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View Poll Results: Code Geass Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 35 | 29.41% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 33.61% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 17.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 8.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 6.72% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.68% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.84% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2007-03-15, 23:21 | Link #102 | ||
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Because if she was a certain distance, what with Rivalz talking, I mean she really really did shout out loud (Which begs the question why?). That or the audience has really good ears. Quote:
Though I must admit, Euphimeia must've really really really been sheltered because she obviously did not take politics 101. Actually what school did she attend? Another thing I'm concerned is why she did not discuss it with her sister, sure Schneziel said he would talk to her but nevertheless she would still see her to see what she says. Her intentions and ideas are good, but executed rather poorly (No wait very pathetic). She needs someone who can guide her through the politics and Suzaku obviously isn't made for that, he's a soldier and inexperienced in this stuff. So she needs a whooping to snap her back to reality and do things smarter. Oh and BTW, points for Schnezeil (if done right, he doesn't need to DO anything. It's doomed to fail from the start). |
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2007-03-15, 23:36 | Link #103 | |
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Then don't tourture yourself watching a crappy show like Code Geass.
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Whereas Ryvius was completely Taniguchi and Kuroda's original work, so I personally regard it his highest achievement.
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2007-03-15, 23:47 | Link #105 |
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I'm sure if the federal government took that sort of approach to crack cocaine, society would be a melted pot of human waste right now. So, it's my sworn duty as an educator to point of this stuff to stimulate critical thinking over the subject, since that not only en-riches discussion but has a positive impact on the world as well.
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2007-03-15, 23:59 | Link #107 | |
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2.rearranging standard tropes does amazing things for a show's freshness. (look at how much people liked that new James Bond film last year) The biggest difference between geass and most mecha is that they've taken the show's "Char" and placed him in the protagonist position, and the "Amuro" in the antagonists. Geass also left itself a relatively massive 'toolbox' of characters and settings (school, military, black knights, geass characters, etc.) and moves at a somewhat faster pace than a lot of mecha out there (I'd estimate it at about 3 to 5 plot developments an episode) otherwise, the show just manages to do things "well" by setting up through cliched or unbelievable methods often interesting situations. about half the reoccuring characters have had a plot twist reveal at some point in the series (Sayoko got one this episode), the show can be split up into well defined 2-3 episode arcs (10-11, 14-16, etc) with occasional one-shots (ex: this week), and mantains some variety between arcs (read: fighting and major plot developments aren't limited to the mechs. again, just look at this week) this episode is a nice example of playing with a lot of characters (what, there's like half a dozen interactions this episode?) with a lot of developments of varying sizes (Sayoko, Euphie speech, VillettaxOugi reveal, Suzu-Kallen agreement, glennstone appearance, etc.) outside of the mecha/war scene. they also play with some fun situations of "a knows more than b, and c knows more than both of them." a number of times, which makes for an amusing watch. 3. the protagonist's side doesn't pilot 'gundams'. even though there's the Lancelot, half the fighting cast is in more FMP villian type mecha, and Gawain looks just evil compared to standard protag. mecha (Lelouch's black color schemes are also something of an oddity) all the 'ugly' ones also happen to show up this week in their various hangers. I mean they really do look like "villian mecha". 4. not particularly, but most of the music is fairly well placed. (giant pizza dough on a tree! NOES! ;_; ) 5. this show has Jun Fukuyama, Jouji Nakata, and Norio Wakamoto working on it. I don't think more need be said. just look at Jun's wonderful shifts between Lelouch's multiple "personalities". 21 being a school episode, he does just about all of them. 6. gundam seed/GSD. we rarely, if ever, have to deal with reused fight animation between episodes. (though occasionally we see animation from the openings used once in an episode proper) though I did see carve-tan had just been traced over with a demon costume this week. |
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2007-03-16, 00:04 | Link #108 | |
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Believe me, after this episode, and I think everyone will agree with me here, I'm ready to see and focus fully on Lelouch pull off daring and ruthless manuevers along with Schneziel whose just as cunning. The future events will also change them as well Spoiler:
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2007-03-16, 00:08 | Link #109 | |
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How much satisfaction can you derive from life simply by criticizing anything and everything that is done, is seen, is heard, etc.? |
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2007-03-16, 00:17 | Link #110 | |
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2007-03-16, 00:18 | Link #111 | |
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You're comparing shows you personally dislike to something federally illegal? That's the dumbest thing to ever come from someone who claims to be an intellect. Even if you mean it as a sarcasm. What you are doing sir, to put it in your own words, is jerking-off in public. Constructive criticism is always welcome. Masturbating in public, however, is not. Because, he thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him, or find his attitude out of place, is "circle-jerking to the show".
