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Old 2013-04-15, 03:22   Link #801
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Less abrupt than the manga that had a timeskip to the end of their training rather than the beginning.
Very much less abrupt. But I'm not sure it was a wise idea to fill out some of this stuff so early. The nice thing about the manga is that it gets to the point: Eren in the military fighting giants. There's no time wasted on training arcs and such, which worries me that the anime has deliberately slowed the pace down.

I actually don't mind some of these added details, the intro of the armored titan was awesome compared to the manga, and Armin's grandfather is a nice touch, but the extra bits like the politics, refugee camps, etc., felt forced and drawn out. I especially didn't want to see Eren linger on and on about how much he hated Titans. The added stuff after the boat just made me cheer Mikasa for punching him, because I sure as heck wanted to. His motivation was already clear, there was no need for the director to ramp it up, especially against Armin. And that right there is what really bothered me. What Eren said to Armin was so out of character it was ridiculous. Anime only viewers may not see why (for now), but as a manga reader, it bothered me a lot.

So, overall it wasn't bad, but it was a step down from the first episode. But I'm hesitant about the third and fourth, because I really don't want to see the story waste time on training. Play the montage scene, get to the part where he's officially a soldier. Sheesh.
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Old 2013-04-15, 03:44   Link #802
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The added stuff after the boat just made me cheer Mikasa for punching him, because I sure as heck wanted to.(...)What Eren said to Armin was so out of character it was ridiculous.
Holy cow,now that I've read the manga I just rewatched it and that scene is just...well lets just say even manga Eren would punch anime Eren if he heard him say that

I do like other things the anime did though such as the armored titan scene which is much cooler in the anime than in the manga.

I don't mind a training episode,the whole training arc would get tiring since we'd get no action for a while however getting to know the characters on the fly while battle is raging was something that bothered me a bit in the manga so having one or two episodes to get to know everyone would be cool with me,not to mention they could have fun using it to foreshadow lots of future events.However 3-4 episodes of it might be bothersome.
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Old 2013-04-15, 06:04   Link #803
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Confused about one point in episode 2:

Flashback of Eren and his father. I think it's a flashback given that he woke up with the key. My only issue with saying it's a flashback is how much time has passed for Eren to say something along the lines of "You've been acting strange ever since mom died"?

I'm confused as to how much time has passed since the end of the boat scene (I"M GOING TO KILL THEM GIANTZZZ) to the flashback scene because when he wakes up, he's shocked that they're all begging for food/waiting to get food. It's like that's the first time he has gotten food since he got off the boat.

In other words, it would appear that not much time has passed since he got off the boat. If anything, it feels like only a day has passed. But that would mean his dad would have had to find him (while riding on the horse/carriage) amidst all those people, go crazy on him, give him the key, and bail. But it doesn't make too much sense either given how Mikasa says they didn't see the dad.

Anyway, very very confused about that scene.
Yea, I'm confused about this as well. Judging from Solace's post this whole bread scene & Mikasa punch didn't existed in manga ? I think that may be why it seem odd and doesn't fit together with other scene. If only we jumped from boat scene right to after 250,000 ppl was slaughtered, we wouldn't question where/when/how Elen's dad met him without Mikasa's knowledge.

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I don't know the reference made in these poster-like images you guys keep quoting. Who is the dude with the sword? Which anime is that from?
That would be Gus from Berserk.
One of the most epic dark-fantasy manga ever created.
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I actually don't mind some of these added details, the intro of the armored titan was awesome compared to the manga, and Armin's grandfather is a nice touch, but the extra bits like the politics, refugee camps, etc., felt forced and drawn out. I especially didn't want to see Eren linger on and on about how much he hated Titans. The added stuff after the boat just made me cheer Mikasa for punching him, because I sure as heck wanted to. His motivation was already clear, there was no need for the director to ramp it up, especially against Armin. And that right there is what really bothered me. What Eren said to Armin was so out of character it was ridiculous. Anime only viewers may not see why (for now), but as a manga reader, it bothered me a lot.

