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2009-05-03, 13:49 | Link #2462 | |
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2009-05-03, 15:27 | Link #2463 | |
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Based on the following considerations..
1) Self-defense is just but violence with regards to bullying in school is not justified. The term "self-defense" is just too vague. On the contrary, it is true that tons of kids do enroll themselves into self-defense martial arts training places and they are taught that there are times when Buddha himself would be angry and will choose to fight back. Unfortunately.. 2) It depends on how people define self-defense. Seeing so many headlines of mass shootings and suicides, I have to say that self-defense should not occur on school grounds. It occurs to me that lots of people committing wrong violence considers it as self-defense. This also applies to the boy who punched and broke the nose of another recently. Is that legitimate self-defense? I totally do not consider it as such. If a white boy tells a Korean boy "f*cking Chinese" and he breaks his nose. What happens if a white man tells a Korean man the same thing? Will the guy get stabbed or gunned down?? A single negative slur ends up getting a broken nose for exchange is definitely not self-defense. True, the white boy was bullying the kid but he did not deserved a broken nose. The Korean boy should have shouted something mean back, yet he chose violence. It is just like.. A typical case in which an adult punches another adult and gets gunned down, then the case ends up as a racial discrimination one. That doesn't right.. A racist punches a bullied victim and the bullied victim guns down the racist, is this self-defense? 3) Based on the anime Shigofumi, the story of the half-dead person. It appears that every class, there is an unlucky individual who is treated as a stress-releaser meaning that one person in a class will be selected to be bullied on by everyone else. They will poke him on the back with a sharp pencil, put garbage into his backpack, mess up his desk, beat him up whenever they feel like, make him appear as a fool whenever they feel like it, and they might even go as far as pushing him off a school building masking it as a suicide over depression. Once the bullied victim dies, they will choose another individual as a replacement. The teachers usually turn a blind eye, not wanting to get involved as the fact that the consequences may be severe if they do. And when somebody wants to help the bullied victim but gets intimidated by the bullies themselves, they will most likely join the bullies in the sense of fitting in rather than joining the victim of bullying to experience the unpleasant. Its episode 6: Quote:
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2009-05-03, 15:35 | Link #2464 | |
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Actually, now that I think of it, there was a case, in my experience, where telling an adult worked. I got beaten a bit. I told my father. So he went to school, and put the kid on the ground (I think the kid had started a shoving match. But I was small, I don't quite remember.). Told him to leave me alone. And he did. Now that I think about it, we're so lucky it didn't escalate from there. But aside from doing something like that... What can anyone do? Quote:
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2009-05-03, 17:06 | Link #2466 | ||
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However, I do understand your feelings as a past victim of bullying. It certainly does seem like that the only alternative to stop bullying is fighting back but wouldn't it appear like the majority of the people here are promoting the concept of "show the fist to bullies". If the bullies don't physically harm you, is it really okay to fight back? Will there be a chance that the one who fought back end up as the "bad guy"? Is it possible for the one who fought back to become disliked? If there are no alternatives, is the exchange of fighting back to discourage bullying for getting disliked all over a good decision? Is it worth it? I could understand that people are currently studying junior high or high school over in this thread would disagree with me but what about the adults? Would teaching kids to fight back against bullying considered as inappropriate? I do know that many seniors do teach people to fight back against bullies, unless the victims of bullying choose to be a weaklings and cowards. The world is cruel place in which many places tend to give off the impression that it is the survival of the fittest meaning that if there bullies after you, you should fight back and win. Aside from these pretty words and encouragement/motivation to the weak, sometimes I wonder if this is really a good choice of action against bullying. It is also true that people who claims to be victims of bullying tend to get looked down upon. After all, it is widely known throughout the world that only the weak get bullied which is possibly the reason why so many people chooses to be bullies. It is such a pity as to why can't people choose co-existence and peaceful relations. Unfortunately, it seems that regardless of the nation, bullies tend to acting outside laws whereas people who get bullied are never protected. This just means that nothing much can be done unless society is re-structured from the core. |
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2009-05-03, 17:21 | Link #2467 | ||
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I think we're drawing arguments from the wrong contexts. Shadow Minato is very likely to be talking about bullying in the form of verbal violence, in which case physical violence is not an answer, that is true.
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That's where I believe most people draw the line. Hitting people for verbal violence is not very acceptable, and is, in fact, something to walk away from. Confusion gone, hopefully. Quote:
Institution-wise, though, I've had enough sour memories of public schooling. ======================== On to the Supreme Court. It appears that Obama is pressured to pick a woman or a racial minority judge to replace Souter. Personally, I don't see why. It's not like being in a minority makes you liberal (i.e. Thomas). Symbolism has no place in the Supreme Court - the judges have no reason to act the way their minority pleases. Care to enlighten, please, anyone? |
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2009-05-03, 17:36 | Link #2468 | |
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2009-05-03, 17:43 | Link #2469 | |
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It's always best just to try and ignore them... if it's verbal. If it's physical, it's best telling your parents, teacher and also law enforcement especially you are a minority because the school administration won't do anything unless it's school population is diverse. Bullying can easily be solved if you have a good amount of friends, and you are around them. Most cases, bullies won't bother since they mainly go for people who are anti-social or loners (and some deliberately become anti-social or loner for some reason.)
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2009-05-03, 17:54 | Link #2470 | |
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2009-05-03, 18:16 | Link #2472 | |
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Shadow Minato: I admire your stated pacifism and trust in the adult bureaucracy, but...