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2007-03-16, 00:25 | Link #112 |
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I can understand what he was trying to say in relation to how you said "Meanwhile, we'll be enjoying our show." The people sniffing crack are essentially using that as a reason for doing what they do. But as you said, these two circumstances can't be compared because of the degree of seriousness in doing something that is detrimental to society and something that is viewed for entertainment.
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2007-03-16, 00:31 | Link #113 | ||
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I do agree that they've been focusing a ton of time on Euphie and Suzaku and that is kind of irritating. Lelouch DOES make this series. He is the driving force behind it, so when things move away from him for too long it can be jarring. Though I suppose it also depends on whether you actually like Euphie or Suzaku. I'm sure their fans are very happy with the extra screentime for them. That the creators are taking their time to really develop the characters is a good thing to me. I don't see it as dragging the series along at all. Good characterization, especially of the main characters, is vital to me. I think they've delivered in that department. Of course, this slow pace could very well come back to haunt them if they aren't REALLY careful about it. If they don't pace themselves correctly then they could end up being at episode 40 and suddenly realize they have a ton of plotlines to resolve and not enough time. But they have been picking up the pace lately and if they give us a second season, I do have hope they will resolve everything. Quote:
1. Ground-breaking? Not necessarily. Nor does a series have to be ground-breaking to be a good one. 2. I think so. You'll be hard-pressed to find a mecha anime series with a main character like Lelouch. It's a rare, rare thing. I think that's what I find refreshing about the series. All and all, he's a fascinating character to follow. Flaws and all. I can't think of a main character in any currently running anime that is nearly as interesting, except Yagami Light. 3. Well, two of the reasons this series even grabbed my interest before it even aired was that the characters were designed by CLAMP and that it was a mecha series. I'm fond of my mecha. CLAMP has been one of my favorite group of mangaka for many, many years. Needless to say, I like the art very much. 4. Hmm...I think I like Death Note's soundtrack better. Maybe Iroha too. However, I think the music suits the mood of the series excellently. Is it "original"? Probably not, but if it suits the series and captures the mood, that is enough. 5. Great. This is Fukuyama's best work by far. I've heard him in many things and I like the fact that he is versatile. Compare his roles from Gakuen Heaven (LOL!!!), to XXXholic to Code Geass and you can see the difference. The rest of the cast is wonderful as well. 6. It's good. Is it perfect every episode? No. It's weak at times. But it's a TV production so I don't expect every episode to be absolutely the highest quality ever. I think it's hard to find any series that perfect. Plus we are blessed with not having to see stock footage over and over and OVER again. *coughs*GS/D*coughs* Wow this ended up being very TL;DR. Sorry people!
