2013-01-14, 19:01 | Link #31661 |
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This is something I feel wasn't developed enough as a theme, this idea that Yasu doesn't really know what's become of Battler in six years and Battler doesn't know what's become of Ange in twelve, and seeing each as if neither has changed in any way in the intervening years. And, you know, being wrong.
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2013-01-14, 19:26 | Link #31662 | |
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And maybe it's just because it's late and I'm tired but sometimes I would really like for Umineko to give straight answers to all the questions it raised. |
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2013-01-16, 17:56 | Link #31663 |
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Umineko...giving straight answers? My mind can't even comprehend that idea. Even its more obvious answers go over some people's heads.
Anyways, it's been a while since I last came to this thread. Have any new consensuses on anything in this series been reached in the last few months? |
2013-01-16, 18:21 | Link #31664 | |
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So I guess it's not really consensus, more that we got additional info. |
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2013-01-18, 05:04 | Link #31667 |
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Well, I think he's put way too much time and effort into it to actually admit he's wrong at this stage. But he does seem to have become less hostile to the Shkanontrice advocates in his later videos, and he seems to have mostly stopped bothering to respond to comments on his videos, so I think it's fair to say that he's not really as certain of his theory as he used to be. Or he just realised that we'll never "see the light" and stopped caring.
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2013-01-18, 12:18 | Link #31668 |
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TBH there are only a few things pointing to Rosatrice, while a lot more things are contradicting it.
- Hair color(not same but kind of similar) - Clothes color - Beatrice being surpirsed about Sakutaro (EP 4 - META) For the entire EP 2 Rosa has an alibi. Will was allowed to counter blues with his VanDine reds so they are probably applicable too, so only one culprit with MINOR accomplices. Though his idea of what george does is no longer 'minor'. the rest is pretty circumstancial. I guess he realized tha by now and just can't back down after all the work he did.
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2013-01-18, 14:22 | Link #31670 | |
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That did not work out so well. If anything, the best candidate for Beatrice would be someone with short hair, because short hair is easier to wear a wig with. Rosa has long hair, so that's automatically going to be an issue. Also it would be way easier to style a wig the way Beatrice wears her hair than to actually attempt to style it oneself. I'm not sure it's even possible to style it like that without assistance, at least not with any sort of speed.
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2013-01-18, 14:34 | Link #31671 |
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You can come up with a lot of reasons for anyone to be Beatrice if you try hard enough - and KNM certainly did. Personally I think the most hilarious one was that all the ridiculous outfits on Beatrice's demons counted as evidence towards Rosatrice, because it was said that Rosa had an unsuccessful fashion design company.
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2013-01-18, 14:36 | Link #31672 |
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Well, there are so many special visual similarities between specific characters that hair colour could be seen as some sort of hint, but I would advise against using it as a basis for a new line of inquiry though.
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2013-01-18, 15:23 | Link #31673 | |
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For example, in Legend Battler comments on the portrait witch's blonde hair. He never remarks about the colors of Rosa or Jessica's hair in any way, nor does he use this as the basis for any sort of suspicion. In Requiem, Kinzo and Beatrice C. talk about Italian and Japanese hair, and no mention is made of Kinzo's hair apparently being white as a sheet in his 30s. Also there's the whole thing with Battler and Ange having similar hair colors even though neither their father nor mother has a color matching them and also no one notices these similarities to argue against them being merely half-siblings. From all this, we know two things:
Also no one ever remarks on Shannon, Kanon, or Yasu's hair color, so my assumption is that obvious European features are not present there. If they were, I would have to think somebody would've noticed that at some point, or else everyone is impossibly dense, or Yasu has always worn wigs at all times for no apparent reason.
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2013-01-18, 18:15 | Link #31674 |
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There's also the thing about race that is conveniently ignored.
Though I guess this isn't too much of an issue: the Second Beatrice would be part Japanese and part Italian, then Yasu would probably be more Japanese than Italian. It's just that all mentions of Piece-Beatrice by other characters refer to her as "the Witch of the Portrait" (including Battler at the end of EP1, iirc). Maybe they were only referring to dress and hair style? I dunno, if I was certain that it was the Witch of the Portrait, then I would base that on facial features as well. "Hey guys it's Beatrice. But it's Asian." => All characters have Asian features so you can't find out by looking at the face. or "Hey guys it's Beatrice. An Italian one." => Yasu is noticeably Italian, or he found his mother's grave, cut her face off and is using it as a mask. Last edited by DaBackpack; 2013-01-18 at 18:28. |
2013-01-18, 18:32 | Link #31675 |
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Then again, whenever someone meets Beatrice in the gameboard, they're probably too shocked to really notice things.
It has the same dress and same hair color and hairstyle, therefore it is Beatrice. However, Kyrie met Beato side by side with the portrait in EP2 and, in her eyes, Beato as identical to Beatrice Ushiromiya. Or Kyrie is a betrayed accomplice and EP2 and was told to say that they are the same.
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It was supposed to be a hint of what Beato did! |
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