2012-02-05, 16:10 | Link #19461 |
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Democracies certainly have their shortcomings but without it you maybe forcing people to accept practices and ideologies they do not wish to follow. That will cause social friction particularly if those policies fail. This brings on another issue, if you don't have a democracy then it is less likely you will have accountability. If a politician fails in a democracy he loses his power but in other regimes that is less likely to happen. This can lead to long-term instabilities as the person or body in power no longer has the legitimacy to govern the land. This means any social or political reform can only happen through revolution which is inherently a chaotic process.
Democracy is not perfect and perhaps compromises can be made by having a republic. People have certain fundamental rights that cannot be altered or violated by the state but above these basic rights the state can change what it wishes. In addition citizens may need to perform certain responsibilities before gaining their full rights or full citizenship. This other alternative could be achieved if people needed to demonstrate a certain level of intelligence and awareness/responsibility to be given the right to vote. This balance of rights/responsibilities did indeed happen in some ancient societies but then these processes are still open to corruption/abuse and certain disadvantaged people could lose out in such a social arrangement through no fault of their own. I suppose if it was embodied as a basic right that people will have access to education and the only obligation of the citizen was to pass some exam to allow them the right the vote it could work... But I guess this is another topic for discussion. |
2012-02-06, 01:49 | Link #19462 | ||||
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I find this article a very interesting read, which is an interview of Lee Kuan Yew (the former Prime minister of Singapore) by Spiegel, most of the interview centered on his opinion of China. It can't be called news since it is an interview done in 2005. But many points are quite relevant, and it is interesting to see how the politics have evolved and what predictions turned out to be on the mark and what not so.
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2012-02-06, 03:05 | Link #19463 | |
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Analysis: India's military build up may be too little too late?
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2012-02-06, 05:00 | Link #19464 | |||
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It's ironic that outsiders would quote Mr Lee Kuan Yew here, of all places. I am of the feeling that the typical AnimeSuki member would not find his brand of politics very much to his or her tastes.
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It's not that Mr Lee is wrong. Rather, it's more that circumstances have changed. The fault lines still exist, but I would argue that his stubborn insistence on seeing things along those lines is part of the reason we are still struggling with these issues to this very day. There was a time when, in hindsight, it probably was expedient to do away with certain civil freedoms for the sake of harmonious relations (and hence a stable environment for economic growth). But that time is past. It's telling that the late Dr Toh Chin Chye, one of the founders of the People's Action Party to which Mr Lee belongs, once said as long ago in the mid 80s that there is less press freedom in Singapore at the time than before independence. Even then, there were already people, party elders no less, who felt a need to liberalise. More so today. |
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2012-02-06, 05:19 | Link #19465 |
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I must say I never understood the need of humanity to form fractions, groups, communities, etc that will be in conflict with each other.
It leaves me with the feeling that people need to have a conflict with somebody in order to be happy and when there is none, they create one. I mean, why it is difficult for people in a multiculti country to get along? Why cant you let the neighbours speak the language they want and pray to the god they want? Why does it always end with one side yelling: "look what they are doing", "we need to pass a law to prevent that" and similar? Seriously people, dont you have other things to worry about such as earning a good living, raising your kids properly and minding your own business? Seeesh..... |
2012-02-06, 05:36 | Link #19466 |
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Fact is acting like combative dicks got us to the top of the food chain. Unfortunately now that there are no more sabretooth tigers, mammoths and Neanderthals to exterminate we're pretty much left with each other to be dicks at. Kinda self destructive survival of the fittest.
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2012-02-06, 06:07 | Link #19467 | |||
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The real problem with the "liberalisation" of the media is that Singapore is way too small to have a "media industry", much less a need for garbage like ACTA, COICA, or any other jurisdiction putting forward "IP". Also in the field of "soft products", a couple of my friends/merchants who deal in import-export of technologies have stated that hiring workers to build a "corporation" is incredibly stupid business sense due to our landmass and populance - the only corporation is the republic itself. That is the most serious problem of our country IMO. All the kids out there are looking to be hirelings rather than self-employment or entrepreneurship, and the government isn't exactly helping by discouraging radical ideas in the field of R&D and business* despite having a generally good legal system to protect patent technology. Shanghai is way ahead of us in digital technology development despite being part of the "backward China" (or some people like to put it), but why are we lagging behind despite modernising faster in the 1970s and 1980s? And the local politics drove the last nail in the coffin. In the previous election, I don't see any outstanding candidates at all who put forward their visions and Singapore's place in the world (I would rather it be the Solar System) in this century (other than a satellite state of China), but rather kept re-iterating on the often-ignored social problems, or mudsling each other. I don't have much confidence in this country. Unfortunately the moon isn't colonised yet. * - Don't talk to me about Spring Singapore. It is underfunded and staffed by mostly overly-conservative optimists. Pardon the oxymoron.
