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Marcus H. · 2010-03-14, 08:01

That's the problem. They reject that they were wrong. What can they do except complain about it? Pretty much nothing. Honestly, I wish there are people who do not think too much into the future and overanalyze or otherwise think too much about the next episode only to b*tch around when their predictions gone wrong.

And I hate tropes. Yes, they are funny to read when you got nothing to do, but when it becomes a reference by people to flame a specific aspect/character in a series, it is utterly wrong.

Haak · 2010-03-14, 08:08

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

And I hate tropes. Yes, they are funny to read when you got nothing to do, but when it becomes a reference by people to flame a specific aspect/character in a series, it is utterly wrong.

Hey that's a little harsh. Sounds to me that you should be hating the people who use tropes the wrong way, rather than tropes themselves. After all, even Tvtropes recognises that:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ropesAreNotBad

Waven · 2010-03-14, 08:09

liked the episode, I don#t try to think in cliche categories anymore, makes me think i'm a freaking literature studies academic for manga/anime

anyway, I'm really looking forward to next ep, Saten with baseball bat? - priceless, she could use it to beat the coins out of a vending machine for Misaka then to go all out gatling-rail the crap out of dozens of power-suits

that would so make my day

tsunade666 · 2010-03-14, 08:10

6/10..... its good and bad. Hard for me to watch.

Marcus H. · 2010-03-14, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Haak

Hey that's a little harsh. Sounds to me that you should be hating the people who use tropes the wrong way, rather than tropes themselves. After all, even Tvtropes recognises that:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ropesAreNotBad

The thing is, tropes are a sort of a forced classification on something that is not naturally classified and one "with a years worth of free time" can only make up. I think I'm just very very very not comfortable with that.

Shinji103 · 2010-03-14, 09:17

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Can I say now that people are treating this episode badly despite having watched 23 out of 24 episodes of Railgun? And what is with the throwing "cliche" comments everywhere? I smell the application of the "damn if they do, damn if they don't" principle.

I'm not pointing this at anyone; I'm just pissed that people blatantly harass the episode only because e.g. Telestina is a psycho instead of a cunning antagonist, Uiharu's power is a disappointment, and Misaka Mikoto made a choice that "people see as wrong".

What's "damned if they do, damned if they don't" here? (except maybe Uiharu's power; that I can see) Why not just not make the cliche psycho-face bad guy, or Mikoto have come off as less high-horse? (but as I said, I agree that it's not her fault that she didn't know Tele-whatever was a bad guy since she's not an anime viewer watching a show called Railgun, so I wouldn't say she made the wrong choice at the time, just that she could have handled it better) Then there wouldn't be any "damned," because there wouldn't be any people calling it cliche or knocking on it. Thus it doesn't apply.

Minagi Mikoto · 2010-03-14, 09:27

Well, I gave it 7/10. Many things has happened but it disappointed me in some ways.

It wasn't really a surprise that Telestina was a bad guy. But how did she transform from a cool-acting woman to a complete psycho?!

The ending was a bit cheesy. The rescue team looked so childish!

What really interested me for a bit was Mitsuko saving Mikoto. But I got disappointed again when they just skipped the scene (Poor Mitsuko! All she did get was a simple "thank you" after she asked it!).

Way to go, Saten Ruiko! This is what a true leader is!

And to my surprise, Telestina is the "first sample" herself! They can just use her DNA or anything to make the vaccine!

tsunade666 · 2010-03-14, 10:10

telistina reminded me of beato that really pisses me off that why its kinda irritating more and more.

Minagi Mikoto · 2010-03-14, 11:15

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

telistina reminded me of beato that really pisses me off that why its kinda irritating more and more.

Who's beato?

KaneDragon · 2010-03-14, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Minagi Mikoto

Who's beato?

Beato, Beatrice, the Golden Witch, the Endless Witch. Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Telestina is evil?! No way...
...
Anyways, the very obvious bad guy finally reveals her true identity. It's Beatrice! Full of hilarious facial distortions and insanity!

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Originally Posted by KaneDragon

*cackle*cackle*cackle* Misaka Mikotoooooooo!!!!

Eater of All · 2010-03-14, 12:02

"WE MUST SAVE THE CHILDREN!"

But really, I don't get what's so cliche about a batshit insane Telestina. Is it because it's everyday you see villains wearing purple mechs shooting with grenade launchers and still manage to make trollfaces on par with a thousand-year-old witch? The "I Googled her and OH SHIT SHE'S KIHARA'S DAUGHTER" part was a little lame I'll admit, but does it warrant such bashing? For that matter, I personally think the friendship card was played well this episode, and hardly felt cliche either. It was completely natural, since from episode 1 Railgun has been trying to emphasize its friendship theme. It's not like Mikoto wasn't asking for it with her tendency to do everything by herself. I'd be appalled if J.C. Staff had allowed her abandon her comrades and go solo against Beato Reborn, and then have the 4 girls magically reconcile for no reason.

