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outlaw55 · 2004-05-05, 10:33

Fuck you NoSanninWa, he started it....i see no equality....

**monir** · 2004-05-05, 10:44

This episode remided me of history channel where a certain event in history would be "shown" by a painting. The camera would move over the painting while a narrator would describe the event with the aid of some sound effects. So there is no actual sense motion to unfold the event that took place, rather the speaker takes us through it. And that is exactly what episode five was consist of 90% of its twenty minutes slot. The animators just colored the frame, voiced the character, and then added some music. Basically it was "watching" the still frames of the manga instead of reading the manga. Here are a few examples.

Bathroom scene: We see the lady-enforcer's skirt was hugging her back with such intimacy that the distinct curvature of her back couldn't escape anyone. So I was surprised to see the sudden panty shot followed by the lifting of the skirt (we don't see the "lifting") which appeared to be glued to her back just a second ago, and now it was apparently claimed by the air resistance as the downward acceleration of the gravitational force was acting on her body.

As was the case in most of the time throughout the episode, it was just another still frame which was lacking fluidity and sense of motion. We also see the characters' moving side to side, sometime in slow motion, but without any actual motion. It's just the camera moving over still images. We see Nagi approaching the mask-guy at the end of the episode from a first person's view, meaning there was no Nagi. The mask guy was just standing still while the camera moved forward with a lot of shaking.

Those were a few example of the tactics employed throughout this episode. Also the lack of transition to progress the sequence of events and horrible organization didn't help out to get into the episode either. Quoting the comic book guy from the Simpson, "Worst episode ever."

boneyjellyfish · 2004-05-05, 13:33

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Originally Posted by monir

Quoting the comic book guy from the Simpson, "Worst episode ever."

Are you saying it's the worst episode of Tenjou Tenge ever? That's pretty interesting because there have only been four other episodes aired, and they were all pretty good. Just by saying that it's the worst episode, you're only comparing it to episodes that have been decent. Anyway, I agree that it was the worst episode aired thus far, but it was still pretty good.

silentpixel · 2004-05-05, 15:08

This episode was ok for me. Not better than the last 3 though. I liked Aya`s reaction about what happened between Soichirou and Natsume. I wont to see what happens with that. And that stick fight looks intresting.

Holy Knight · 2004-05-05, 20:51

They are probably planning to have episode 6 with the fluid animation we saw from episode 2, but complete with 3 different fights going on. I'll give them some slack since the next episode is probably going to be non-stop fighting the whole way through except torwards the end.

I hope ep 6 doesn't dissapoint.

Shihbang · 2004-05-05, 23:14

Since they're going pretty much 1ep = 2 chapter of manga, it's a given that sometimes there won't be much action. I don't really mind that they skimp a bit on the animation when there's no fighting, but I do hope the maya/izumi fight picks up next episode.

Physics doesn't apply in anime...I found this out years ago when in one of the street fighter eps, chun-li had to hold up her dress when m bison ripped it, but then was able to do a flying kick without having it fall down. Amazing.

So Izumi's dress just has variable elasticity...hmm...

I wanna see flashback arc good!

kujoe · 2004-05-06, 00:07

Yeah, the past arc should be at least treated as a flashback, however I can see the series pulling off a "Wolf's Rain" if you know what I mean. Two or three episodes of what happened in the past seems acceptable, though that would entail mean edits.

EmperorIceBerg · 2004-05-06, 03:48

Can't you people see the obvious answer for episode five's lackluster animation sequences? It simple means they will be spending more time on episode six's many fight scenes, which I'm sure will be well worth it.

Don't give me that look either.

Gold_Rogers · 2004-05-06, 03:53

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Originally Posted by EmperorIceBerg

Can't you people see the obvious answer for episode five's lackluster animation sequences? It simple means they will be spending more time on episode six's many fight scenes, which I'm sure will be well worth it.

Don't give me that look either.

Tenjho Tenge?

*Gives Emperor that look*

silentpixel · 2004-05-06, 07:27

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Originally Posted by EmperorIceBerg

Can't you people see the obvious answer for episode five's lackluster animation sequences? It simple means they will be spending more time on episode six's many fight scenes, which I'm sure will be well worth it.

Don't give me that look either.

lol I agree Its obvious. That episode reminds me about alot of girls i know.... it was such a tease. lol

SeeG · 2004-05-06, 10:34

why isnt Bob introduced in the anime by name?
is it because he's black!!!!??? j/k...this is a pointless post
i love this show cant wait for more to arrive

Secca · 2004-05-06, 10:39

No more fluid fighting motion, because they already spend all their budgets on Maya's transformation, so deal with it. ^^

**monir** · 2004-05-06, 12:14

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Originally Posted by boneyjellyfish

Are you saying it's the worst episode of Tenjou Tenge ever? That's pretty interesting because there have only been four other episodes aired, and they were all pretty good.

