like it depends on luck way too much. My shots keep getting hit or miss randomly even if I aim at the same spot. __________________

2012-12-02, 02:07	Link #513
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	I was thinking that rushing might actually be the best way to play World of Tanks instead of sitting around in the back or generally being slow. Basically, rushing works if you do it in groups and if you use a little bit of organization. If we platoon or do company battles, we should keep this in mind. When you rush, go wild. Do not concentrate on killing opponents so much as taking positions and THEN firing from them, then taking NEW positions to account for the new environment. If one person does this it is suicide. When a group does it, it is blitzkrieg. Here's some of my results from today: - Using my SU-85, I charged across the field at malinovka to the line of houses. At least five enemies were firing at me by the time I was halfway across, and by the time I died right next to the house, they had only hit me twice. Had we had more tanks with me we would've built up a good presence and permanent passive scout (for friendly snipers) near the enemy base. - With my ELC AMX on Port I got into the enemy quarter of the city, being shot at about four times before getting across the tracks/field. I went directly past three higher tier enemy tanks defending in the city before being killed by a T29. If we had more guys we could've done some serious damage and perhaps changed the course of the battle. - In my PzIV on Fisherman's Bay, I started in the south and went directly north not to our part of the town, but to theirs, making a beeline to the shoreline in the northeast. I encountered two SU85s, a churchill, and was hit and killed only when I stopped to shoot a Stug. If we had had a few similar tanks, none or few of us wouldve been hit and we still could've done heavy damage to those enemies who were not prepared. In a game with an AMX 13 75 on Mountain Pass, I went directly into the valley, and supported a platoon of IS7s gong along the eastern route. I took a hit from an IS4 and the swarm behind me rushed forward to kill him and his surprised comrades while we was reloading. We won in two minutes. Last edited by LeoXiao; 2012-12-02 at 13:09.

2012-12-02, 11:26	Link #515
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	If you don't mind, my friends, please vote up the following submission in the "November Creative Contest Final". He is a friend of mine who is a great writer.

2012-12-02, 12:38	Link #516
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Just to clarify: I meant vote for KaiserMartens in the above post. I've been thinking of going down the Panther line one of these days.

2012-12-02, 13:18	Link #517
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	Voted. And Panther is badass, you will get it.

2012-12-02, 13:33	Link #518
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Here's my thought process: With the Tiger so far, I have been able to bounce shots and also hit at vital points to cause damage. If I get better mobility and a far more accurate gun, combined with almost all the relevant research needed done, why not try out the Panther?

2012-12-02, 13:45	Link #519
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	Don't you have a Pz III/IV? Get the VK 3001H (it's a fun, fast tank, at least back in 6.x) and then the Panther.

2012-12-02, 13:47	Link #520
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	I would need to sell the Tiger for that. No cash.