Besides, I give Telestina credits for making ep23 one of the most hilarious Railgun eps to date. Maybe you guys should take this a little less seriously.

Primary Consult · 2010-03-14, 15:54

9/10, these +s really helped:
+kuroko slaps uiharu
+mikoto fight and fail
+mikoto directly being compaired to Kiyama
+kongo mitsuko does something (everyone plz stop spoiling her power, kthxbye)

Also, ++Saten bringing a bat to an esper battle...

Minuses:
-Mikoto considering her friends. Yes I put this as a minus. Considering she *has to* be a lone wolf for Sisters arc to make any sense (and also have the impact that makes it awesome), it was kindof cool to see her going off on her own, and I thought it was a good way to transition out from the ensemble cast.
-Telestina as psycho... seriously, someone who didn't blatantly show her cards the moment she had her "full house" (the kids) would have been a hell of a lot more respectable. Though I'm guessing with more knowledge of the rest of the family I'd feel differently, on her own it seems like a bad move straight off the "100 things never to do as an evil overlord" list.

Dralha · 2010-03-14, 19:57

10/10 HOT DAMN that was awesome.

Ghostfriendly · 2010-03-14, 20:06

Seems like a lot of issues with this episode. Telestina's confrontation with stripper woman and Uihara was cool, her complete OTT personality switch, and indeed her background, not so much.

Uihara crying and Kuroko's interaction was quite good; rather than finding something new in herself, it seems like Uihara will just be more confident in who she was before. Satan making Mikoto take a step back was very well handled, using silence rather than words. The general plotting is rather basic, and the preveiw did end things on a very cliched note, but overall, this was a great character episode.

Why are people complaining about friendship in this show? Its rather the whole point.

ReddyRedWolf · 2010-03-14, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

Why are people complaining about friendship in this show? Its rather the whole point.

Probably because Mikoto in future events never seem to learn her lesson. Kuroko is right Mikoto and Harumi are quite alike in more ways than one.

Doc Frog does as much damage control of these mad scientists inhabiting the city as he can. Problem is his fellow city founder who actually has the power doesn't care for lives ruined so as long their actions help his overall goal.

Mikoto will have to go against the system from time to time not getting her friends involved.

Marcus H. · 2010-03-14, 21:17

Am I the only one who noticed that Telestina's psychopath laugh seems out of place compared to her normal voice?

DragoZERO · 2010-03-14, 21:23

2/10.

So bad...so very bad. If it wasn't for Kongou it would have gotten a 1 from me.

vedicardi · 2010-03-14, 21:39

I was kind of expecting the "twist" but at the same time I wasn't. I think it was initially very well executed for sure. When she steps on the flash drive, it's just such a "shit is getting REAL" moment.

Yeah, I suppose they went a bit overboard with her insanity, but I mean really, she does seem really insane to begin with, just in a different way.

And Saten is still the best character. yay.

Marcus H. · 2010-03-14, 22:09

Actually, I think her mental instability might be because of too much psychic candy.
Also...

Spoiler for Index novels:

MeisterBabylon · 2010-03-15, 00:47

Ange = Misaka, Kihara = Beato.

The VAs...

I see what you did thar, JC Staff

View Poll Results: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10	11	14.47%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	24	31.58%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	20	26.32%
7 out of 10 : Good	11	14.47%
6 out of 10 : Average	3	3.95%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	0	0%
4 out of 10 : Poor	2	2.63%
3 out of 10 : Bad	1	1.32%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	1	1.32%
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2010-03-14, 08:01	Link #81
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	That's the problem. They reject that they were wrong. What can they do except complain about it? Pretty much nothing. Honestly, I wish there are people who do not think too much into the future and overanalyze or otherwise think too much about the next episode only to btch around when their predictions gone wrong. And I hate tropes. Yes, they are funny to read when you got nothing to do, but when it becomes a reference by people to flame a specific aspect/character in a series, it is utterly wrong. __________________ Continuing:* White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-03-14, 12:02	Link #91
Eater of All NOM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Outside the Asylum	"WE MUST SAVE THE CHILDREN!" But really, I don't get what's so cliche about a batshit insane Telestina. Is it because it's everyday you see villains wearing purple mechs shooting with grenade launchers and still manage to make trollfaces on par with a thousand-year-old witch? The "I Googled her and OH SHIT SHE'S KIHARA'S DAUGHTER" part was a little lame I'll admit, but does it warrant such bashing? For that matter, I personally think the friendship card was played well this episode, and hardly felt cliche either. It was completely natural, since from episode 1 Railgun has been trying to emphasize its friendship theme. It's not like Mikoto wasn't asking for it with her tendency to do everything by herself. I'd be appalled if J.C. Staff had allowed her abandon her comrades and go solo against Beato Reborn, and then have the 4 girls magically reconcile for no reason. Besides, I give Telestina credits for making ep23 one of the most hilarious Railgun eps to date. Maybe you guys should take this a little less seriously. __________________ Last edited by Eater of All; 2010-03-14 at 12:13.

