Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Hidetoshi Nakata]

if he had a limited understanding of the situation, there would be no need to kill Trillram, when he explained the plans Saazbaum for him.
If the Terrans Were using Asseylum, she would be in a laboratory, having your body dissected or subjected to torture, to obtaining information Aldnoah power.
She would be kept in a cell, like they did with Mazuurek.
No army in the world, places your hostage to fight on the front lines of the battle or let him walk freely without handcuffs and soldiers doing the escort.

[Oboro]

@EternalSpringFlower all the argue about Klancain and Mazurrek came from here you are going out of context and mystifying what i wrote start from this:

Originally Posted by lubczyk

I just find it ridiculous that Mazuurek and Klancain are being painted as being noble, while Slaine evil. Blame isn't really passed onto Ray himself either.

and you write this

Originally Posted by EternalSpringFlower

Slaine haters see him as omnipotent, that's why. He could have singlehandedly ended the war, restored world peace and saved everyone. He simply chose not to do it. Which is why he is the ultimate evil.

so you can have a context about what i wrote for mazuurek and kanclain


coming to your last reply

Originally Posted by EternalSpringFlower

Klancain seems to be happy following Rayregalia's will so he didn't mind going to war over one princess's death, right? Hardly a peace lover's position. We don't even know what he truly wants, maybe he's after power and that was his big plan all along, he's just angry Slaine is hogging the magical robot.

Mazuurek isn't really into fighting but he also wasn't doing anything to stop it.
Neither of them was forced to choose between a terrible thing and a worse one.

And it was never once said anywhere that Slaine actually enjoys the war or likes waging the war or that he even likes having the power (though I think he does on some level). His position is more like "the end justifies the means".

Also I'm not being underhanded, I'm being sarcastic. Slaine is now blamed for everything, even for things he didn't start or has little control over.

As shown in the script neither klancain or mazuurek are warmongers, and but they change behaviour once they learn about slaine plan and the fake asseylum.

about the char as showned to us in the show

For Mazuurek watch ep 16: He holds no contempt over the people of Earth and merely wants resources and prefers not to fight. Count Mazuurek has so far avoided fighting, seeking to preserve Earth's natural resources, but reluctantly deploys in his Kataphract.
here you are the script:

ep 16
Barouhcruz: Count Mazuurek, I am aware that you go out of your way to avoid destructive acts of aggression because your priority is on seizing Earth's resources. No, I am not criticizing you for taking such a position. However, now is the time to press on with the invasion of Earth, by force if necessary!
Marylcian: If this continues, the authority of the knight order known as the 37 Clans will decline further.This calls for a faction that will set aside their power struggles and work together.
Barouhcruz: What are your thoughts, Count Mazuurek?
Mazuurek: *groans*

so we can assume that at least he don't want to kill ppl, he just want the Resources so he's in line to asseylum will: diplomatic relationship to grant resoruces to mars.

Klancain? you talk about he's following rayregalia will, we see in the last episode that in the end he learn about he's being so senile and he follow Just asseylum, you did't see it? And he knows what is asseylum wish right you catch it? even if he' is a warmonger (and we don't have any clue in the actual show) he prefer his loyalty to the royals above his personal issue.
then just logic, use it, he offer his help to Asseylum, he help her excaping from Slaine prisony and he bring her to Mazuurek landing castle, who isn't at all a warmonger as we know, to call a ceasefire, the one called in ep 23 end, he was by her side during it SO obv 1) at this point he share asseylum will about the peace OR 2) at least he swear loyalty to his Princess and he follows her orders. Your choice.

they, mazurek and klainclan try to stop the war?YES both in they own way help to, once they learn about the slaine plan and the fake asseylum stuff, they are helping Asseylum in her ceasefire , so yes.

that's why, coming back to initial lubczyk post they are painted better than Slaine: they are Loyal to Asseylum wish.

one last thing you said "we never saw Slaine enjoy the war or likes waging the war" ,well we never seen the opposite also, sline struggle only when is Ntr'ed, this for the sake of avoiding fanwank , but it doesn't matter: what the difference if he's just a killer or a sadist killer? it matters?


edit: And this is the funny stuff about slaine fans, episode after episode all the chars are underplay to put Slaine in a better shape, it was so for inaoh, then for asseylum, now you also try with minor char like mazuurek and klancain.

