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martino · 2006-09-12, 11:33

Whose fansub would you recommend me to get, Shinsen's or Avalon's???

Vexx · 2006-09-12, 11:44

I don't have any particular preference... they both have their up and down moments in translation quality. The more japanese you know the more of an opinion you might have about translation choices (since it is a bit of an artform -- literal vs intent vs cultural). Subbing style is very personal preference. I slightly prefer the font used by Avalon but they're both very readable.

I usually tell people to download a random ep from each candidate group and just judge the subbing from a personal preference.

I like to have all my subs for a series from one group (which causes some consternation when a group drops a project) but some people just grab an episode from whomever subs it first...

I was grabbing Shinsen subs (eps 1-9) but have been grabbing Avalon since ep 10 simply because Shinsen stalled for undoubtedly RL reasons. Shinsen has been catching up recently though.

rooboy · 2006-09-12, 11:58

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Originally Posted by npal

Someone actually disliked Multi???

(Although Akari is my favorite)

A.

Chii will be sad now.

Well, in fairness, Hideki didn't actually have a real live girl who liked him. So it's a slightly different situation.

EDIT: And I'm not that fond of Multi either, but more because of flashbacks to TH~RMM. Whoever the voice actor was, when he'd call out "Multi!" it made the unhappy parts of my brain trigger.

DanielSong39 · 2006-09-12, 14:56

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Originally Posted by rooboy666

Well, in fairness, Hideki didn't actually have a real live girl who liked him. So it's a slightly different situation.

So Yumi doesn't count?

rooboy · 2006-09-12, 15:09

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Originally Posted by DanielSong39

So Yumi doesn't count?

Well, it's off-topic but I think in every versio of Chobits I've ever seen it's quite apparent Yumi actually likes Ueda - not Hideki, so I would safely call that a no.

npal · 2006-09-12, 16:49

I'd put it more like this. She tries to get over Ueda, but Hideki doesn't help much. Well, he and Chii manage to help them solve their problems though

rooboy · 2006-09-12, 17:21

I don't think someone who's hanging around outside your shop is trying to get over you - but whichever, it's readily apparent that the male she actually is in love with is Ueda - not Hideki.

Potatochobit · 2006-09-12, 18:02

Yumi is a bad girl. she was always playing with hideki's feelings. ;__;

Maids! Maids! Maids! · 2006-09-12, 20:25

It's interesting. The season played out for me like an extended introduction with an odd, four episode detour with the twins, Tsun and Dere. We seemed to get something akin to an arc with Konomi,

Spoiler:

The episode I found strangest was 11.

Spoiler:

The episode ends, the next episode (11.5) is a series recap, the two Konomi episodes follow, and the season ends. It just felt like a half season to me, and I'm curious to know what went on behind the scenes when it was decided to go for 14 (counting 11.5) rather than 24 - 26 episodes.

If I were to guess, I'd say the real competition is between Tamaki and Manaka. Konomi x Takaaki, I think, is just a non-starter. At least at this point, they just seem developmentally too far apart. They played her very, very young. Younger than her middle school friends. Now, you could say the same thing about Tamaki x Takaaki, and you would have a point. However, I really think she's one of the great female anime characters. She's a huge (and healthy) fan favorite, I believe for very good reason. She can't be dismissed outright. Heck, she's probably more mature and poised than I am, and I'm more than twice her age.

Now, Manaka is an attractive, bright, and pleasant girl. She hasn't attempted to assault or blackmail Takaaki, nor does she spend her nights feeding stray cats while attempting to communicate with her breathren from another planet. Temperamentally and developmentally, she seems best suited for Takaaki, but we really don't know much about her.

Spoiler:

Which brings me back to my original point. Slice of life fiction, while light on plot, should be strong on character, and several key characters seemed underdeveloped to me. This just seemed like half a slice of life anime. It really screamed for more episodes in the first season, as opposed to a second season. But it ended where it did, and I look forward to a second season. (At least I hope there will be a second season.)

Also, if Tamaki had her own anime, I would watch it.

Shiroth · 2006-09-12, 20:40

It wasen't perfect, but ToHeart2 was a great watch. Character-wise, i've always said that this series has a lot more interesting characters then the first To Heart.. i wouldn't say its just because one of thems a alien (Ruuuuuuu~), but the fact that each one's a character i really wanna see each & everyday.. i just didn't get that from the first patch of characters, well.. maybe from a few of them. ^^;

I must say, adding Yuki into the last episode was damn right genius. Them adding it makes me think she might just appear in the second season (which was announced a while back with a new game). Maybe.. the real romance to the story could pick up.

Anyway, a great series.. one hell of a OST i know i'll always be listening to - and a male lead i knew would be somewhat of a man in the end. :3

Maids! Maids! Maids! · 2006-09-12, 21:36

Maids! Maids! Maids! · 2006-09-12, 22:15

All together now...

rooboy · 2006-09-12, 22:51

13 is the last episode, correct?

