Maria-sama ga Miteru 4th - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[4Tran]

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[Molenir]

Only have 3 things to say about this episode.

First, Yumi's mom is so totally cool!
Second, I love Touko-chan. She is so adorable and cute. I feel sorry for what she is going through.
Third, What a terrific episode. While it wasn't as good as episode 4 where Yoshino finds her Imouto, it was right up there with it for me. Not sure it deserves a 10, but its close enough I'm giving it one anyway.

[Lesca]

Good episode.

Spoiler for Ep 6:

One of the things I didn't understand though, was the flashes of Touko crying. Did Yumi just imagine them or was she sensing how upset Touko really was behind the fake smile?
I liked the scenes between Sachiko and Rei, when the series first started I could never have imagined Sachiko hugging Rei to comfort her, or anyone really. Didn't understand what they really talking about, but I presume Rei was worried she wouldn't be as close to Yoshino with Nana on the scene?
Yumi's mother is just too funny, I wonder if that's were Yumi gets her many facial expressions from

[initialjt]

Spoiler for episode 6:

10 10 10 10 across the board!

I'm really liking the idea of YumixTouko more and more. SachikoxRei was a bonus. We rarely get any of those.*squees* And we need more of Yumi's mom! She pwns.

I took the time to watch some of Doremi's subs vs. Chihiro's subs. IMHO I think Chihiro's doing the better job with using more eloquent language and it sounds a lot closer to the true dialogue, although the setback is that their release is a day longer.

[dream-seeker]

Originally Posted by initialjt

I took the time to watch some of Doremi's subs vs. Chihiro's subs. IMHO I think Chihiro's doing the better job with using more eloquent language and it sounds a lot closer to the true dialogue, although the setback is that their release is a day longer.

For me, it doesn't matter which subbers are doing the best translation. As long as I can understand what was said.

Spoiler for episode:

EDIT: It was probably Touko in Yumi's flashes, the one with hair down. She didn't recognize the person she thought was calling her (name). If it was Sachiko, Yumi would know right away. Or maybe not. hehehe

I like Yumi's mom and her comment. Different (wrong) reaction/response for Touko vs. Kashiwagi's.

[Fuze]

Spoiler for Episode 6:

I'm really curious about the scenes of Yumi's mind. Was the girl with long straight hair Sachiko or Kanako? Or is it Touko with her hair down? If I had to guess it's Sachiko and Touko; to show how Yumi is starting fall for Touko? Regardless, this episode felt a little abstract with Yumi's mind and her images of Touko crying. I loved it! Maybe Yumi is beginning to possess some sort of psychic power. Just kidding.

I can't help but feel Touko and Kanako have gotten really really close. Kanako might be out of the picture of being Yumi's potential soeur, but I feel like she might still play a vital role for Touko becoming Yumi's soeur.

And I, too, can't believe how much Sachiko has changed. Sachiko seems more open, relaxed, and comforting to others. It's also good to know that Sachiko will attend Lilian College after she graduates. Not good for Yoshino on the other hand since Rei is not.

Did Rei say Nana Arima is 10 years old?!

[mintyfresh]

This episode marks the start of the first Marimite novel I read, so I was of course looking very much forward to seeing it.
I'm sure a number of people here have experienced this same thing before, but there is certainly a strange awareness that comes from watching an episode where you already know and can anticipate what is going to happen and what will be said. It was interesting to see how scenes ended up being animated, as well as what was changed, added, moved, etc, and I loved every bit of it.
But enough of my jibber jabber. Definitely a 10 from me. A very enjoyable episode.

Also, hurray for the successful return of the animation staff! （　・ω・）ゞ

Originally Posted by Lesca

Spoiler for Ep 6:

One of the things I didn't understand though, was the flashes of Touko crying. Did Yumi just imagine them or was she sensing how upset Touko really was behind the fake smile?

Spoiler for an answer(...?):

Good Question.
I suppose Yumi was always thinking about Touko to some extent this episode, and I think we can guess from their conversation in her room that she had already assumed that Touko was indeed hiding how she felt (I mean, she had just ran away from home after all) behind her cheery smile.