You know, telling bully victims that they shouldn't fight back no matter what is, in my opinion, a heinous act. These kids are already suffering often severe attacks on their self-esteem and the last thing they need is some know-it-all telling them to back down and bow to the herd. Quote:
Journalists are always looking for sensational stories of grave injustices and muckraking is a time-honored tradition. Be really loud and present your case to the right people and if you're lucky the bureaucracy will be shamed into backing down; heck, you might even change a thing or two in the process. However, usually children cannot do this on their own -- the Canadian town's case is definitely a welcome anomaly in that the kids seem to have taken action into their own hands and completely shamed the adults. First and foremost you usually need an adult who's willing to back you up when some other adults prove that idiocy does not get cured with age. Teachers in real life are not like Onizuka so usually it has to be the parents. In my own experience, my parents pleasantly surprised me in how completely they supported me when I was expecting to be scolded and punished for my run-in with the school administrations. It helped when your parents can tell you straight to do what you need to do to protect yourself and they'll deal with the rest. |
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Being social rejected and staying like that isn't the answer... a child needs to be trained to get out of it and make friends so he/she can overcome bullying. With friends, bullies won't likely bother with you in most cases. People who stay socially rejected have overhanging depression and also can lead to suicide and/or school shootings... This was the case with the Columbine shooting and also the Virginia Tech shooting, which the shooter had a case of bullying in the past.
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2009-05-03, 19:01 | Link #2474 |
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I believe that with bullies, there is always a breaking point that you can reach to get them to stop. Usually, I would say it depends on what is going to shock him the most.
There was this particularly nasty 8th grader who specially picked on me for some reason, and every time I came into contact with him he always said something insulting. I got pretty pissed, and it showed, so he just stepped up his verbal attacks. One day, he and one of his henchmen trapped me in the back seat of the bus, saying they wouldn't let me get off at my stop. I waited for a few minutes until it was my stop (during which the guy was lauding his apparent victory), and then suddenly attacked him, trying to force my way out, and it worked. he tried to restrain me, and the end result was that I escaped, having kicked him twice in the groin and scratched viciously at his neck. His friend looked shocked as well, and did not really participate in the scuffle. Neither the bully nor his friends ever made trouble for me again. The principle at work here is that you must do something that really scares the crap out of your enemy, probably something he didn't suspect could come from you. In my case, I think that he thought I was a weak person, not the type who would be able to not only force his way past someone blocking him, but attack the groin and neck at the same time (At that point, had the circumstance been slightly different, I might've actually dealt him lasting injuries). Indeed, my foe was most likely scared to death. Sure, he thought I was a complete psycho afterwards, but at least I was a psycho not to be bothered. Depending on the bully and what image you present to others, varying levels of actions should be taken to scare off a belligerent. |
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Again all the talk is focusing on the consequences of bullying not the actually problem that allows bullies to maneuver freely in society. You guys are arguing about something that really shouldn't have to be argued if we solve the problem of bullies, and I think this comes down to how society treats those who belittle others, again school is supposed to be a safe place for kids to learn, not fear for their lives that their gonna get harassed and assualted.
Again anecdotal evidence is not the solution to bullies, all it is is an anecdotal story of how one person solved ONE problem with a bully not the plethora of bullies out there... @chikorita... what about those anitsocials? just because they prefer their own company than they should be bullied? We should treat all people with respect even if we disagree with them, but hey I guess I ask too much huh. |
2009-05-03, 22:44 | Link #2476 |
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The thing is Nosauz, bullying happens, it always does. Children will be children and young adults will be children and so on. There'll always be negativety around people, its just how they deal with it (Being unsocial is a bad move, I was mainly like that when I was in elementry school; thus bullying happened, but I loosened up and talked a good more, in fact the "bullies" in ym past have become some of my good friends. Of course that's just my childhood, I'm sure high school bullying never ends as well as that)
We can't really stop bullying, I believe that teachers are going to turn the blind eye (Correct me if I'm wrong Anh) because in reality they can't tell if the person is lying or not (Think about it, who's to stop a person from reporting you for bullying as a form of bullying?), most of the time they got their hands behind their backs unless they see it. It differs for every person really. Unfortunately many stories end badly.
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What happened to my news?
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2009-05-04, 11:47 | Link #2478 | |
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Its been less than 2 weeks since the two Koreas were in a unpleasant circumstance in which North Korea threatens for an apology while intimidating on the usage of missiles and nuclear bombs. And now without the issue being resolved, South Korea saves North Korea from dangerous Somali pirates, just like your typical fairytale of a hero saving a princess from bandits. Unfortunately, North Korea is no princess. That was what I was thinking too.. The thing is that most of the news I heard for the past week are about the swine flu pandemic and that has its own thread. The new flu has became very serious.. A possible pandemic at a rise(60 people dies of Swine flue in Mexico) Its almost as if the swine flu pandemic has become so serious that replaced the North Korea issue. And honestly, I believe that the swine flu pandemic is actually more serious too. |
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2009-05-04, 13:09 | Link #2479 | |
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Influenza A (H1N1) is old news and the rabble-rousing media is already moving on to other topics, such as: Plague of super rats overruns Britain Quote:
For the life of me, I don't know why the above story reminded me immediately of The Secret of Nimh. Must be age — it's making me nostalgic. |
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