So, overall it wasn't bad, but it was a step down from the first episode. But I'm hesitant about the third and fourth, because I really don't want to see the story waste time on training. Play the montage scene, get to the part where he's officially a soldier. Sheesh.
Reading this made me feel lucky I haven't read the manga yet. From non-manga reader perspective, the stuff wasn't so bad. It just make me feel that Elen is very annoying character and cheer Mikasa for knocking some sense into him. So anime's Elen is a bit off from manga's Elen ? While that is ordinary for most anime adaptation, I feel abit sorry for him
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Old 2013-04-15, 06:20   Link #804
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Hmmm... I can imagine that the huge armored Titan is possibly the most horrifying thing any of those remaining humans could ever possibly imagine. Considering how they're all so complacent in living their lives behind the walls, and then suddenly this gigantic armored monster comes right at all of you at ramming speed... well...
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Old 2013-04-15, 06:45   Link #805
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Hmmm... I can imagine that the huge armored Titan is possibly the most horrifying thing any of those remaining humans could ever possibly imagine. Considering how they're all so complacent in living their lives behind the walls, and then suddenly this gigantic armored monster comes right at all of you at ramming speed... well...
The worst thing is that the armored giant is immune to anything human can throw at it.(in both literal and metaphoric sense)
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:08   Link #806
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Very much less abrupt. But I'm not sure it was a wise idea to fill out some of this stuff so early. The nice thing about the manga is that it gets to the point: Eren in the military fighting giants. There's no time wasted on training arcs and such, which worries me that the anime has deliberately slowed the pace down.
It's the opposite for me. It was difficult to keep up with all the new faces amidst all the action during the first few chapters of the manga. Spending a few episodes to introduce everyone in a training arc will only help viewers appreciate what goes on after.
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:11   Link #807
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:27   Link #808
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:37   Link #809
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:51   Link #810
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So the titans are currently free to roam inside the first wall? How big is the area within the first wall?
Yeah, anything between wall Maria and wall Rose is Titan domain now.
As for how big is the area, I don't know if anyone else did the math already, but if we consider the info that were disclosed in EP1 reliable, then the distance between Maria and Rose is 100 km, the one between Rose and Sina is 130 km, and the distance between Sina and the center is 250 km.

Now from EP2 we see that the walls aren't actually perfect circles but they are close enough, so calculating the areas is a matter of simple math.

The whole human settlement prior to the invasion of wall Maria is (100+130+250)^2 * ╥
that makes roughly 723.822 Km^2

To make a comparison the whole Texas is 696,241 km^2 so this gives you a good idea of how big is the land enclosed between the walls. Having mountains, cities, valleys and forests inside isn't farfetched at all and it is indeed enough land to support several thousands of humans along with domesticated animals.

If we take away the area between Maria and Rose we get 453,645 km^2
and by consequence the land lost to Titans is 270,177 km^2, more ore less like the whole New Zealand.

The New Zealand is far from being very populated and it has about 4.5 millions inhabitants.

So in other words The humans in this story should have plenty of land, and it's probably the lack of advanced technology that doesn't allow them to sustain a large population. It was hinted by Hannes that they also have problems with plagues, so they pretty much live in the living conditions that you would expect from a medieval scenario with famines annexed.

Splitting the area further, the land between Sina and Rose is 257,295 km^2 and the remaining land is 196,349 km^2


Now the next obvious question is... just how long are these walls?! Well this is also a matter of simple math...

Wall Maria: 3015 km
Wall Rose: 2387 km
Wall Sina: 1570 km

And these numbers don't consider the walls that enclose the cities at the four gates of each circle.

The Great Wall of China with all of its branches is 21,196 km according to wikipedia, but that's not a good comparison because it's barely five meters tall or even less in some parts, while the walls in Shingeki no Kyojin have a colossal size of 50 meters.

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I actually don't mind some of these added details, the intro of the armored titan was awesome compared to the manga.
It was indeed a nice addition. I actually didn't even know what they were talking about in the manga when later they mention this "armored titan", his introduction is so abrupt and he appears in so few panels that I didn't even realize it was a particular Titan at first.
The anime renders him justice by giving him the screentime he deserves.


PS: Marina Inoue as Armin, I can't help but remembering Kana from Minami-ke when he talks ^^;
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Old 2013-04-15, 08:07   Link #811
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So SnK's OP has become the new earworm much like Drrr's OP once was? I dig it.

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Very much less abrupt. But I'm not sure it was a wise idea to fill out some of this stuff so early. The nice thing about the manga is that it gets to the point: Eren in the military fighting giants. There's no time wasted on training arcs and such, which worries me that the anime has deliberately slowed the pace down.