The concept of animation is based on motion, right? The lack of it was so unsettling about this episode and as you have pointed out, the series only have five episodes out so far. Usually short serieses tend to have better artwork and animation than the longer running serises. I suppose shows such as Gun Grave, Kousetsu Hyaku Monogatari, Paranoia Agent have spoiled me beyond repair. As for me quoting the comic book guy - "worst episode ever", he watches every other genres beside "the Simpson". So I thought quoting the comic book guy would be apporpriate since it was the worst animated episode I ever watched.

pathyfinder · 2004-05-06, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorIceBerg

Can't you people see the obvious answer for episode five's lackluster animation sequences? It simple means they will be spending more time on episode six's many fight scenes, which I'm sure will be well worth it.

Don't give me that look either.

Uhm.. I use to think this way but after a terrible wait and anti climatic wait from other running anime, well, it's nice to hope for this, but I wouldn't be surprised if "the big fight scene" is just more of the same.

boneyjellyfish · 2004-05-06, 13:56

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Originally Posted by monir

The concept of animation is based on motion, right? The lack of it was so unsettling about this episode and as you have pointed out, the series only have five episodes out so far. Usually short serieses tend to have better artwork and animation than the longer running serises. I suppose shows such as Gun Grave, Kousetsu Hyaku Monogatari, Paranoia Agent have spoiled me beyond repair. As for me quoting the comic book guy - "worst episode ever", he watches every other genres beside "the Simpson". So I thought quoting the comic book guy would be apporpriate since it was the worst animated episode I ever watched.

Looks like you haven't watched Condor Hero yet. It has probably the worst artwork and animation I've seen in an anime made in its era (2001), and yet it has an absolutely beautiful story. Another example is Magical Chocolate, an OVA with absolutely horrid artwork and animation that had a very nice story indeed. Animation is based on motion, but good story always trumps bad animation.

Now then, did Tenjo Tenge 5 have a good story? Not really, it was more of a lead-in episode to the real fight scenes in episode 6. However, my point is that lousy animation != lousy episode.

ACE2003 · 2004-05-06, 14:12

Spoiler:

Just finished watching Fight 6.....It was awsome!!!! For the manga readers, chapters 11, 12, and a little of 13 were mixed together. Again, I am just posting bits and pieces of what happened, not a detailed summary, you guys will just have to wait and see....

It starts off with Bob and Masataka fighting the 100 group members from Mitsuomi's group and they are holding their own pretty well here. A couple of minutes were spent here showing Bob and Masataka doing their thing, then we are shifted towards the fight between Sagara and Nagi here...all I am going to say is that the animation was superb. It definately picked up from the last fight as we see the fluid motions of Nagi's moves as he starts his assault on Sagara. But the fight that stole the show here was between Emi and Maya!!! I'll admit a good job was done animating this one. A little bit here and there was done, then it shifts to Aya and Tagami with Tagami having the advantage with his long range weapon. Aya come up with a idea to back herself into a corner where his weapon will be ineffective, but the plan does go exactly like she wants it to.....

From then on here, all of the fight scens I mentioned jumped around a bit, showing off there moves. I especially love the Emi and Maya fight. This was without a doubt the best fight in the entire series so far!!! Can't really put into words other than you have to see it to believe it.

Fight 6 ends with Mitsuomi arriving at the bowling alley....

Overall, this episode was the best one so far as far as action-wise goes. I'll say again, the Emi and Maya fight really stole the shine here. I would comment on the words and things like that, but I just wanted to lay down the jist of what happened, which was all action and less talk.

Fight 7 looks like its going to shift towards the battle between Sagara and Nagi, which should be another interesting fight.....The animation picked itself back up this Fight which made it even more enjoyable to watch. Can't wait to see Fight 7.

dreamless · 2004-05-06, 14:35

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Originally Posted by boneyjellyfish

Looks like you haven't watched Condor Hero yet. It has probably the worst artwork and animation I've seen in an anime made in its era (2001), and yet it has an absolutely beautiful story. Another example is Magical Chocolate, an OVA with absolutely horrid artwork and animation that had a very nice story indeed. Animation is based on motion, but good story always trumps bad animation.

Now then, did Tenjo Tenge 5 have a good story? Not really, it was more of a lead-in episode to the real fight scenes in episode 6. However, my point is that lousy animation != lousy episode.

Errr... I always thought Legend of the Condor Hero is one of the worst anime series ever... but then I read the novels before so maybe I'm biased =.="

boneyjellyfish · 2004-05-06, 14:50

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Originally Posted by dreamless

Errr... I always thought Legend of the Condor Hero is one of the worst anime series ever... but then I read the novels before so maybe I'm biased =.="

The pain! It buuuuuuuuuuurns!

**monir** · 2004-05-06, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneyjellyfish

Now then, did Tenjo Tenge 5 have a good story? Not really, it was more of a lead-in episode to the real fight scenes in episode 6. However, my point is that lousy animation != lousy episode.

I am sure you will change your mind if all the hype that is being built around do not meet the expectations for the upcoming fighting scenes.