2010-03-14, 19:57	Link #93
Dralha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Neo-Venezia	10/10 HOT DAMN that was awesome. __________________

2010-03-14, 21:17	Link #96
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Am I the only one who noticed that Telestina's psychopath laugh seems out of place compared to her normal voice? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-03-14, 08:09	Link #83
Waven Itadaki-nyaaa !! Join Date: Apr 2008	liked the episode, I don#t try to think in cliche categories anymore, makes me think i'm a freaking literature studies academic for manga/anime anyway, I'm really looking forward to next ep, Saten with baseball bat? - priceless, she could use it to beat the coins out of a vending machine for Misaka then to go all out gatling-rail the crap out of dozens of power-suits that would so make my day

2010-03-14, 08:10	Link #84
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	6/10..... its good and bad. Hard for me to watch.

2010-03-14, 09:27	Link #87
Minagi Mikoto Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Japan	Well, I gave it 7/10. Many things has happened but it disappointed me in some ways. It wasn't really a surprise that Telestina was a bad guy. But how did she transform from a cool-acting woman to a complete psycho?! The ending was a bit cheesy. The rescue team looked so childish! What really interested me for a bit was Mitsuko saving Mikoto. But I got disappointed again when they just skipped the scene (Poor Mitsuko! All she did get was a simple "thank you" after she asked it!). Way to go, Saten Ruiko! This is what a true leader is! And to my surprise, Telestina is the "first sample" herself! They can just use her DNA or anything to make the vaccine!

2010-03-14, 10:10	Link #88
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	telistina reminded me of beato that really pisses me off that why its kinda irritating more and more.

2010-03-14, 15:54	Link #92
Primary Consult Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 39	9/10, these +s really helped: +kuroko slaps uiharu +mikoto fight and fail +mikoto directly being compaired to Kiyama +kongo mitsuko does something (everyone plz stop spoiling her power, kthxbye) Also, ++Saten bringing a bat to an esper battle... Minuses: -Mikoto considering her friends. Yes I put this as a minus. Considering she has to be a lone wolf for Sisters arc to make any sense (and also have the impact that makes it awesome), it was kindof cool to see her going off on her own, and I thought it was a good way to transition out from the ensemble cast. -Telestina as psycho... seriously, someone who didn't blatantly show her cards the moment she had her "full house" (the kids) would have been a hell of a lot more respectable. Though I'm guessing with more knowledge of the rest of the family I'd feel differently, on her own it seems like a bad move straight off the "100 things never to do as an evil overlord" list.

2010-03-14, 20:06	Link #94
Ghostfriendly Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008	Seems like a lot of issues with this episode. Telestina's confrontation with stripper woman and Uihara was cool, her complete OTT personality switch, and indeed her background, not so much. Uihara crying and Kuroko's interaction was quite good; rather than finding something new in herself, it seems like Uihara will just be more confident in who she was before. Satan making Mikoto take a step back was very well handled, using silence rather than words. The general plotting is rather basic, and the preveiw did end things on a very cliched note, but overall, this was a great character episode. Why are people complaining about friendship in this show? Its rather the whole point.

2010-03-14, 21:23	Link #97
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	2/10. So bad...so very bad. If it wasn't for Kongou it would have gotten a 1 from me. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

2010-03-14, 21:39	Link #98
vedicardi Well I FEEL normal.. Join Date: Apr 2009	I was kind of expecting the "twist" but at the same time I wasn't. I think it was initially very well executed for sure. When she steps on the flash drive, it's just such a "shit is getting REAL" moment. Yeah, I suppose they went a bit overboard with her insanity, but I mean really, she does seem really insane to begin with, just in a different way. And Saten is still the best character. yay.

2010-03-14, 22:09	Link #99
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Actually, I think her mental instability might be because of too much psychic candy. Also... Spoiler for Index novels: Remember that Takitsubo Rikou takes in psychic candy as well. It wasn't without side effects, as her body breaks down because of the effects of the candy. Oh, and there is still yet another Kihara to be introduced. >:3 __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-03-15, 00:47	Link #100
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Ange = Misaka, Kihara = Beato. The VAs... I see what you did thar, JC Staff __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？