I think (and I'm using that word rather lightly now. I'm actually throwing logic out the window and am indulging myself in interpretation) that those flashes are simply the director's way of displaying what Touko feels, but not necessarily what Yumi thinks. As the episode progresses we see her image become clearer up to the time where Touko wordlessly thanks Yumi outside of the classroom, where the fact that the figure has been Touko all along becomes most apparent.
One can perhaps say that the clarity of the image might be an analogy to Yumi's own grasp of Touko's emotions. Although it could have also just been Yumi's own thoughts, as it marks the moment where she first begins to analyze Touko on her own (or at least where she first notices herself doing so).

Or, you know, I could be completely wrong.

[dahl_moon]

By far my favorite episode as of yet.

Spoiler:

I loved the way the episode was able to propel the main story forward, yet in the process show us a whole bunch of little interactions among much of the cast. Sachiko and Rei, Yoshino and Noriko, Kanako and Touko, and on and on. Really gives life to the characters, showing that they actually do have a "life" apart from their assigned role of "Seour."

#1 scene of the entire episode: "That's quite a different reaction from Kashiwagi's case!" Yeah, you can totally see what Yumi's feeling are.

Ah~ dokidoki~ I so want to blurt out spoilers. Anyway, awesome episode.

[sa547]

Originally Posted by Lesca

Good episode.

Spoiler for Ep 6:

I liked the scenes between Sachiko and Rei, when the series first started I could never have imagined Sachiko hugging Rei to comfort her, or anyone really. Didn't understand what they really talking about, but I presume Rei was worried she wouldn't be as close to Yoshino with Nana on the scene?
Yumi's mother is just too funny, I wonder if that's were Yumi gets her many facial expressions from

Spoiler for Yes.:

Rei needs a bit of "quality time" with her soeur. Yeah, I was cackling with laughter to see Sachiko do something unexpected, and furthermore she finally made up her mind where she'll be studying after high school.

Like mother, like daughter. LOL! Nice to see Mom Miki get more screen time.

Geez, next episode's gonna be even more exciting!

[Shiroth]

Spoiler for Episode 06:

Good Touko focused episode. She's incredible adorable in this episode and i really like the visions Yumi had towards Touko's alone state.

A few awesome facts from this episode --- Yumi's Mum is so damn cool. It also looks like she's found out which sex her daughter is more into. & now for the most important fact, don't ever give Rei any cake. She destroys it.

[Seiryuu]

Spoiler:

Good ep. I enjoyed the contrast of Yumi's reaction to the thought of marrying Kashiwagi to the thought of taking Touko as a soeur. I always enjoy the way Touko reacts around Yumi, hesitant, shy, a little standoffish, yet completely powerless to resist once Yumi takes her hand. The look on her face when she gets pulled off to someplace is great. One thing I'm curious about is Touko's secret. It's sad, but the first thing that popped into my head as a secret reason for a big fight was that Touko'd "come out of the closet", but it seems like that'd be a bit like a frog admitting it likes the water in this series...

[Proto]

Despite all the innuendos and the best efforts of the eyecatches drawers this is not a yuri series.

[Anh_Minh]

Doesn't Yumi's mom know that Kashiwagi is Sachiko's fiancee? And, uh, that Yuuki is a more likely target for his affections than Yumi? (Though not knowing that last one, which is a sort of secret, is forgivable.)

Also, Touko was saved by the bell. Yumi was totally going to abuse her...

Seeing Rei and Sachiko together was nice.

[ziggr]

My favorite episode of the season so far.

Spoiler for Oh my!:

Yumi's mom was great. I was already laughing at Yumi's sickened expression, then Yumi's mom jumps in with her mock expected "Oh my! What are you saying, Mother!?" expression. I loved it. Then to recall that moment later as Kashiwagi-san drives off? Good times.

Spoiler for Te wo:

Is this the 3rd or 4th time Yumi has grabbed Touko's hand and pulled her forward?

I think Yumi grabs Touko's hand almost as often as Sachiko straightens Yumi's tie.

[Shigan]

Woa, things sure moved fast O_o. It was an good episode but...

Spoiler for spoilspoilspoil:

I think it could have been better if they put out -some- kind of inclination of that Yoshino and Nana have started to hang out. Last time, Yoshino was still snooping around and stalking her for information and now they're all ready to elope together O.o-- or at least in Rei's imagination, haha.