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If we cannot quantify Geass as any one particular genre, who does it appeal to? Who would be the "intended audience"? I'm not going to talk about Japan right now since they'll eat up anything; in fact, rarely do I take any Japanese person's opinion on anime seriously since they're less bigoted and more tolerant than those of us in the West (not to be rude, of course, it's just their views are not as releveant to ours because there's less congruence); everyone here is swept up in the "passion of Geass" so this show can do no wrong right now. ...but what about months after the show ends? Are we really going to bait some English-language dubbing corporation into getting this show by a couple month's worth of intensive popularity and then nothing afterward? I've seen vast criticisms of FSN and Utawarerumono now that the shows have ended, from those who followed the series originally and those who joined in after the heat died down; right now, we can't view the show objectively unless we're willing to brainstorm over it. And my brainstorming has lead me to the conclusion that Geass' original plot was just a fascade to sell heavy fan-service. No, not just fan-service in the traditional sense, it's just here to attract Death Note fans, Gundam Seed fans, CLAMP fans, certain voice actor fans, Ouran High Host Club fans, Pizza Hut fans...when I first saw this show and knew nothing about it, I was expecting something bold and unique. Now it's degenerated into an underwhelming, hole-riddled farce with cheesy cliches and stock situations. The intended audience is simultaneously everyone and no one; it's got a little for everyone, but "a lot" for none. Quote:
But at the same time, Star Wars (at least the original trilogy) didn't lose its sense of focus. The universe was still much larger than Luke and his relatively petty and insignificant family affairs, id est, the Rebel Alliance would still have lived on without him and blown up the Death Star without Vader killing Palpatine. While Lelouch is important, now it feels like he's sharing "his thunder" with a host of ants who should have been squashed far earlier. I mean, who really gives a flying fudge about Shirley? We already know she has no chance with Lelouch, and her presence has only aggravated people and sabotaged Lelouch's situation. At the same time, we've been forced to watch Kallen degenerate from a strong, independent young rebel woman with a soft underbelly for family to a "tsundere/MOE" bloody stereotype. God dang it, if there's anything that annoys me more than excessive fanservice it's when a female archetype-challenging character gets forced to rescind her rebellious views and be sorted into a more traditional gender role. It's so...chauvinistic! Quote:
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To clarify, I originally liked Sayoko because she was a pretty maid who worked hard but was fortunate to be employed by kind people who respected her and acknowledged her existence and individuality; she was kind to them in turn, but had no idea of their secret identities. In that, I'd say my tastes are a bit eccentric. Quote:
... But, as I said, because of the complications and in the interest of time, we might be having the "equivalent" of a time-skip in that Lelouch suddenly attains victory over his enemies. From our current perspective and the show's given speed, that seems impossible. There's four episodes left and Lelouch must: 1. Reconcile with the Black Knights. 2. Protect Nunally and his own identity. 3. Deal with Suzaku. 4. Kill/defeat Cornelia/Schnielzel. 5. Undo the damage caused my Euphemia's special zone (three eps). 6. Rally support of all Japan. 7. Gain control of the country. 8. Deciphering the GEASS mystery. I'm seeing the next season as, "now that I've got Japan, Britannia is NEXT!" but I'm having trouble seeing Lelouch accomplishing all eight objectives before series end, else the show end on an "incomplete" note and it start up in season II awkwardly. That just wouldn't feel right or "capsulated/self-contained". |
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2007-03-16, 00:38 | Link #116 | |
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2007-03-16, 00:44 | Link #117 | |
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I'm not at all happy with the screentime these two are getting, although because they are "contributing" to the plot I suppose it is only necessary that they have screentime. It really only detracts from their characters, though I suppose this is how the characters are expected to develop because they are not at Lelouch's level of maturity. But with their increasing screen times as well, there has been less and less growth with Lelouch's character. And everything seems to be at a standstill so far. Not to mention I'm disappointed that everything is taking place only on the Japanese homeland (limits the battlefield too much). If they couldn't advance anything further about Lelouch, they could've done a little more background on matters such as Kaguya, V.V. or C.C., the emperor, Geass, or anything that we really haven't had much to know about that is still vital to the conclusion of this whole series. I know they might want to save it up for Season 2, but then they'd simply be rushing matters once again (as we can see, there were no apparent timeskips in this season, so everything appears to be happening on a daily/weekly basis, and I'm pretty sure Lelouch's rebellion is not going to be resolved in a couple of months). |
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2007-03-16, 00:44 | Link #118 | |
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Mecha has always been more of layered endevours, as there's usually at least a "political machinations" plot thread of some sort in the background. |
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2007-03-16, 00:54 | Link #119 |
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Just as a side note, has anyone else mentioned the reappearance of the girl who Lelouch was using as a Geass test subject? She was still happily marking the wall as Euphie's bodyguards were rushing toward the commotion.
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2007-03-16, 00:58 | Link #120 | |
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I don't see Lelouch obtaining these objectives by the end of season 1 at all. Nor do I think he was ever intended to obtain them by then. I get the distinct feeling the season will end on a cliffhanger. From the spoilers we've seen... Spoiler:
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