2011-10-11, 20:22 | Link #62 | ||
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You need to be choosen by the grail to be a participant and you need a magic circle that works for the invocation magic and that's it. You don't need anything else to summon a servant. The magic circle was already on the floor of the shaft where he trained everyday. The extra in the case of shirou was that he had inside his body the scabbard (avalon) inside his body so that worked as a relic and thats why the grail summoned saber. Its never been stated if there's a limit regarding age but since a master might be chosen as long as they can flow prana through a magic circuit that pretty much says that everyone has a chance. Quote:
The world changes completely as the darkness is destroyed by a golden light Fate complete material vol 3 states that avalon is the ultimate magical item that transcends even magecraft (this means is even more powerful that the great grail itself in terms of magical mysteries) avalon creates a boundary field (similar to a reality marble just bigger) so powerful that its impossible for any kind of magic or physical force to overcome the effect of the field. The field connects the current reality where it was summoned with the land of the fairies and at that moment any magical or physical energy will cease to exist since that is not allowed in the domain of the fairies. So in short, angra manyu's energy was purified after shirou is eaten by the dark matter. Lets remember that the dark matter its actually energy from the origin itself but corrupted by angra manyu. At the end the games says something around: The black mud disappears and just the path remains, the holy grail. And of course saber goes excalibur on the opened portal so this time she really gets it. And in UBW its easier. In that reality the manifestation of the grail is not even complete (the event horizon is really weak) and there was no proper core to begin with reason why they used shinji. When tohsaka rescued shinji something similar to what happened in the very first summoning of the grail (1st grail war) happens and the grail becomes unstable because of the lack of a proper core. The difference between what happened then and in UBW is that the energy from the event horizon in the first place was very little so when archer attacks its hitting the part of the system that controls the link between the core and the energy flowing underground that's why the grail system goes for gilgamesh in the end, its trying to get the missing energy to complete itself but the portal closes after gilgamesh is devoured. In short, archer messes up the grail system although not so badly as in the HF route. Last edited by alumnox; 2011-10-11 at 21:42. |
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2011-10-12, 01:39 | Link #64 | |
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who destros the holy grail,which is only the key to opening the great grail, now the great grail where angra manyu really is, its destroyed or sealed by a member of the clock tower in the fate and ubw routes.. |
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2011-10-12, 04:24 | Link #65 | |
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About avalon well I'm afraid is what the game says. We can have our own likes or dislikes about it but avalon purified the dark matter which we know already what it is from where it comes and what means to be devoured for it so in my opinion the game its clear in this matter. And of course as we know already Saber destroys the portal. Here is important to understand that the grail system is formed from several pieces that sadly share the same name "grail" but actually all of them are interdependent from each other, Ill explain more about it later. Spoiler for scene:
In the UBW as I said the grail becomes unstable because of the lack of a proper core and archer damages the part of the system that links the energy running underground to the core while saber destroys what is left of the embryo the system was building. Spoiler for scenes:
In this reality, Saber didn't attack the portal like in the fate route, in UBW since the main source of energy is destroyed by archer and saber the system goes for gilgamesh to try to keep himself working but its not possible as Gilgamesh says so himself. Talking about the future in the fate route and UBW its hard because we need to speculate but lets give it a try. Spoiler:
Event horizon: the moment at which the underground system gathers enough natural energy from the region to start the selection of masters also opens a connection with the swirl of root in order to access to the information about the heroes making possible the selection of servants. This time frame was exactly every certain years I don't remember exactly how much but it was exactly the same time every time but Kiritsugu Emiya actions inside the underground system will change that time frame.
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Destroying the mud doesn't mean it is purified one bit.
Purify would actually mean that Avalon removed the filfth and darkness of Angra Mainyu, which didn't happen. It "simply" obliterated the mud, nothing more nothing less.
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2011-10-12, 06:23 | Link #67 | |
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And in my defense Ill add just for the LOL EFFECT a little thing that is not SOLID EVIDENCE but I think it serves a little to support my idea and its the fact that the classic red color used to represent the corruption is absent in the final scenes after the dark matter is dispersed.
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I think 200 is just a round up number.
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2011-10-12, 13:54 | Link #74 | |
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1st 190 years ago 2th 130 years ago 3th 70 years ago 4th 10 years ago 5th 0 years ago |
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2011-10-12, 15:46 | Link #76 |
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I still can't rationalize why the fifth war happens after a 10 year interval instead of 60 years.
I get that no one obtained the holy grail in the fourth war, but its energy was unleashed either way. And in the first three wars, no one obtained the grail either, right?
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What they had there was the lesser Grail. The Great Grail is underground, with no direct connection to the lesser Grail. Quote:
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No, it wasn't. The two things you posted have absolutely nothing to do with the timing of the next Grail War. The Great Grail sits there and keeps collecting prana from the air, and then when it's full (which takes 60 years), it signals the next war. It's never explicitly stated why the fifth war happened so soon after the fourth, but most likely there was prana left in the lesser Grail for some reason. |
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I love your posts guys I just sign up to ask alumnox if it's ok to copy them for my blog I’ll send you the address in private message and please could you explain more about the grail thingy. I found information about it but I’m confused about the terminology.
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