I actually don't mind some of these added details, the intro of the armored titan was awesome compared to the manga, and Armin's grandfather is a nice touch, but the extra bits like the politics, refugee camps, etc., felt forced and drawn out. I especially didn't want to see Eren linger on and on about how much he hated Titans. The added stuff after the boat just made me cheer Mikasa for punching him, because I sure as heck wanted to. His motivation was already clear, there was no need for the director to ramp it up, especially against Armin. And that right there is what really bothered me. What Eren said to Armin was so out of character it was ridiculous. Anime only viewers may not see why (for now), but as a manga reader, it bothered me a lot.

So, overall it wasn't bad, but it was a step down from the first episode. But I'm hesitant about the third and fourth, because I really don't want to see the story waste time on training. Play the montage scene, get to the part where he's officially a soldier. Sheesh.

About Eren's characterization here, speaking strictly as anime watcher who has no knowledge of manga, I don't really find it an issue in general. In context of what's going right now (loss of his mother, loss of home etc) and his age I think it's natural that his emotions are running high which leads him to sometimes say things he doesn't mean. Even adults are prone to behavior in similar circumstances and remember events are still "raw" for him. Eren's personal loss also helps balance out Mikasa's strange detachment and level-headedness to recent events. Speaking of which, I actually like how she's becoming emotional pillar for him, she let's him grieve but keeps him straight before he goes over the deep end. It's good dynamic to deepen their relationship to each other.

Anyway, what's important now is how Eren grows from here. Is he going to mature in favorably way while still keeping his hotbloodedness intact or is he going to be the guy who still puts his foot in his mouth and needs to be bailed out at every single opportunity? That will determine if it's worth following his character.

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This one is so amazing with the high synchronicity level, without any edits

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Did all new anime OP made with some kind of universal standard?
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Old 2013-04-15, 08:30   Link #815
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Very much less abrupt. But I'm not sure it was a wise idea to fill out some of this stuff so early. The nice thing about the manga is that it gets to the point: Eren in the military fighting giants. There's no time wasted on training arcs and such, which worries me that the anime has deliberately slowed the pace down.

I actually don't mind some of these added details, the intro of the armored titan was awesome compared to the manga, and Armin's grandfather is a nice touch, but the extra bits like the politics, refugee camps, etc., felt forced and drawn out. I especially didn't want to see Eren linger on and on about how much he hated Titans. The added stuff after the boat just made me cheer Mikasa for punching him, because I sure as heck wanted to. His motivation was already clear, there was no need for the director to ramp it up, especially against Armin. And that right there is what really bothered me. What Eren said to Armin was so out of character it was ridiculous. Anime only viewers may not see why (for now), but as a manga reader, it bothered me a lot.

So, overall it wasn't bad, but it was a step down from the first episode. But I'm hesitant about the third and fourth, because I really don't want to see the story waste time on training. Play the montage scene, get to the part where he's officially a soldier. Sheesh.
As a manga reader, I really liked the padded stuff. I like how they're investing a lot already on the characters (probably even more in the next few episodes based on the previews) so that when shit finally gets real, you're even more invested in the characters than how you were in the manga.

Though generally I'm not really a nitpicker when it comes to adaptations since it'll never be exactly the way you want it. Fortunately for Kyojin, it's close as hell to what I wanted and when it's not (at least for me), it's even better than I imagined.
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What the actual....

Did all new anime OP made with some kind of universal standard?
I'll be impressed when somebody manages to sync it with Kimi ni Todoke.
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Old 2013-04-15, 09:51   Link #817
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Practically, I forgot to breath when the wall Maria fall. I can feel the tension and rage felt by Eren. The Eren's seiyuu did a spendid job. He said words with force and rage that was necessary. Shingeki no Kyojin never failed to impress me. By far the most wanted series in this season.


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Old 2013-04-15, 10:14   Link #818
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I hadn't realized how massive the land the humans inhabited was before reading Jan-Poo's post. Thanks for this very informative post.

It seems pretty much impossible the humans managed to build these three walls on their own while under Titan attack. Either they were build a long time before the titans showed up (but why?) or they used to have incredibly advanced technology.
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Old 2013-04-15, 10:42   Link #820
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