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2012-04-30, 17:23 | Link #21164 |
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Ex-CIA Interrogator: Obama's War on Terror Is Less Ethical Than Bush's
"The former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service Jose Rodriguez says President
Obama is waging the nation's war against radical Islam in a far more brutal manner than his predecessor President George W. Bush. "We don't capture anybody any more," Rodriguez told 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl on Sunday. "Their default option of this Administration has been to ... take no prisoners ... How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them? I never understood that one."" See: http://gma.yahoo.com/ex-cia-interrog...134551480.html |
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When you listen to him, he's a rational scary kind of guy - the sort of person who is able to walk down the dots from "good guy" to "its okay to commit genocide because we had a process in place". What we saw in the Bush.... well, Cheney power structure was echoes of how a country can move from trying to do good to psychotic evil. Where Jose completely misses the boat is that he *may* have saved a few Americans at some point (that simply isn't validated) but he and his cohorts CLEARLY has put us all in much much more danger if any of us are captured. Like a waifish little ghoulish necromancer I play in some of my MMOs likes to say, "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle! That's all I'm doing! <bright innocent smile>" as she audits the battlefield afterward looking for good parts.
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2012-04-30, 18:51 | Link #21166 |
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It's probably not a matter of ethics. It's probably a matter of the administration realizing what a cluster fuck it turned in trying to apply a system of legal justice to people you tortured to get information out of. Anything short of a Kangaroo court would never convict anybody who'd been detained like that, and the Bush Administration tried.
still, there's something weird about torture advocates calling foul on killing terrorists.
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2012-04-30, 19:16 | Link #21169 |
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HK protesters turn out to support Chen Guangcheng
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqh...uangcheng_news http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/national...r-in-hong-kong Edit: China stays silent on blind activist as US talks begin http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-st...430-1xv6f.html |
2012-04-30, 19:36 | Link #21171 | |
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Example: accused witches would often finger other "witches" when "encouraged" just to make the pain stop. None, of course, were witches at all. But that's not what the torturer's wanted to hear. So even ignoring any ethical or "high road" considerations, information gathered that way is more likely to do damage than help. The best data has always come from getting the captive to drop their guard and relax, they inevitably slip and say stuff. The *best* interrogators know this.
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2012-04-30, 20:50 | Link #21173 |
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Re:Torture.
This reminds me of the Japanese taking this Navajo soldier (who'd enlisted prior to all Navajo recruits being redirected to the windtalkers) prisoner, then making him listen to radio broadcasts the Marines were making with Navajo speakers, which the Japanese had no idea how to translate or decipher. So the Japanese have the only Navajo speaker they have access to listen to the radio broadcasts. And what does he say? "This is Navajo, but it's complete nonsense talk. I have no idea what they're talking about" And with quite good reason. The Military didn't just have Navajo over the radio. They had basic elementary code words for important military terms. The Japanese response? They decided the guy had to be lying, tortured him more, then just threw their hands up and assumed everything he said was bullshit. This episode was the closest the the Japanese ever came to figuring out what was going on with the tactical radio codes the US military used in the pacific, and they blew it because of typical Jack Bauer 24 bullshit.
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2012-04-30, 23:42 | Link #21175 |
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Well... it looks like *some* people in Oklahoma have a clue, whether you're for or against abortion - this law is a insane piece of nonsense with cartloads of collateral damage potential. Obviously, it isn't science but it also is damaged ethically/religiously/morally. I'd even go so far as to call it "cult insanity".
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/30/151733...rt?ft=1&f=1001
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2012-05-01, 00:47 | Link #21178 |
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The Republican Party, traditionally, is for small government. At least from what I recall. Though the Republican Party of Reagan is not exactly the same as the Republican Party of Eisenhower, and certainly not the Party of either Teddy Roosevelt or Lincoln. And the GOP is for sure not the Republican Party of Reagan. It may have hints of it, but the changes seem to be almost two different parties even post-Civil Rights Movement shift (the near swapping of the Democrats and Republicans in terms of demographics and policies following the days of Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon)
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