If the animators think that they got away with their cheap trick once, they might ask themselves "why not twice?". I was looking forward to watching Condor Hero. If that's the case, I'd rather read a good book and use my imagination than "watch" a book.

EmperorIceBerg · 2004-05-06, 23:15

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Originally Posted by pathyfinder

Uhm.. I use to think this way but after a terrible wait and anti climatic wait from other running anime, well, it's nice to hope for this, but I wouldn't be surprised if "the big fight scene" is just more of the same.

Well, Im sad to say, your right. Early reviews and screen caps are up of episode 6 and it's a repeat of episode 5 all over. From what I gather there's one good (fluid character motion) scene, and the rest are basicly what we saw in episode 5 ("still character/camera moving" and "floating character with action lines" shots).

SPOLIERS

There's Less of this: http://toufqb.free.fr/momotato/pics/maya.gif
There's More of this: http://toufqb.free.fr/momotato/pics/action.gif

2004-05-05, 10:33	Link #261
outlaw55 Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 40	Fuck you NoSanninWa, he started it....i see no equality....

2004-05-05, 15:08	Link #264
silentpixel Champloo Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NYC Age: 40	This episode was ok for me. Not better than the last 3 though. I liked Aya`s reaction about what happened between Soichirou and Natsume. I wont to see what happens with that. And that stick fight looks intresting.

2004-05-05, 20:51	Link #265
Holy Knight Time Bomb Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 40	They are probably planning to have episode 6 with the fluid animation we saw from episode 2, but complete with 3 different fights going on. I'll give them some slack since the next episode is probably going to be non-stop fighting the whole way through except torwards the end. I hope ep 6 doesn't dissapoint.

2004-05-05, 23:14	Link #266
Shihbang Elite Fireball Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Age: 41	Since they're going pretty much 1ep = 2 chapter of manga, it's a given that sometimes there won't be much action. I don't really mind that they skimp a bit on the animation when there's no fighting, but I do hope the maya/izumi fight picks up next episode. Physics doesn't apply in anime...I found this out years ago when in one of the street fighter eps, chun-li had to hold up her dress when m bison ripped it, but then was able to do a flying kick without having it fall down. Amazing. So Izumi's dress just has variable elasticity...hmm... I wanna see flashback arc good!

2004-05-06, 00:07	Link #267
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	Yeah, the past arc should be at least treated as a flashback, however I can see the series pulling off a "Wolf's Rain" if you know what I mean. Two or three episodes of what happened in the past seems acceptable, though that would entail mean edits.

2004-05-06, 03:48	Link #268
EmperorIceBerg Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Can't you people see the obvious answer for episode five's lackluster animation sequences? It simple means they will be spending more time on episode six's many fight scenes, which I'm sure will be well worth it. Don't give me that look either.

2004-05-06, 10:34	Link #271
SeeG AniMe P.I.M.P Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 40	why isnt Bob introduced in the anime by name? is it because he's black!!!!??? j/k...this is a pointless post i love this show cant wait for more to arrive

2004-05-06, 10:39	Link #272
Secca nya` Artist Join Date: Feb 2004	No more fluid fighting motion, because they already spend all their budgets on Maya's transformation, so deal with it. ^^

2004-05-06, 14:12	Link #276
ACE2003 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tokyo,Japan; The land of Anime!! Age: 40	Spoiler: Just finished watching Fight 6.....It was awsome!!!! For the manga readers, chapters 11, 12, and a little of 13 were mixed together. Again, I am just posting bits and pieces of what happened, not a detailed summary, you guys will just have to wait and see.... It starts off with Bob and Masataka fighting the 100 group members from Mitsuomi's group and they are holding their own pretty well here. A couple of minutes were spent here showing Bob and Masataka doing their thing, then we are shifted towards the fight between Sagara and Nagi here...all I am going to say is that the animation was superb. It definately picked up from the last fight as we see the fluid motions of Nagi's moves as he starts his assault on Sagara. But the fight that stole the show here was between Emi and Maya!!! I'll admit a good job was done animating this one. A little bit here and there was done, then it shifts to Aya and Tagami with Tagami having the advantage with his long range weapon. Aya come up with a idea to back herself into a corner where his weapon will be ineffective, but the plan does go exactly like she wants it to..... From then on here, all of the fight scens I mentioned jumped around a bit, showing off there moves. I especially love the Emi and Maya fight. This was without a doubt the best fight in the entire series so far!!! Can't really put into words other than you have to see it to believe it. Fight 6 ends with Mitsuomi arriving at the bowling alley.... Overall, this episode was the best one so far as far as action-wise goes. I'll say again, the Emi and Maya fight really stole the shine here. I would comment on the words and things like that, but I just wanted to lay down the jist of what happened, which was all action and less talk. Fight 7 looks like its going to shift towards the battle between Sagara and Nagi, which should be another interesting fight.....The animation picked itself back up this Fight which made it even more enjoyable to watch. Can't wait to see Fight 7.