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2012-02-06, 08:45 | Link #19468 | ||
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2012-02-06, 09:04 | Link #19469 | |
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Both Singapore and Hong Kong are similiar in size, but Hong kong has managed to have a very succesful film industry, while Singapore... However, the HK film industry is historically weak right now, and I'd say the PRC will probably tighten it's grip on the industry, perhaps snuffing it out. This creates a very good opportunity for a country like Singapore, to become the new media hub of South East Asia. Furthermore, Singapore can probably draw on talent from all over South East Asia (just as it already draws unskilled workers), while Hong Kong is more restricted. Malaysia and Indonesia are not places where you can expect to be free of government interference over what you make, Singapore can capitalise on that fact to draw all the Malaysian and Indonesian talent to their shores. And if the PRC does clamp down on the HK media, they could probably draw some of HK's industry as well. |
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2012-02-06, 09:16 | Link #19470 | ||||
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And the delineation of such identities from those of other communities stem in part from our innate need to emphasise our "individuality". You see this on a micro scale every day here in AnimeSuki, as fans defend their favourite genres from detractors. Extrapolate the cases to a macro scale, and you will easily see how we got to where we are today. Ideally, such discussion should not be personal. But when is it ever not, especially when what defines you is at stake? Quote:
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Contrast this with the two-faced nature of politicians all over the world, and it becomes easy to see why so many foreigners admire the freshness of his honesty. (Local opponents, past and present, are more likely rue his words...) |
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2012-02-06, 09:28 | Link #19471 | |
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Thats why saying that idealistic ideas have little to do with reality is not quite correct in my opinion. And no, I dont understand conflicts as you described them. So you said that people have their identity, religion and culture.... sure. They want to protect it.... I still see no problem. But why on earth do they push their ideas on others, who have a different belief? Now this is where I stop understanding. Is it really so difficult to say: ok, this is what I believe in. And thats what my neighbour believes in. I will respect that and let him live his life as freely as I live my own. So maybe my country of origin isnt so multicultural as Malaysia or Singapour...... yet sadly the fact that people seem to desire to have a conflict makes sure there are conflicts, albeit maybe not as strongly profiled and destabilising like in other parts of the world. |
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2012-02-06, 09:37 | Link #19472 |
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If your idealistic, you will probably achieve nothing, but the people will follow you, and you will be powerful, even though you will probably ultimately fail.
If you are pragmatic, your methods will achieve success, but the people will be apathetic towards you, or even hate you, so you will not be powerful, as you will not have the mandate of the people. Again, you will ultimately fail. Which is why the clear solution is to appear idealistic, but behave pragmatically. But then people call you two faced. Here you can see the politicians dilemma. |
2012-02-06, 10:27 | Link #19473 | ||||
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Therefore they can focus on industry. Singapore's problem is twofold; communists + Malay supremacists as the homeland threats + America and Russia are vying for control in this Chinese majority land while maintaining their growth towards the future. It is both an economic and geographical problem since we are so tasty as a port city. And to compound problems, pirates and smugglers enjoy using Singapore as a gateway between Malaysia/Thailand and Indonesia/Philippines. Bootleg liquor is a small issue, but the real problems are refugees from Vietnam who end up being sold as sex slaves, and when those perverts aren't satisfied with Vietnamese girls they took Thai and Malay ones. And arms smuggling too, mostly dated Enfields, BARs, Arisaka, T-100 and Sten guns. And the new government took a really huge gamble in inviting the Israelis to train us; had the Malaysians known, they would have invaded us and barred us from eating pork. Then China would fund Vietnam and send agents to rally the the Chinese populance in the SEA region, pissing off Australia and the 7th Fleet. Quote:
Before inviting foreign actors, we MUST first have a strong media base. And we must have an original idea. You know what kind of original film idea did Hong Kong create? Kung Fu movies. Beyond the lightsaber and route 66 K-mart boot kicks, they actually used historical characters and add salt and spice to it. And we have brilliant writers who wrote sensationals about heroism and chivalry - two traits which are lacking amongst the warmongering politicians around the world at the time. That is also the reason why They became popular also due to real martial-arts fighting and choreography - something that lingers up till today. Although not as far fetched as the Nine Suns Skill or the No Shadow Kick. What kind of genre has Singapore produced other than Kopi-O and such? Most of the stuff are just local culture and limited in market value - Malaysia did pretty with a few people like P. Ramlee, their stuff comes across but our stuff never goes up North. I think the problem is that we are too conservative when it comes to media development, they are always afraid of offending someone. Quote:
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2012-02-06, 10:43 | Link #19474 |
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Calling politics "the art of the possible" isn't wrong, and it sounds nice, too. I tend to go with Henry Adams' thoughts, though: that politics is the systemic organization of hatreds. That's definitely how it plays out in America, at least.
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2012-02-06, 10:58 | Link #19475 |
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Turkey needs Europe? Turkey's Minister weighs in...
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2012-02-06, 12:49 | Link #19476 |
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Norway mass killer demands medal at court hearing
"The right-wing extremist who has admitted killing 77 people in Norway's worst
peacetime massacre told a court Monday that he deserves a medal of honor for the bloodshed and demanded to be set free." See: http://news.yahoo.com/norway-mass-ki...HRlc3QD;_ylv=3 |
2012-02-06, 13:22 | Link #19477 | |
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2012-02-06, 13:44 | Link #19478 | ||
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