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Kairin · 2011-11-17, 01:23

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YayPepsi · 2011-11-17, 12:25

Ouch.

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Kazu-kun · 2011-11-17, 13:21

Ok, Ikuhara went full retard, but somehow I was expecting something like this.

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YayPepsi · 2011-11-17, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

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VictorVV · 2011-11-17, 14:20

A summary by Good Haro :
Part 1
Part 2

Nina.Wolken · 2011-11-17, 14:56

If anime fans ever decide to come up with their own dictionary, I propose the following entry :
Let down : see→ Mawaru Penguindrum ep 19.

That was anticlimactic... at best

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With the exception of the first few minutes that made me go "WTH" however. That also somehow made feel terrible, thinking Tabuki was indeed right. Not in the way he proceed but his motives. I've no idea how I'm supposed to stop the rage every time Kanba shows up on screen now :/.

fertygo · 2011-11-17, 15:00

Ikuhara does it again!

feck this, even with all the preparation that I had to do for my heart.

Tokkan · 2011-11-17, 15:00

RAGE at this episode.

Spoiler for RAGE:

cristichan · 2011-11-17, 15:01

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Kazu-kun · 2011-11-17, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Nina.Wolken

Not in the way he proceed but his motives. I've no idea how I'm supposed to stop the rage every time Kanba shows up on screen now :/.

I think they're just using Kanba. As we have seen, Kanba's faith in them is unbreakable, and until now we were lead to believe it was a good thing that he trusted them so much. Now this may come to bite him in the ass though.

They and Sanetoshi are working together to change the world to what they believe is the "correct path" (complete what they initiated on 1995). Nothing good is going to come of it, of course, and Kanba is ultimately a victim who trusted too much for his own good.

Shouma, I bet, is a key piece in all this. After all what he did shouldn't be possible unless you're "you know who". They probably want to use him in some way or another. He's also a victim of course.

EDIT: PotC: "the penguindrum is your....

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I should have seen it before. I'm such an idiot. lol

faburosumakusu · 2011-11-17, 16:00

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Nina.Wolken · 2011-11-17, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I think they're just using Kanba. As we have seen, Kanba's faith in them is unbreakable, and until now we were lead to believe it was a good thing that he trusted them so much. Now this may come to bite him in the ass though.

I could forgive the 8(?) year old Kanba who didn't want to admit his parents were monsters, but a 16 years old who keep supporting them, emotionally manipulated or not, don't attract any sympathy. He is well aware of all the damage, pain and death they've caused and act as their accomplice. Where I come from the three are bound to receive the same sentence in front of a court.

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

They and Sanetoshi are working together to change the world to what they believe is the "correct path" (complete what they initiated on 1995).

Isn't Kiga group the ones who changed the world (derailed it from fate) and Sanetoshi is working on his side to put it back on trail? I believe Kiga and Sanetoshi have different goals.
Kenzan before to launch the attack said he wanted to put the world at peace.
Sanetoshi is seeking to bring the world back on the right path.

Both are playing God. I trust neither.

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

EDIT: PotC: "the penguindrum is your....

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I should have seen it before. I'm such an idiot. lol

But she said he had it "into him" ._.

Kazu-kun · 2011-11-17, 16:08

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Originally Posted by faburosumakusu

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No I think

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As for Shouma

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Kazu-kun · 2011-11-17, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Nina.Wolken

Isn't Kiga group the ones who changed the world (derailed it from fate) and Sanetoshi is working on his side to put it back on trail? I believe Kiga and Sanetoshi have different goals.
Kenzan before to launch the attack said he wanted to put the world at peace.
Sanetoshi is seeking to bring the world back on the right path. Both are playing God. I trust neither.

No, Kiga and Sanetoshi are the same thing. The little chat between Sanetoshi and Masako on the train in episode 16 left that quite clear. The members of Kiga are the "chosen ones", whom Sanetoshi is using to put the world on "the right track". Whether Kiga knows Sanetoshi is the one controlling them from the shadows, I don't know, but Sanetoshi is their boss, that much is certain.

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Originally Posted by Nina.Wolken

But she said he had it "into him" ._.

No I don't think she said that. IIRC She said "it's your..."