[dark44]

Originally Posted by Oboro

@EternalSpringFlower all the argue about Klancain

Klancain: just logic, use it, he offer his help to Asseylum, he help her excaping from Slaine prisony and he bring her to Mazuurek landing castle, who isn't at all a warmonger as we know, to call a ceasefire, the one called in ep 23 end, he was by her side during it SO obv 1) he share asseylum will about the peace OR 2) at least he swear loyalty to his Princess and he follows her orders.

they try to stop the war?YES once they learn about the slaine plan and the fake asseylum stuff they are helping Asseylum in her ceasefire , so yes.

that's why, coming back to inital lubczyk post they are painted better than slaine and Loyal

one last thing we never saw Slaine enjoy the war or likes waging the war (well we never seen also the opposite btw) , so what the difference if he's just a killer or a sadist killer?

klancain only help her cause he hate slaine who have his father mecha and dont forget his father was racist against terran and hate them and i think if there is 3rd season he well the main antagonist

[Oboro]

Originally Posted by dark44

klancain only help her cause he hate slaine who have his father mecha

if it's the only reason we will see in the next episode(s)

what we see in the show actually that he help asseylum for the cease fire, so well he's not for the war above everything.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by dark44

klancain only help her cause he hate slaine who have his father mecha and dont forget his father was racist against terran and hate them and i think if there is 3rd season he well the main antagonist

Klancain is a loyalist. "My princess, right or wrong". That's why he helps her, rather than the usurper who set up an impostor.

Besides, just because his father despised Terrans doesn't mean he does. (Though he'd probably fight them as enthusiastically as he'd fight anyone the Royals ordered him to.)

[lubczyk]

What I don't like about Asseylum's political play is that it calls back to Slaine trying to contact the Emperor in the 1st season while Sazzbaum was listening in. Couldn't any number of Orbital Knights have been listening in to Asseylum's confrontation with Ray and call her bluff? The Knights could still use their own audience chambers to confirm that Ray is still alive and justify the continuation of the war.

Also, Sazzbaum stated in episode 10 of season 1 that since he controlled the Moon Base, he could block and/or intercept communications at will. He did just that with Asseylum's proclamation of a ceasefire. None of the other Counts heard it for Sazzbaum blocked the broadcast. How then, can Mazuurek, with his typical Landing Castle, override the transmission from the Moon Base?

This development feels like the episode's inclusion of Vers ships having stealth capabilities: It has never been alluded to beforehand in any capacity. The writers are just pulling things from the ether to move the plot forward as they have the entire series.

[Dauerlutscher]

Ray has way more reasons to believe his Granddaughter than some knight or some Terran kid.

[lubczyk]

Originally Posted by Dauerlutscher

Ray has way more reasons to believe his Granddaughter than some knight or some Terran kid.

I'm talking about the warmongering Counts confirming that Ray is actually, you know, dead. The war is still underway through pronouncement of Ray's in the first season following the short ceasefire.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

I'm talking about the warmongering Counts confirming that Ray is actually, you know, dead. The war is still underway through pronouncement of Ray's in the first season following the short ceasefire.

Ray does not need to be dead just mentally incapacitated.
Ray did abdicate before with Gilzira.

So to the Knights Asseylum is the only game in town as she has admin rights... Unless Lemerina steps up as contender to the throne.

[zerozeronine]

I'm still waiting for Slaine to be the new protagonist of s2 as his fans here kept on predicting

[lubczyk]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I'm still waiting for Slaine to be the new protagonist of s2 as his fans here kept on predicting

This is just the 1st season. It's split-cour.

The sequel is coming in the Fall. Aldnoah.One: Let Justice Be Done. Through Slaine.

[The 48th Ronin]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

Aldnoah.One: Let Justice Be Done. Through NTR.

Fixed.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I'm still waiting for Slaine to be the new protagonist of s2 as his fans here kept on predicting

Since when Slaine fans ever right on mark?

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by noobita

Since when Slaine fans ever right on mark?

There is a certain kind of fan base, it doesnt take much effort to figure who they are and what kind of characters they support, that are like this everytime. I have seen the same patterns for many years on forums and chat sites since the 90's.

[Hidetoshi Nakata]

Originally Posted by noobita

Since when Slaine fans ever right on mark?

Will Inaho finally tell him why the sky is blue?

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

This is just the 1st season. It's split-cour.

The sequel is coming in the Fall. Aldnoah.One: Let Justice Be Done. Through Slaine.

Yeah,I meant 2nd cour,not watched the last ep yet,did Slaine became the protagonist?

[Guido]

Basically, there's an interlude break so that the joined UFE forces from Earth and Mars Orbital Knights prepare themselves for the final showdown.
Whatever Seylum can try accomplish with that transmission, likely IMO, won't have much effect to deter all the Martian clans from pressing further with the war, and Seylum had hardly any luck to understand and to reconcile her Grandfather's reason for his hatred towards the Earth.

I believe it is the people branded as fools by the current holders of the status-quo that make the difference at the expense of their integrity, honor, families, and life getting taken away from them.

I believe as well that current generations should be mindful of the mistakes from their predeccesors so as not to repeat them but to learn from them in order to avert future calamities for the coming generations.

I said those two previous statements, because Seylum needs to take action in order to perform something radical that can alter the Martian mindset, if only towards something positive.