2013-04-09, 09:24 | Link #2961 |
Professor Lech
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Somewhere in Asia
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Yeah, about that. I may have exaggerated a bit. But she is recognized as a great mage by most characters in the current timeline. If we are to believe Einhart, who was describing her based from Klaus' memories, then it still stands that she was the best fighter of her time.
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2013-04-09, 09:33 | Link #2962 |
The Hawk
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Berlin, Fatherland
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As far as I'm concerned, Nanoha can't be the most powerful mage of her time if the TSAB knows mage ranks above hers in the first place.
Consider the fact that a dying clone of Zest was roughly equal in strength to Signum, who herself is at least equal to Nanoha (excluding her Agito and Nanoha's Blaster-3), and yet Zest wasn't particularly hyped or legendary. However, Ancient Belka was a wartorn era that lasted for god knows how many years and if I'm not mistaken it was a time where strength was considered very important. In such a time Olivie and Claus' power stood out so much that they became the stuff of legends. Einhart mentions that Olivie's power was considered "second to none" in combat, multiple times. I find it hard to believe that Nanoha is supposed to be on their level. Nanoha is strong and all, but I doubt she can be considered the strongest of her era. I'm sure there are powerful mages like Precia (cross-dimensional, ship-disabling thunderbolts, anyone?) lurking everywhere. That we never met those is a different matter, possibly to avoid a sorting algorithim of villain strength. So far, Reinforce was the strongest being ever shown and I'm confident she could still wreck adult, full strength Nanoha. ...Which makes me wonder how Reinforce vs. Olivie would go.
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2013-04-09, 09:42 | Link #2963 |
The Flame Crussader
Join Date: Aug 2009
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You're forgetting something, Nanoha was in the need to use a deadly upgrade just to be able to keep up with Vivio who hast just been argumented to be less skilled and powerfull than the real Olivie, then Nanoha was in the need to capture her within her strongest bind that Vivio already started to break in order to use a desperately ultimate attack ...the effort of said fight almost costed her a permanent reduction of her power.
So yeah, it's possible the real Olivie can handle Nanoha and almost everyone else in RF6 by default. EDIT: Jusy being a bit picky, Yuri Evelwin (aka. U-D) is the strongest being in the franchise to date and more likely able to erase both Reinforce and Olivie from the map xDU
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2013-04-09, 10:51 | Link #2964 | ||||||
Adeptus Animus
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Age: 36
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So far, we haven't exactly seen any mages who's power surpasses the main cast. Sure, there's some who are on their level (hence "one of the strongest" and not "the strongest") but surpassing them? Not yet. Quote:
But Zest really wasn't. Not by the time of StrikerS at least. He was using a self-destructive boost technique just to break even with Signum. Quote:
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Different parameters. I agree that an Olivie with Cradle-powered infinite superpowered magic would juggle Nanoha no problem. |
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2013-04-09, 13:28 | Link #2966 | |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 33
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You see I can’t just buy this crap, because is crap. Instead of playing with what they have they from this weird idea and even worse approach to the entire Ancient Belka thing. Ok, that is my personal interpretation of the facts, but it is still something I see as not good. The circular argument starts when what I think is being question because it seems like it can’t be more than one way of interpretation of the facts. There is when I don’t settle down.
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2013-04-09, 15:11 | Link #2968 |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 33
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Yes, but if we go on the debate of semantics we will be here all week. In this case is just a word I use to illustrate the point. And you yourself notice how this retcons are in place just to give this story an “arc” about Vivio that can’t even keep its focus on her. Now you see the results as fine despite the flaws, Keroko, but I don’t and there is when we can say it falls to personal taste and interpretation. I don’t mind these elements as much as I mind the poor use of them. Hey I will criticize this decisions as my way of nitpick but here it goes beyond just that. There was story and so much content and in the end ViVid falls flat with really lazy writing. So really all of this is, to be honest, a feeling of disappoint. ViVid could be better if they just put some effort in to it to rise from the low bar they have settle for the quality of their stories. And not to say this is the stuff of epic novels but at least something watchable or enjoyable.
But to get back on the point: Vivio and Olivie have a strange relationship to put it someway. And that fact along could have drive an entire character center manga. Hey, I know this should have magic explosions and fights but nothing is going to be lost if we just add substance to this.
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2013-04-09, 15:26 | Link #2969 |
Adeptus Animus
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Age: 36
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The point I'm making with my legends analogy is that it means whatever the church keeps blabering about when it comes to Olivie is not factual. It's merely what they believe. This allows the retcons to make sense.
That's the difference: The story makes sense. I just don't like the Vivio retcon. First one is story events, second is opinion on them. You really need to learn to separate the two Sansker. |
2013-04-09, 16:21 | Link #2972 |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
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Well, yes and no there, Keroko. Story events and opinion are two different things but one can’t be without the other. You can’t have an opinion without the story events and this will always generate an opinion.
Besides with that logic it means they can do what they want because they never bother explaining anything. That is not the stuff of a good story, so when the excuse is “the back story is so obscure we can make it in what we need” I will always look at this carefully.
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2013-04-09, 16:58 | Link #2974 |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
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I am not saying they aren’t, I am saying I don’t like it. To be fair, the last battle with Einhard and Sieg was the best of any of them, but only when compare to the others. But I will have to hear the actual story, to see if my feeling about it right now is going to change. So far is not going to a good end as far as I am concern.
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2013-04-09, 17:06 | Link #2976 |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Costa Rica
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I like the franchise; I dislike it latest incarnations in manga. That is a very different thing. So far I haven’t hear or see anything that is making me change my mind other than the fact that I should change my mind because you think is what I should do.
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2013-04-09, 17:08 | Link #2977 |
Goat Herder
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Age: 36
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If you like the franchise, then why are you constantly condemning nearly every aspect of it? 95% of the points you bring up is something you hate about the franchise, so forgive me for not believing a damn thing you say about liking it. Every time we explain your mistaken reasoning behind some of the points you hate, you throw it back in our faces.
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2013-04-09, 17:22 | Link #2978 |
Manus ad Ferrum
Join Date: Dec 2012
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Because, as far as I know, ViVid is a bad manga. I like some, and I mean a few, of its ideas but that is it. Here there is little to like, little to do and much more to criticize rather than just nod and take it. Is not my fault the series has gone in to such a low state these days. When this thing does something better I will be willing to like it.
And again we go with my mistaken reasoning. Just because you don’t agree means is a mistake. You like this, is fine, and you have your reasons, what I say is that those reasons doesn’t apply to me for my own reasons. However I am not willing to be call “wrong” on that just because you disagree with it.
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