I only ask because I just watched it and I keep thinking there's another one afterwards.

EDIT: And Tama-nee doing the \o/ Ruu pose is criminal.

Potatochobit · 2006-09-13, 00:17

yes i think it was the last one.
Manaka is actually a very very busy person.
i doubt there will be a second season.
personally, i didnt like them throwing in yuki like that. it felt like we got 5 mins of screen time before the series
is over and we forgot to add the last girl!

you forgot one of my favorite pictures

Cloudnine · 2006-09-13, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I must say, adding Yuki into the last episode was damn right genius. Them adding it makes me think she might just appear in the second season (which was announced a while back with a new game). Maybe.. the real romance to the story could pick up.

Being a Yuuki fan, I really hated how they handled that scene since they cut out the most important and heartwarming part of that flashback...

Spoiler:

It's just really sad to how this anime turned out in the end. It had so much potential in becoming a hit with it's massive fanbase, yet flopped due to lackluster animation production and scripting.

It's on par with Negima as the worst adaptation, imo. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

/end venting

Vexx · 2006-09-13, 00:59

How..... odd. This *screams* try it again with a company with more clues I think. Since I've never played the game (nor seen the first To Heart), I'll kind of comment on it as it is --- it seems like a big set up for 13 more episodes that aren't going to happen. The animation seemed pedestrian but then I've been watching too much KyoAni so I'd have to cut it some slack. The scripting seemed "off" in that Takaki seemed to often not really *be* there.... nothing behind the eyes sometimes. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about the skill set of anime adaption writers. Unlike the well-defined females... the anime writers have to actually work a little bit to create a believable guy -- and often he ends up seeming a bit flat or dullard. Well.. he wasn't *terrible* so B- on the scripting I guess.
I'm rambling a bit... but it just seems like the series is half done. Outside of that, it was an entertaining watch, rather pleasant overall.

@rooboy: "EDIT: And Tama-nee doing the \o/ Ruu pose is criminal."

but it certainly might attract the aliens, I betcha....

Sailor Enlil · 2006-09-13, 06:34

In a matter of speaking, it is "half-done",because if this link is what I think it is, there's a 2nd season in the works along with a sequel game.

Shiroth · 2006-09-13, 07:22

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Originally Posted by rooboy666

And Tama-nee doing the \o/ Ruu pose is criminal.

You know - you're right.. it just doesn't work at all. ;_;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potatochobit

personally, i didnt like them throwing in yuki like that. it felt like we got 5 mins of screen time before the series
is over and we forgot to add the last girl!

It wasen't like that, she was needed for the story. Of course there's a hell of a lot more to do her character, but like i said, bringing her into the last episode could easily show her apperence in the new series.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Enlil

In a matter of speaking, it is "half-done",because if this link is what I think it is, there's a 2nd season in the works along with a sequel game.

Yep, thats what i mentioned.

rooboy · 2006-09-13, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

You know - you're right.. it just doesn't work at all. ;_;

No no, it works just fine for me.

Shiroth · 2006-09-13, 08:48

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Originally Posted by rooboy666

No no, it works just fine for me.

I don't know.. i'm only one for Sango & Ruu doing it. ^^;

2006-09-12, 11:33	Link #201
martino makes no files now Join Date: May 2006	Whose fansub would you recommend me to get, Shinsen's or Avalon's??? __________________ "Light and shadow don't battle each other, because they're two sides of the same coin"

2006-09-12, 11:44	Link #202
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I don't have any particular preference... they both have their up and down moments in translation quality. The more japanese you know the more of an opinion you might have about translation choices (since it is a bit of an artform -- literal vs intent vs cultural). Subbing style is very personal preference. I slightly prefer the font used by Avalon but they're both very readable. I usually tell people to download a random ep from each candidate group and just judge the subbing from a personal preference. I like to have all my subs for a series from one group (which causes some consternation when a group drops a project) but some people just grab an episode from whomever subs it first... I was grabbing Shinsen subs (eps 1-9) but have been grabbing Avalon since ep 10 simply because Shinsen stalled for undoubtedly RL reasons. Shinsen has been catching up recently though. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-09-12, 16:49	Link #206
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	I'd put it more like this. She tries to get over Ueda, but Hideki doesn't help much. Well, he and Chii manage to help them solve their problems though __________________

