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View Poll Results: Your impression of the movie - A Wakening of the Trailblazer | |||
091 - 100: Amazing | 78 | 24.15% | |
081 - 090: Great | 66 | 20.43% | |
071 - 080: Very Good | 46 | 14.24% | |
061 - 070: Good | 50 | 15.48% | |
051 - 060: Average | 24 | 7.43% | |
041 - 050: Below Average | 17 | 5.26% | |
031 - 040: Bad | 6 | 1.86% | |
021 - 030: Very Bad | 4 | 1.24% | |
011 - 020: Awful | 10 | 3.10% | |
001 - 010: You would rather watch Britney Spears exposing her crotch. *shudder* | 22 | 6.81% | |
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2012-12-20, 22:10 | Link #1262 | |
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Well, if it's legally printed and approved by Sunrise/Bandai, I think it's official, even though it's a lesser canon like SEED mangas.
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2012-12-20, 22:20 | Link #1263 | |
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But yeah, given what we saw of how ELS assimilation works and what we've seen of Innovator capabilities, far more likely for that to be in a mindscape rather than something physical.
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2012-12-20, 23:20 | Link #1264 |
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Notice during that scene when they looked at each other (with younger Marina) they have changed of clothes (look at their necks where the collar of their clothes should be). I am betting more on symbolic, as explaining how Marina gets be young at that instant doesn't make sense (and trying to make it sense in my head involve process that would kill Marina first in gruesome ways... I'll pass)
From what I remember, the manga contradicts some aspect of the movie... so in that case, it's not official. But who really cares, it's up to audience interpretation anyway. |
2012-12-21, 00:46 | Link #1265 | |
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The director did seem to intentionally leave Setsuna in an ambiguous relationship with both Feldt and Marina. In a way it's a shame since I'm sure fans were hoping for a more concrete answer. Yet, it might also be a good thing. Putting Setsuna in a romantic relationship might make the series look too much like SEED. Not a good thing in my book. |
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2012-12-21, 00:54 | Link #1266 | |
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I personally don't think that's true at all. |
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2012-12-21, 02:12 | Link #1267 | |
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Also, Setsuna still had a lot of personal issues to work out by the time Trialblazer takes place. There's a possibility that he just wasn't emotionally ready to be in a relationship. It would have been nice if this had been a season three instead of a movie so that we could have watched him gradually grow closer to a possible love interest. Assuming that he would have one. That would also help to prevent his character from looking too OOC. It's really too bad that the director chose to tease us the way that he did. If done correctly then placing Setsuna in a romantic pairing could have had a positive effect on the story. After all, the first three OPs and early character interactions indicated that it was a possibility. Throughout the series we see Setsuna growing closer to Marina with the occasional interaction with Feldt. Then, it seems as though his relationship with former sort of plateaus as he grows closure with the latter. This trend appears to continue well into the film. And then... That stupid epilogue. I for one certainly didn't see that coming. Not that I really have anything against Setsuna and Marina. I just felt that the way it was handled was really awkward. Not to mention that I sat there wondering what happened to the rest of the cast. |
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2012-12-21, 02:55 | Link #1268 | ||
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Case in point, much of the "melodrama" of SEED wasn't about the fact that the main character was in a romantic relationship, although it certainly played a factor. Quote:
Of course, I suppose the problem is that there may be a lack of trust that they can do it properly, not to mention what's proper may be different for different people. |
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2012-12-21, 03:56 | Link #1270 |
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Well, and this is just my humble opinion, the only meaningfull interaction with a woman Setsuna had was Marina, the only woman that he ever bothers to think about is only Marina, the only woman he returnts to in the end of the story is Marina. I thing it is pretty obvious what the author was intending to show us with that.
Now we have the manga with an ending that gives just a better closure. Here is also the raw for the first and second chapter. Spoiler for Raw spoiler:
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2012-12-23, 00:57 | Link #1271 | ||
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I don't think many of the fans consider this manga canon for two reasons. The first is because of the changes made to the storyline and how it deviates from the movie. The second is because it is written by a different author. All of the other side stories are written by Tomohiro Chiba, but Trailblazer is written by Kaishaku. Now I'm honestly not sure how most 00 fans would view this, but I'm treating this the same Gundam Wing's Ground Zero Manga. Since it was not written by one of the show's writers I personally don't consider it canon. |
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2012-12-23, 01:40 | Link #1272 | |
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"Alternate story" does not mean "unofficial". One simple example: Zeta series & Zeta movies have different story and ending but both are official.
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2012-12-23, 08:59 | Link #1274 |
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Umm...Gundam Wing anime and Gundam Wing: Glory of Losers manga are both official despite some "contradiction" in their stories. Glory of Losers is even so official Bandai made MG kits based on it .
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2012-12-23, 09:57 | Link #1275 |
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Well, places like Sunrise only consider animated works canon. While those like Banpresto will use Anime, mostly, and manga for their Super Robot games depending on what is more well known and popular. Banpresto has also taken an Anime series and added in things from the Manga that were well received by plans. Of course SRW canon is only canon for their games but at least Banpresto recognizes Anime and Manga as their own canons that can be freely mixed together if need be.
Anyway, I loved 00 up until the movie ending. The randomness of it and than the huge time skip(which only gives some closure to Setsuna being a Silver Superman) really put me off. |
2012-12-24, 06:00 | Link #1276 | |
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The giant space-flower is a symbol of peace for Setsuna, since the ELS achived full understanding with Setsuna it's pretty obvious they would pick that flower as a symbol One thing that did bother me was the lack of info regarding all the other CB members, Sumeragi was apparently highly respected since they named their first deep space exploration vessel after her. Allelujah/Marie was shown to be smiling the last time we saw them, so i'd call that a happy ending, Lyle was smiling aswell, hell, everyone was smiling! |
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2012-12-25, 23:25 | Link #1278 |
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As a SetxMarina fan, I do wish the manga scene is true but it's kinda hard to integrate them.
If the manga adaptation (I consider them different from side stories, which expand things outside the anime rather than adapting the anime itself) go to lengths to synchronize with the anime like the novels did, than any new stuff they add might be more acceptable into actual main storyline but they're very different. They also didn't exactly get the director and co-director seal of approval in a disclaimer, unlike the novels. I believe the co-director directly had a statement at the end of S1Novel 1 saying that the novels were meant to add on information the anime; the way the novels were written kinda helps this as well since they're expansion mostly comes from monologues and narratives inside the actual scenes; as well as the occasional narrative that adds background and technological information in a scene such as political elaboration on the liberal and conservative divide in Azadistan and doesn't have contradicting scenes and events.. I even heard that Graham died a different death and the ELS Gadelaza appearing, among other things. A lot of different things happen in the Season 1 and 2 manga adaptations as well. The way the manga is written makes it very hard to add integrate anything new it writes into the main lore. Honestly, I believe the Epilogue scene is really enough for me. It was a sweet scene of reunification between two people who played an important role in each others life. Romance could or could not be a part of it and hell it was something nice to see too.
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