2006-09-04, 10:50 | Link #61 | |
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Destiny's WOL, however, appear to be cutting edge. So cutting edge, that it is apparently barely supported by the Destiny Gundam's hardware. It's generally considered that, if there was any difference in power-plant design in Destiny, it was to accommodate the energy demands of WOL. One has to point out the Legend never once had energy supply issues, which may be attributed to Dragoons been perfected and no where near as experimental as it once was. One might wonder how it is possible to have WOL being so draining as to make Destiny needing a backup battery like the modern-day Hybrid vehicles. But we need to remember that a nuclear power-plant is not a nuclear bomb; it might be able to operate for long periods without refueling, but there is actually a maximum limit in how much power it can produce at a time. Things like the maximum operational temperature of the reactor components means you can't overclock the output. WOL is probably still too far ahead of the technological advancement curve.
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2006-09-04, 11:16 | Link #63 | |
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If the WOL were so demanding energy wise then why keep it? It only makes the Destiny look cooler and does it leave a sort of afterimage? Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice couldn't be mass produced because I don't think they could be easily piloted even by FAITH members and it would cost too much.Mass produced mobile suits are designed for the "average pilot". It reminds me of a question that I've always had : who was supposed to pilot Freedom if it wasn't stolen by Kira Yamato? |
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...And I guess they wanted to implement F91's afterimage thingy into the show, with V2's 'wings of light' to have even cooler effects. Quote:
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And as you can see, it's got nothing to do with nuclear fusion. -_-;;
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2006-09-04, 11:47 | Link #66 | ||
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ZAFT engineers probably don't intent Shinn to use WoL for any longer than short bursts at a time. Remember, the standard equipment for the original Freedom and Justice were also too power intensive for battery-powered suits, and the original early prototype had to be hooked up to a powercable when it was forced to be used in combat. Quote:
Comparisons of nuclear generator output between UC and CE is futile; CE uses nuclear fission, but all mobile suits in UC (even the lowly Zaku II) runs on fusion.
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2006-09-04, 12:08 | Link #67 | |
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hence them equipping it with Neutron Jammer Cancelers It would be understandable for Freedom since it relies mainly on its long range weaponry but Justice doesn't seem that powerful though |
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2006-09-04, 12:10 | Link #68 | |
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I guess that it might also be one reason why SF and IJ's reactors were maybe superior or had a higher output than Destiny and Legend - they were meant to use those artillery monsters for hours. Destiny and Legend couldn't dock with them (due to their backpacks) so it was unnecessary to boost those reactors.
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2006-09-04, 12:19 | Link #69 | |
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Oh yea you are right I thought that METEOR had its own energy supply but I guess I was wrong thanks for telling me. Isn't it strange to find that Freedom is much more famous than Justice though they have participated in more or less the same things (ORB battle , Jaquin Due ) ? Isn't it strange that no one knows about Freedom's pilot identity? ZAFT military only refers to Freedom's pilot as "Freedom" but Dullindal , Rey know about the pilot. About Legend I think it is kind of normal for it not to run out of energy it mainly uses beam attacks either from the DRAGOON system or the beam saber and Legend being an upgraded version of Providence would have no power issues since it has no experimental equipment such as Destiny's Wings of Light. |
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2006-09-04, 12:28 | Link #70 | |||
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Then came Orb and Jachin Due. It's just that it has a longer service life than Justice and holds less bitter memories for ZAFT. If you recall, Athrun was given Justice and went on a high-priority, low-profile mission to retrieve and/or destroy Freedom...and news of it being used for something other than Patrick Zala's plans came too late...and only a few persons like the Chairman himself learned that. With Boaz being whacked by EA and the appearance of Natural-piloted MSes, ZAFT had other issues to worry about. Also, Justice has a lower record against ZAFT than Freedom has. Kira not only bashed ZAFT MSes during Spitbreak, but it also gave a spanking to the troops trying to capture Lacus and Raww Le Creuset, a ZAFT ace. Athrun did less than that, so he's got less hatred on his back. Quote:
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Nevertheless it's also interesting to know that Freedom and Justice could power up METEORs with "conventional" reactors and batteries yet Destiny's upgraded power plant and batteries couldn't hold up for its own weaponry...which is technically less impressive or requires less energy than that...unless, of course, the METEORs have their own big-ass batteries on top of the embedded MSes'.
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2006-09-04, 12:40 | Link #71 |
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Giving the context, I'm surprised that Kira isn't seen as a hero in PLANT. he did knock down the nukes that would have obliterated everything, and also stopped the war. In the beginning of destiny you can see that peace has the absolute moral high ground, and being the bringers of peace Kira and co should have a high place. The old military personnels all had if not admiration deep respect for the AA and freedom, and also athrun, since they saved their world after all.
As for SF's dragoon only having one cannon, face it, gundam design, especially for a highlight suit like SF, is influenced by how the thing would look. Since the dragoon units are prism-like, it just looks better for them to have only one cannon.
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2006-09-04, 13:03 | Link #72 |
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I think Jachin Due was more controversial than Lunamaria let on. Sure, they didn't die, but they didn't win either. And the Junius 7 treaty was seen as disadvantageous for Plant (costing Canaver the chairmanship), so Freedom's pilot's (and Athrun's) positions in the heart and minds of coordinators could be... ambiguous.