Zaresh · 2011-11-17, 16:36

Hahahahaha... Oh, dude, I knew this was going to happen.

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Nina.Wolken · 2011-11-17, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

No I don't think she said that. IIRC She said "it's your..."

Right. The way she lean over him must have distracted me ^^'

So yes, could well be what you proposed.
But if PotC knew it, why did she repeated now and then through the serie that they had let go of the penguindrum? Especially when the diary was stolen. What was that? Or is the penguindrum a 2 parts thing : diary+designated user?

Kazu-kun · 2011-11-17, 17:41

I'm going to post this here too:

Some thoughts about the idea of a fated one/soulmate:

Spoiler for fated one:

Kirarakim · 2011-11-17, 19:30

Okay unlike a lot of people I loved the content of this episode. I don't understand everything without the subs (although I read the summaries so I am a little more informed than usual).

But it's like no I didn't see any of this coming but if I look back it was all set up well. Not to mention I am not going to judge this turn of events until we see how everything unfolds. This was the start of the final novel, so of course it was going to be a game changer.

And like others I am not worried about my ship Ringo X Shouma at all. I don't think the ending is going to be

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My only disappoint is the ending of the 2nd novel with Ringo & Shouma seems to have come to nothing in the anime (sigh).

As for Kanba

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The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the animation was awful. Character designs were totally off and in at least one scene there was barely any movement

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edit: Nina Wolken, Kanba was 13 not 8 when they found out their parents were terrorists. It happened 3 years prior to the start of the story.

Tyabann · 2011-11-17, 23:02

I'm just laughing because Ikuhara finally did something that I'd actually expect of him and, yup, people are mad about it.

Lota · 2011-11-18, 00:30

Well, I can't understand everything without the subs, but from what I did understand, I completely agree with Kirarakim.

I don't understand why all of you are so disappointed, I found this plot twist kind of amazing, not to mention very very interesting (though not completely unexpected).

I also agree about Kanba being used, at least that's what all of it seems like to me.

Tabuki no baka! I feel so sad for Yuri, when she had finally found the strengh and will to move on, and the best person to do it with, he left her... But I bet he will return. At least that's what I'm hoping for

And the animation really was afwul at times. Reminded me of episode 10 a little

Anyway, waiting for the subs to understand everything.

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2011-11-17, 12:25	Link #2
YayPepsi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Ouch. Spoiler: Definitely not a happy ending for me. There are no words for how discouraged and disappointed I feel with this new developement. But maybe things will get better. It's been a long time since I've felt so crushed by an anime series though. D: __________________

2011-11-17, 13:21	Link #3
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Ok, Ikuhara went full retard, but somehow I was expecting something like this. Spoiler: Ironically, I think with this, the possibility of a ShoumaxRingo ending increases. Yes, I'm serious. I think if the series is about defying fate, then what's better than a pairing that defies fate too. So now I officially ship ShoumaxRingo and KanbaxHimari (just so Himari is out of the way of my RingoxShouma OTP ) __________________ Last edited by Kazu-kun; 2011-11-17 at 14:21.

2011-11-17, 14:56	Link #6
Nina.Wolken ~~N/F~~ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kappas' country.	If anime fans ever decide to come up with their own dictionary, I propose the following entry : Let down : see→ Mawaru Penguindrum ep 19. That was anticlimactic... at best . With the exception of the first few minutes that made me go "WTH" however. That also somehow made feel terrible, thinking Tabuki was indeed right. Not in the way he proceed but his motives. I've no idea how I'm supposed to stop the rage every time Kanba shows up on screen now :/. __________________

2011-11-17, 15:00	Link #7
fertygo Hyakko Fanboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	Ikuhara does it again! feck this, even with all the preparation that I had to do for my heart. __________________

2011-11-17, 14:20	Link #5
VictorVV Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: France	A summary by Good Haro : Part 1 Part 2

2011-11-17, 15:00	Link #8
Tokkan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Age: 35	RAGE at this episode. Spoiler for RAGE: Himari turning out to not be their real sibling fills me with RAGE Shouma being her fated one fills me with RAGE Ikuhara you magnificent troll.