So Rei and Sachiko are close enough to hug. That was surprising- to me at least, but not entirely unwelcomed. I can see the ReixSachiko fans go through the roof after this lol. (they do look good together :P, and their parting words at the gate just seemed a little like a highschool couple confirming that they were about to go in different directions to me.)

And lol, cake massacre.

[Seiryuu]

First off, no matter what anime you're talking about, don't give someone preoccupied anything to slice. Once the brain goes to other matters, the slice mechanism goes into autopilot and the results are pretty self-explanatory. Still better than slicing veggies to cook, then blood often comes into the picture.
I'm not sure whether I'd say this is or is not a "yuri" show. It seems like the relationships are often a half-romantic, partial attraction that is definitely not a mere friendship, but that all parties know isn't likely to lead to a full romantic relationship. I remember seeing in some old show once a woman talking about her days in a girls' school and how those sorts of things, which in that case were reportedly dubbed "passions", were common and pretty much innocent. So it is somewhat yuri, in that the girl-girl relationships clearly go beyond mere friends, to the point where a girl will get flustered over a "date", get jealous of a potential "rival", or even go into a panic when asked if she's interested in developing such a relationship with someone. I think this is what American fans sometimes refer to as "shoujo-ai".
Does anyone have any idea what Touko's big "secret"is? I'm guessing not an illness since that wouldn't likely cause disagreement with the family, but otherwise I'm drawing a blank.

[Droplet]

I share the thoughts of all the previous comments before this.

I didn't expect a wonderful build up from this episode for the things that will happen on the next ones.

10/10. Best part was the awkward scene between Yumi and Touko. I flinched almost while watching that scene.

Also, I like how this episode interpreted the way girls instinctively "know" when someone is thinking about them.

Can't wait for next week!

[lilgumba]

Originally Posted by Shigan

Woa, things sure moved fast O_o. It was an good episode but...

Spoiler for spoilspoilspoil:

I think it could have been better if they put out -some- kind of inclination of that Yoshino and Nana have started to hang out. Last time, Yoshino was still snooping around and stalking her for information and now they're all ready to elope together O.o-- or at least in Rei's imagination, haha.

So Rei and Sachiko are close enough to hug. That was surprising- to me at least, but not entirely unwelcomed. I can see the ReixSachiko fans go through the roof after this lol. (they do look good together :P, and their parting words at the gate just seemed a little like a highschool couple confirming that they were about to go in different directions to me.)

And lol, cake massacre.

Actually, it was said in the preview for episode 5.

Spoiler:

It wasn't what was shown but it was there. I missed it the first time too. Because at the end they mentioned the date at the amusement park. The rest was what Nana and Yoshino were doing.

So it could have been done better.

[4Tran]

This was another episode with superb characterization and excellent writing. The problem is that, for Marimite, this almost goes without saying!

What I found especially refreshing was the sheer amount and effectiveness of the non-verbal communication in this episode. Anime is a visual medium, and the creators took full advantage of this to make for a scrumptious feast. The two pieces of imagery that I found most interesting were Rei being so absorbed in her thoughts that she shredded her cake and how Kanako overrode Touko's objections over the invitation by grabbing her hand. The latter is particularly nice because it setup the plot precisely the way the creators planned it, acknowledged the participants' reluctance and inner struggles, and do so in a very natural manner.

Originally Posted by Seiryuu

I'm not sure whether I'd say this is or is not a "yuri" show. It seems like the relationships are often a half-romantic, partial attraction that is definitely not a mere friendship, but that all parties know isn't likely to lead to a full romantic relationship.

It's basically a show about courtship rituals, wherein just about all of the participants are female. I don't think that it's really a yuri show in the sense that it's primarily about strong relationships; regardless of whether they have any romantic implications are not. In fact, most of the more important relationships don't have any romance attached to them. Comparing and contrasting with similar shows will probably reveal how much or little Marimite is dependent upon the yuri label.

Originally Posted by Seiryuu

Does anyone have any idea what Touko's big "secret"is? I'm guessing not an illness since that wouldn't likely cause disagreement with the family, but otherwise I'm drawing a blank.

Just a note here. If you already know the answer from the novels and whatnot, please resist the impulse to post any hints here.

[Anh_Minh]

Re: Touko's secret: I was going to say "she's a lesbian, and her parents don't approve", but then, why would they send her to a Catholic School for girls?

Re: Yumi's powers: Well, she can already teleport. Why not telepathy, too?