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1°) he fought against ZAFT 2°) he stole ZAFT's pride, the Freedom 3°) he was part of another big embarassment for ZAFT - the TSA and Eternal 4°) he killed Raww, ZAFT's top ace 5°) I don't think a lot of people know him and his name. I don't see Kira parading in PLANT's streets or being forced to. Much less walking up to a stage for a speech. He's low-profile (especially for a brooding, angst-sick teenagerso I guess it's normal for him to crave for shelter from unwanted attention. It'd be out of character for him to seek the spotlight and start strutting around boasting about his feats. If you combine all of those factors, then Kira's role in the previous war can and will only be seen as that of a skilled, exceptional fighter, not a hero's. You just don't go and cherish someone who joined with EA then messed big time with ZAFT. That'd be another nail on ZAFT's coffin - having the population adore a powerful enemy that gave you haemorrhoids for weeks if not months. *gulp* My god. The horror. Don't they have any shame after all they (ZAFT) have endured? So let's make the tale a little less glitzy and have everyone harbor a mitigiated, neutral opinion. Especially if Durandal knows that Kira and Co. will most likely oppose him. There is no need portraying his party as heros especially when they're about to be branded as terrorists or Blue Cosmos loyalists or sympathizers, even if it is unthinkable for Coordinators. Quote:
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2006-09-04, 13:38 | Link #74 | |
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1) Use an OLD ZAFT designation system 2) Uses weaponry with ZAFT designations 3) Uses weaponry with lower ZAFT designation numbers than newer ZAFT releases? Eg the Strike Freedom's Super DRAGOONS is EQFU-X3 or something like that while Chaos is EQFU-X5, which implies that they were designed before Chaos'. 4) SF's beam shield generators and the beam shield generator on IJ's shield have lower model numbers than the ones on the DOM Troopers (which lost out against the ZAKU in mass production trials), which has the same as the ones used on Destiny. All this points to IJ and SF being designed and several of their weapons being developed before later suits. They were built by "Terminal", but most likely designed by ZAFT, just like the DOM Trooper first was. ZAFT technicians loyal to the Pink Menace probably stole the design and research data for SF and IJ as well as that of newer technology like the beam shields, which for some reason wasn't included in SF and IJ - they may just not have been compatible, or whatever. |
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The "nationalistic" concept of ZAFT should have taken quite a hit in SEED, so the us against them mentality should be recognized as erronous. But blame the plot for not showing it that way. Look at post ww2 europe. If the nationalistic side of PLANT was still alive, at least it does not have the usual moral authority.
Kira fought against ZAFT in the sense that he tried to stop the operations of the Zala regime, which is already disgraced anyways. Say your home village was taken over by a bunch of mobsters who want to turn it into a terrorist training camp, and there are some ammo dumps in your village that will surely be used by terrorists, is it bad to take these ammo dumps out of the current administration's hands? Stealing Freedom so that the war can be stopped is a good thing, for PLANT. The key here is who the people identify with. Given the moral superiority of TSA, it is quite certain that they were also the good side in the eyes of post-war PLANT. ZAFT's embarrassment is not its losses to Kira, it is the fact that ZAFT fought against kira in the first place. The actions of their leaders were the real embarassment. Quote:
But then again I am anti-nationalistic, and an anarchist by position, so I might have too high an expectation. Dully gaining power is not explained in detail, so we do not know how he did it. Really he must have out-lacused lacus to win. Terminal may be outside of ZAFT, but they are still mostly coordinators. It is like a paramilitary organization that serves PLANT without serving ZAFT. Quote:
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2006-09-04, 14:10 | Link #76 | |
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Lacus' loyalists have access to ZAFT technology that can't be denied 1) they aren't part of ZAFT so they can use whatever system they want 2) their technology was from ZAFT since the same loyalists worked or are still working for ZAFT 3) not necessary e.g Destiny having a lower number than Impulse is an example it isn't said that Destiny was built before Impulse IIRC Dullindal said that Destiny was a Gundam made especially for Shin . Newer doesn't mean better 4) I don't know I don't think that the plans for IJ and SF were stolen they were actually created by the "Terminal" members they were heavily based on the original models Freedom and Justice about the DOM unit well that is true it was effectively taken from ZAFT but they considered it a failure for mass production well it's understandable having energy shields for a "grunt" type would cost too much |
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2006-09-04, 14:21 | Link #77 | |
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Between Durandal's good guy attitude (backed by breasty/skimpy-Lacus) and people who unexplainedly start messing with ZAFT, the choice on whom to believe is easily made. That shows that there is clearly disinformation or propaganda at work - however symbolic the ships may be, the crews behind the instruments might have less consideration to get from ZAFT. And respect, too.
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2006-09-04, 14:24 | Link #78 | |
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true Dullindal always manipulates things to make him look good e.g Destroy originally defeated by Freedom has been turned into a Destroy defeated by a courageous ZAFT member |
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2006-09-04, 14:38 | Link #79 | ||
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You should also tell the U.S. Army to give its (now-cancelled) XM8 rifle a greater number than the M16's...despite nearly forty years of difference between each other, the XM8 was given a smaller number than its (intended) predecessor. Same thing for the XM26 underbarrel shotgun, which is slightly younger than the XM29 SABR/OICW. Quote:
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