2011-11-17, 15:01	Link #9
cristichan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Spoiler: I haven't words for this episode I believe that it has been worse that I have seen, it did not want to see a himari x shoma. Disappointment

2011-11-17, 16:00	Link #11
faburosumakusu Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Spoiler for himari, mario, masako: So I'm guessing Himari and Mario are siblings? But I can't tell if Masako is their older sister or not.

2011-11-17, 16:36	Link #15
Zaresh Caperucita Roja Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Over the rainbow	Hahahahaha... Oh, dude, I knew this was going to happen. Spoiler: Also, I, too, think this is, if anything, a confirmation of Ringo x Shouma end. Now I remember when I guessed about Shouma being the remains of Momoka... Dude... And poor Kanba. I'm really saddened about him.

2011-11-17, 17:41	Link #17
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	I'm going to post this here too: Some thoughts about the idea of a fated one/soulmate: Spoiler for fated one: Momoka saved Tabuki and Yuri, and both thought that Momoka was their "fated one" because of that. Shouma saved Himari, and much like Tabuki and Yuri, Himari thought Shouma was her "fated one". Shouma saved Ringo, yet, even though Ringo loves Shouma, she never thought of him as her "fated one", not even once. Now the term "fated person" makes me think of princes and princesses, and that reminded me of something Enokido said about the Utena movie: "people who are in love for real would not be chasing after the image of a prince." After reading this, I can't help to think that those who are in love for real wouldn't be chasing after the image of a "fated one" either. Kanba never thought that Himari was fated to be with him (quite the opposite, actually), yet his love seems real to me. The same can be said about Ringo and her feelings for Shouma.... I don't know, it's like all these people who talk about "fated ones" are using this idea to avoid facing reality. Ringo's and Kanba's respective loves seem real to me because they're willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of those they love. Fate has nothing to do with it IMO. __________________ Last edited by Kazu-kun; 2011-11-18 at 03:43.

2011-11-17, 19:30	Link #18
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Okay unlike a lot of people I loved the content of this episode. I don't understand everything without the subs (although I read the summaries so I am a little more informed than usual). But it's like no I didn't see any of this coming but if I look back it was all set up well. Not to mention I am not going to judge this turn of events until we see how everything unfolds. This was the start of the final novel, so of course it was going to be a game changer. And like others I am not worried about my ship Ringo X Shouma at all. I don't think the ending is going to be Spoiler: Himari & Shouma..if it was it would not have been set up like that, trust me. However I love that Shouma is finally shown to be the important one in all this even if he might not realize it My only disappoint is the ending of the 2nd novel with Ringo & Shouma seems to have come to nothing in the anime (sigh). As for Kanba Spoiler: I still think he is redeemable. Yes I think he is being manipulated and he probably was since he was 13. Hence I am not sure if he should know better, since the manipulation was probably happening for some time. If anything I think he has become more interesting to me. I am still not 100% sure whether I think he is related to Masako or not (and if she knows this). Although it does make sense in a lot of ways (they even look alike). But then why the kissing & hunting scene so confused The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the animation was awful. Character designs were totally off and in at least one scene there was barely any movement Spoiler: When Masako & Himari were talking, Penguin 3 and Esmeralda were just completely still, what a waste of the penguins edit: Nina Wolken, Kanba was 13 not 8 when they found out their parents were terrorists. It happened 3 years prior to the start of the story. __________________ Twitter MAL

2011-11-17, 23:02	Link #19
Tyabann Homo Ludens Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Age: 34	I'm just laughing because Ikuhara finally did something that I'd actually expect of him and, yup, people are mad about it.

2011-11-18, 00:30	Link #20
Lota Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 29	Well, I can't understand everything without the subs, but from what I did understand, I completely agree with Kirarakim. I don't understand why all of you are so disappointed, I found this plot twist kind of amazing, not to mention very very interesting (though not completely unexpected). I also agree about Kanba being used, at least that's what all of it seems like to me. Tabuki no baka! I feel so sad for Yuri, when she had finally found the strengh and will to move on, and the best person to do it with, he left her... But I bet he will return. At least that's what I'm hoping for And the animation really was afwul at times. Reminded me of episode 10 a little Anyway, waiting for the subs to understand everything.