2006-09-12, 20:25	Link #209
Maids! Maids! Maids! Tsuruya Cultist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA	It's interesting. The season played out for me like an extended introduction with an odd, four episode detour with the twins, Tsun and Dere. We seemed to get something akin to an arc with Konomi, Spoiler: and I assume she's eliminated as a potential romantic partner, or maybe we're just back to square one. The episode I found strangest was 11. Spoiler: Tamaki checks out and invites all the girls to a tea party, and at the event, seems to stake her claim on Takaaki. The episode ends, the next episode (11.5) is a series recap, the two Konomi episodes follow, and the season ends. It just felt like a half season to me, and I'm curious to know what went on behind the scenes when it was decided to go for 14 (counting 11.5) rather than 24 - 26 episodes. If I were to guess, I'd say the real competition is between Tamaki and Manaka. Konomi x Takaaki, I think, is just a non-starter. At least at this point, they just seem developmentally too far apart. They played her very, very young. Younger than her middle school friends. Now, you could say the same thing about Tamaki x Takaaki, and you would have a point. However, I really think she's one of the great female anime characters. She's a huge (and healthy) fan favorite, I believe for very good reason. She can't be dismissed outright. Heck, she's probably more mature and poised than I am, and I'm more than twice her age. Now, Manaka is an attractive, bright, and pleasant girl. She hasn't attempted to assault or blackmail Takaaki, nor does she spend her nights feeding stray cats while attempting to communicate with her breathren from another planet. Temperamentally and developmentally, she seems best suited for Takaaki, but we really don't know much about her. Spoiler: It's interesting. In the recap episode, Tamaki (as narrator) seemed to say that Takaaki and Manaka were similar. Which brings me back to my original point. Slice of life fiction, while light on plot, should be strong on character, and several key characters seemed underdeveloped to me. This just seemed like half a slice of life anime. It really screamed for more episodes in the first season, as opposed to a second season. But it ended where it did, and I look forward to a second season. (At least I hope there will be a second season.) Also, if Tamaki had her own anime, I would watch it.

2006-09-12, 20:40	Link #210
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	It wasen't perfect, but ToHeart2 was a great watch. Character-wise, i've always said that this series has a lot more interesting characters then the first To Heart.. i wouldn't say its just because one of thems a alien (Ruuuuuuu~), but the fact that each one's a character i really wanna see each & everyday.. i just didn't get that from the first patch of characters, well.. maybe from a few of them. ^^; I must say, adding Yuki into the last episode was damn right genius. Them adding it makes me think she might just appear in the second season (which was announced a while back with a new game). Maybe.. the real romance to the story could pick up. Anyway, a great series.. one hell of a OST i know i'll always be listening to - and a male lead i knew would be somewhat of a man in the end. :3 __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-09-12, 17:21	Link #207
rooboy Umeboshi! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tejas Age: 48	I don't think someone who's hanging around outside your shop is trying to get over you - but whichever, it's readily apparent that the male she actually is in love with is Ueda - not Hideki.

2006-09-12, 18:02	Link #208
Potatochobit Certified Organic Join Date: Dec 2005	Yumi is a bad girl. she was always playing with hideki's feelings. ;__;

2006-09-12, 21:36	Link #211
Maids! Maids! Maids! Tsuruya Cultist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA

2006-09-12, 22:15	Link #212
Maids! Maids! Maids! Tsuruya Cultist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA	\o/ Ruuuuuuuuuuu All together now...

2006-09-12, 22:51	Link #213
rooboy Umeboshi! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tejas Age: 48	13 is the last episode, correct? I only ask because I just watched it and I keep thinking there's another one afterwards. EDIT: And Tama-nee doing the \o/ Ruu pose is criminal.

2006-09-13, 00:17	Link #214
Potatochobit Certified Organic Join Date: Dec 2005	yes i think it was the last one. Manaka is actually a very very busy person. i doubt there will be a second season. personally, i didnt like them throwing in yuki like that. it felt like we got 5 mins of screen time before the series is over and we forgot to add the last girl! you forgot one of my favorite pictures

2006-09-13, 00:59	Link #216
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	How..... odd. This screams try it again with a company with more clues I think. Since I've never played the game (nor seen the first To Heart), I'll kind of comment on it as it is --- it seems like a big set up for 13 more episodes that aren't going to happen. The animation seemed pedestrian but then I've been watching too much KyoAni so I'd have to cut it some slack. The scripting seemed "off" in that Takaki seemed to often not really be there.... nothing behind the eyes sometimes. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about the skill set of anime adaption writers. Unlike the well-defined females... the anime writers have to actually work a little bit to create a believable guy -- and often he ends up seeming a bit flat or dullard. Well.. he wasn't terrible so B- on the scripting I guess. I'm rambling a bit... but it just seems like the series is half done. Outside of that, it was an entertaining watch, rather pleasant overall. @rooboy: "EDIT: And Tama-nee doing the \o/ Ruu pose is criminal." but it certainly might attract the aliens, I betcha.... __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories! Last edited by Vexx; 2006-09-13 at 01:43.

2006-09-13, 06:34	Link #217
Sailor Enlil GWAAAA! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Philippines	In a matter of speaking, it is "half-done",because if this link is what I think it is, there's a 2nd season in the works along with a sequel game.